Let’s recap tonight’s titanic struggle….

FINAL
Arizona 5
Cincinnati 7

WP: Maloney (1-2)
LP: Saunders (2-6)
Save: Bruce (1)
BOX SCORE

POSITIVES
–Jay Bruce saved the game by robbing a homer that would have tied the game in the bottom of the ninth. Is there anything Jay Bruce can’t do?

–I wrote a fairly long, well-thought out post three days ago, stumping for Paul Janish to be the primary shortstop rather than Orlando Cabrera. It had all kinds of cool stats, like WAR and wOBA and more. I had planned to post it early this week.

Since I composed that post, Orlando Cabrera has been on fire. Tonight, Cabrera had three doubles in four ABs, and he scored three runs. That post may never see the light of day.

–Speaking of hot, Drew Stubbs had another good day: 2-3 with a walk, and 2 RBI. Stubbs also launched a homer into the upper deck in the first. It was a moon shot. Love that kid.

–Outstanding work by the bullpen, with one notable exception. Bill Bray, Matt Maloney, Nick Masset, and Aroldis Chapman were very good, and the Reds needed it after Homer Bailey was unable to go past the third inning.

–Jonny Gomes had two hits, two runs, and two RBI. One of the hits was … wait for it … a triple!

NEGATIVES
–Francisco Cordero. Sigh….

–For the love of all that is good and pure, Dusty Baker, give Brandon Phillips (0-4 again tonight) a few games off.

NOT-SO-RANDOM THOUGHTS
–Magic number: 11. If the Cardinals end up losing again to the stupid Cubs (and that’s looking likely), that magic number will drop to 10, and the Reds will lead the division by 8 games. Wow.

–Now is the time to let Aroldis Chapman close out games. We can’t afford to let Cordero blow important games the rest of this season. Free Aroldis Chapman.

–I’m worried about Homer Bailey. He wasn’t right for most of the night, and it was clear that something was bothering him. I look forward to hearing what was wrong.

–He has stunk at the plate for most of the season, and I still think Janish gives the Reds a better chance to win…but I can’t deny that I kinda like Orlando Cabrera. Not because of his play — although he played well tonight — but mostly because he just seems like a good guy. He is having fun, he plays as hard as he can, and he’s just likeable.

(Just because I like a guy, however, that isn’t a statement on their playing abilities. Heck, Janish and Gomes are two of my favorite guys on this team, and Gomes has been just terrible.)

–I’ve never seen a team that had a chance to make the playoffs quit like the Cardinals have. I love it.

–Good grief, what a fun season.

78 Responses

  1. LVW

    Magic number at 10. When the magic number gets down to 1 think Fred Hutchinson, manager of the 1961 NL champion Reds.

    • Y-City Jim

      Magic number at 10. When the magic number gets down to 1 think Fred Hutchinson, manager of the 1961 NL champion Reds.

      Nice thought, LVW! 😀

    • pinson343

      Magic number at 10. When the magic number gets down to 1 think Fred Hutchinson, manager of the 1961 NL champion Reds.

      Good thought, LVW. Hutch is my all-time favorite Reds manager. When he passed away at a young age, a LOT of people were very upset.

  2. Steve

    I seriously did laugh out loud at — Save: Bruce (1)

    From where I was standing, I couldn’t see Bruce’s play in the ninth. It was very cool watching the reaction — the insane reaction — of the fans in the RF bleachers who could see it, though.

    Homer looked sick (in the old fashioned, not so good way) tonight. Kind of like he had the flu or something. The ball wasn’t jumping from his hand.

    The radar gun at the stadium was broken tonight, so couldn’t tell how hard anyone was throwing, but my guess is that Homer was below normal.

    Without the pitch speed being shown, the excitement of watching Chapman (first time in person for me) was a little bit reduced.

    Nice win for the team overall. Drew Stubbs is becoming a solid ballplayer in just his first year as a major league player.

  3. TheNatural

    @Steve: Homer did indeed look like he had the flu. That would make sense with the dizziness and having a sore neck. He also looked quite more pale and hollow in the face than he normally does. Homer sat around 89-91 with his fastball, and I think just once or twice I saw him hit 92. In the bottom of the 8th, though, Thom mentioned that the TV radar gun was registering 2-3 mph slower than all of the scouts’ guns. This makes sense due to Chapman sitting 97-98 tonight with his fastball and hitting 100-101 only two or three times. Masset was also only hitting 93-94.

  4. Steve

    Kind of sucks that the Reds may clinch the division on the road. The WLB may not win another game.

    • vermilion red

      Notice anything new in the left sidebar?

      Yeah, that girl is still wearing that Schottzie t-shirt.
      A couple thoughts after seeing some highlights (didn’t see the game). I actually thought that was a pretty good pitch to LaRoche to end the game: 320-foot fly ball with arms not extended. I’ll take more inside fastballs.
      Dusty certainly did the right thing putting in Bruce for defense. I think many of his moves have worked very well this year.
      Drew Stubbs sure lets a lot of catchable baseballs drop. I think he’ll improve with time.

    • Y-City Jim

      Notice anything new in the left sidebar?

      Cool!!!

    • RiverCity Redleg

      Notice anything new in the left sidebar?

      I love the “Magic Number”, but for a second there I thought you brought the “Loyal Citizens” list back. 😀

  5. pinson343

    Chad, glad that you’re at least finding Cabrera likable now. I’ve liked him all season, for “the way he plays the game”, as they say. The guy’s a warrior, and as a warrior, he loves playing and he relishes winning, beating down the other team.

    He’s not the hitter he used to be, but still a pretty good one. I’m a fan of Janish too, hope he’s our starting SS next year. I feel OC and Janish both have something to bring to the table.

    I hope Dusty’s not back into playing OC every day more. That would be bad for both players and the team.
    I expect Janish to be in tomorrow, I’ll be disappointed if he’s not.

  6. Dave Lowenthal

    Cordero’s save percentage is 81.8%, after tonite.

    He is below: Wilson, Bell, Marmol, Capps, K-Rod, Franklin, Axford, and Street.
    He is above: Broxton, Dotel, Lindstrom, Wagner, and Nunez.
    He is essentially tied with Lidge.

    This is taking all relievers with 19 or more saves. If you cut off at 16, Lyon is better, if you cut off at 20, Street drops off.

    So even if you cut off at 20, 6 stoppers have a better save percentage, and 5 are worse. It’s 8 better, 5 worse if you cut off at 16.

    It’s true that Cordero has a *lot* of saves, and I really can’t say where all of the above guys would be if they all had 44 save opps. But nonetheless, the facts do not support Cordero as “good”, or even “average”, if you go by the poor-quality stat of save percentage.

    In everything else (all other stats), Cordero sucks. Even his supporters essentially admit he’s no good at, say, stopping guys from getting on base, or not walking people.

  7. pinson343

    @vermilion red: Agree with you about liking the inside fastballs, I was talking about that on the game thread. The first one caught LaRoche so by surprise that he just looked at it.

    I give credit to Hanigan for that, because I don’t see it happening when Hernandez is catching.

  8. Dave Lowenthal

    Cabrera is showing that he should be a part time player. Why can’t they rotate Janish and Cabrera, as most people here have suggested all year?

    Man, Stubbs HR was a bomb, I heard it on DBacks radio driving home, and the announcer did say, here’s the pitch, 4-0. that was it.

    • pinson343

      Why can’t they rotate Janish and Cabrera, as most people here have suggested all year?

      Dave L; That would be best. But Dusty believes in a “set” lineup.

  9. Dave Lowenthal

    @vermilion red: I really thought he could have caught that double by Montero. He really doesn’t seem to run hard, but I know he is running hard.

  10. pinson343

    The girl is not only wearing a Schottzie tee shirt, it’s a Donkey tee. So Chad must like it.

    Speaking of the Big Donkey, one of his 2 HRs last nite nearly went 500 feet.

    • Y-City Jim

      The girl is not only wearing a Schottzie tee shirt, it’s a Donkey tee.So Chad must like it.
      Speaking of the Big Donkey, one of his 2 HRs last nite nearly went 500 feet.

      478 feet. I miss the ol’ Donkey. I know Marty does, too. 😆

  11. Dave Lowenthal

    Re: Hanigan catching Cordero, why is everyone so big on that…cordero only has one pitch. What exactly is Hanigan doing?

    I didn’t see anything but fastballs tonite. I suppose there is location…but that alone doesn’t make for a great called game, I wouldn’t think.

  12. DevilsAdvocate

    Good point on Cabrera being a good guy. I really root for Janish and continue to believe that he’s the superior option at SS, but Cabrera has certainly made an impression on the media figures with the team, which has to mean he’s been a good clubhouse guy too. Impossible to quantify, but some kind of magic has resulted in an overachieving team.

    And honestly, if Cabrera had hit even a little bit like he has been in the past week-plus, there would be no debate at all and Orlando would deserve to be a fixture in the lineup. It really is glaringly obvious (to everyone but Dusty, I guess) that a rested Cabrera is a pretty good player.

    One thing I noticed after Joey Votto’s game-ending homer the other night: in the ensuing celebration, Votto made a point to give high fives to as many players as he could, except for Cabrera. Cabrera got a hug. I liked that, like he’s an elder-statesman kind of leader.

  13. OhioJim

    So, assuming the Birds don’t pull it together for at least some semblance of a run at the Reds, is this finally the year when Mr Baseball LaRussa goes away? And for once I think some of the onus even has to go onto Dave Duncan. Tonight it was Carpenter that gave up the ghost. The former “big three” of their starting rotation are simply used up at this point. As I said last night they have been used too deep into games too often on the one hand; and on the other brought back too often on short rest.

    With the Padres into StLouis next, the wheels could fall all the way off.

  14. Dave Lowenthal

    @OhioJim: Again, the big three have pitched only on either 4, 5, or 6 days rest. You are incorrect to continue to push the idea that they have been brought back on short rest.

    Baseball Reference has their splits, including days rest.

  15. Fireball

    How long before we start seeing F******** C****** in these game recaps 😉

    • vermilion red

      How long before we start seeing F******** C****** in these game recaps

      Fergusson College of Pune, India?

  16. Dave Lowenthal

    @Fireball: As soon as Chad delegates the game recap to me. I’m certain that will happen soon.

  17. pinson343

    @DevilsAdvocate: Very observant about the Votto/Cabrera hug. As far as I can tell, the players have a huge respect him.

    If managed properly (given enough rest), I believe OC (and Janish) would both be having good seasons.

  18. pinson343

    @Dave Lowenthal: Apparently Cordero had no slider at all tonite, so that certainly reduced Hanigan’s options.
    The difference is that Hanigan calls for inside pitches, and also more variation with respect to the height of the pitches.

    With Hernandez catching, it’s nothing but low and outside. I don’t have the Cordero stats breakdown for the two catchers, except 7 out of 8 of the blown saves have been with Ramon catching.

    On a related topic, where the catcher sets his target, and how he frames the pitches, does matter. Arroyo won’t even pitch to Hernandez.

    • Bill Lack

      ReplyRep

      @Dave Lowenthal: Apparently Cordero had no slider at all tonite, so that certainly reduced Hanigan’s options.
      The difference is that Hanigan calls for inside pitches, and also more variation with respect to the height of the pitches.With Hernandez catching, it’s nothing but low and outside. I don’t have the Cordero stats breakdown for the two catchers, except 7 out of 8 of the blown saves have been with Ramon catching.

      I think I posted that the other day..here it is, posted Monday (I believe) on Lance’s blog:

      Francisco Cordero stats by Catcher:
      R Hanigan: 1.88 ERA .198 batting avg against in 28.2 innings
      Hernandez: 6.59 ERA .303 batting avg against in 27.1 innings

      Now, there’s a lot of variable here, but there it is…

      I didn’t see it last night, but my wife said that at one point, Homer and the ump were having a “discussion”..and Hanigan popped right up and got in between them and went out to talk to Homer…good leadership by Hanigan.

      On Homer last night, during the game Chris was saying he was suffering from a stiff neck before the game, then when he came out, he said he was lightheaded…after the game, Homer said he was a little dizzy and had a really bad headache.

  19. Dave Lowenthal

    @pinson343: I can believe the target, and I can believe framing, but is there any proof that framing matters?

  20. pinson343

    @Dave Lowenthal: As usual with baseball lore, no proof, just anecdotes. The “experts” saying that a pitcher got a strike called (maybe) because of how it was framed, etc.

    It is true of course that pitchers do have a preference for who catches them. I don’t know how often “framing” is a factor.

    For a given season, I’ve often seen stats for a team’s staff doing better with this catcher than that catcher. But I haven’t seen a serious study of the catcher’s significance.

    • mike

      For a given season, I’ve often seen stats for a team’s staff doing better with this catcher than that catcher. But I haven’t seen a serious study of the catcher’s significance.

      the only study I’ve seen relevant is that the idea of “pitch calling” is bogus.
      I’ve heard a million times how a catcher “called a good game”….a series study of catchers last year showed that the idea was complete junk.

      my thoughts were the same as the authors. Most pitches are called from the bench and/or from scouting reports studied by the pitchers/catchers/coaches that the catcher calling a game was bunk

      I have never been a huge fan of CERA but with the difference between how almost EVERY Reds pitcher has performed with Hernandez vs Hanigan over the last 2 years there has got to be SOMETHING going on. The difference in performance is massive and uniform. So what the @#%@#$% is it?

  21. pinson343

    Just saw the game hilite on espn. Maybe Homer was bothered (“bugged”) by the May fly attack.

  22. pinson343

    A quote from Cordero; “That save should be given to Bruce.”

    We know that, CoCo, we said so on the game thread.

  23. pinson343

    Watching Bruce’s game ending catch was fun. He had the ball tracked the whole way, he didn’t have to run full speed. The whole thing was timing his leap, which he did perfectly.

    It wasn’t a bad pitch to LaRoche, in terms of location. He couldn’t extend his arms but put a big uppercut swing on it, trying to loft it over the fence. Almost worked.

  24. mike

    @pinson343: I have to give props to CoCo. When he was walking a ton of guys he said straight up “I can’t BB guys like that” and in this case when he almost blew the game he again stepped up and said the truth…..He gets series credit for not only understanding what’s going on but for standing up to it, admitting it and being a team player. I’m not going to knock him for that. I give him big props for that.

  25. pinson343

    Gomes made a nice leaping catch off LaRoche. He really had to leap, and had to time it right.

    If he did some fundamental things better, like making throws that can be cut off, he wouldn’t be a bad defensive OFer.

  26. pinson343

    Has anyone noticed how getting hit by a pitch has been a part of several of our late rallies in this homestand ?

    Has one of the coaches taught the hitters how to take a pitch in the side without getting hurt ?

  27. pinson343

    @mike: You’re right about CoCo’s statement and his attitude toward the team. I used it to be sarcastic, but I give him credit for it too.

  28. pinson343

    PS CoCo is a standup guy. I’m rooting for him.

  29. pinson343

    @mike: I didn’t know there was such a big difference between Hanigan and Hernandez this year. I knew there was last year.

    Two years would make for a pretty significant sample size.

    There have been rumors that pitchers like Bailey and Leake prefer Hanigan. In Arroyo’s case, of course, he comes right out and says it.

  30. mike

    @pinson343: I got the feeling that is what you felt and I feel the same way
    Dusty has made it clear and with absolutely no wavering that he’s the closer.
    I’m pulling for him as well.

    and to boil it down to the idea of chapman being the closer vs cordero I’m not even sure if I was manager I could do that.
    a young, rookie, with less than 1 year of big league experience who often has trouble throwing strikes
    vs
    a veteran who has lost a little and is now you’re average closer

    of course I’d do bullpen by committee but we know what the peanut gallery things of things like that. HERESY! bla bla bla…dime store psychology…bla bla…roles in the bullpen.

    with CoCo, Rhodes, Chapman, Masset and Bray there should NEVER be an issue in the 9th.

    • pinson343

      Of course I’d do bullpen by committee but we know what the peanut gallery things of things like that. HERESY! bla bla bla…dime store psychology…bla bla…roles in the bullpen.with CoCo, Rhodes, Chapman, Masset and Bray there should NEVER be an issue in the 9th.

      Mike: Right on, you’ve nailed it. And Dusty could make this change without upsetting things too much by sitting down with Cordero and telling him that he’s still the CLOSER, still the MAN, but in the 9th inning we need for the team’s sake to utilize our deep bullpen and go sometimes with match ups.

      Dusty has the people skills and the players love him so he could manage this adjustment without messing up chemistry or anyone’s head.

      The problem is, he won’t do it because he believes so strongly in well-defined roles: the closer is a role on the team, and CoCo’s job is that role, period.

  31. pinson343

    @Bill Lack: I just read in Fay’s column about Homer feeling dizzy and having a bad headache. Once when I had symptoms like those, it turned out I was dehydrated.

  32. pinson343

    @Bill Lack: The Hanigan vs. Hernandez splits are remarkable. And the sample size isn’t all that small, we’re talking about a full season of pitching for a closer.

    I wonder what the splits were last year.

    In any case, I would bring in Hanigan for defensive purposes late in a close game, especially now that we have Corky as a third catcher.

  33. pinson343

    Speaking of late inning defensive replacements, it was good to see Dusty bring in Heisey, Janish, and Bruce for defense last nite.

    As to why he hasn’t been doing that all season …

  34. Matt

    Bailey was just out there amped up, wanting to perform, unfortunately it was a hotter and humid evening than we’ve been use to for awhile. I think he’s fine. Remember when Cueto lost it early like that a couple of months ago? Greg Maddox never got into those troubles because he knew when and how to pitch more upright, which stopped him from overstriding. Knowing how hard Bailey works he’ll be watching the video to get it corrected.

  35. pinson343

    Speaking more about showing some flexibility in the 9th inning, good managers still do this when needed.

    Charlie Manuel supports Lidge and says all the time that he’s my closer. But when the 9th begins with a left handed hitter, and Lidge is struggling, he’ll bring out a lefty for the first batter and then bring Lidge in to face the righties. He did this for a 1-2-3 9th inning in a game against the Reds which I saw in Philly, won by the Phils 1-0.

    I’ve also watched Bobby Cox deal a lot with slumping closers. For the one thing, he’ll shorten the leash and give the guy the hook when he’s jeopordizing the win.

  36. Travis G.

    @DevilsAdvocate: That’s a very good observation. I know Cabrera has been overrated for a couple of years, both offensively and defensively, and he’s never invited back by teams he plays for, but he sure does seem to play for winners more often than not. I’ll bet he ends up being a pretty good manager someday fairly soon.

    And I totally agree that Chapman or Rhodes should face lefties in save situations, particularly once they’re in the playoffs. There, I said it.

  37. RiverCity Redleg

    With all the “OC is a great guy and teammate” talk, which I have no reason to doubt, it makes even more sense that Janish should get occasional starts. He doesn’t seem like the type of guy that would take it personally if he wasn’t starting EVERY day. Which begs the question, why does Dusty do it?

  38. Dave Lowenthal

    @mike: You make it sound like Chapman is Edinson Volquez, the August version. As a reliever at AAA, his walk rate was low. As a reliever with the Reds, he hasn’t had control problems to speak of. I’ve watched every single outing he’s had, and if anything, I feel he’s getting squeezed by the umps. And still, he’s only walked 2 guys.

  39. B-town Fan

    “He has stunk at the plate for most of the season, and I still think Janish gives the Reds a better chance to win…” Chad I wouldn’t exactly say he’s stunk at the plate, he’s hitting 274 for the season.

  40. bho52

    @RiverCity Redleg: Cabrera also brings the “field general” aspect to the infield. We see him constantly talking and smiling, but a lot of that is him telling guys where to go. Also loved his mini-pep talk to Cordero last night. Nothing against Janish, but he doesn’t have the experience or command respect from the infield like a vet like OC would. I know guys love numbers here, but that’s just some intangible stuff I like from OC.

    Also, Magic Number box looks awesome!

  41. dn4192

    I sat and watched the game in shock that Dusty and his crew couldn’t see that Homer wasn’t right. They even pointed out via TV how red his kneck was due to the training staff using heat to try and help. With an expanded roster and bullpen, Homer should have never started that game. Again our manager is hopeless.

  42. Dave Lowenthal

    @dn4192: Moreover, it’s a September game, so there is no issue with going to the bullpen early. I could not believe how “wrong” Bailey looked. Why do you leave the guy in there in the 3rd, only to take him out after the 3rd? It really made no sense.

  43. Chris Garber

    1. Bruce saved Cordero’s job last night. At some level, I wonder if we’d be better off with an Magic Number of 11 and Aroldis Chapman as closer.

    2. Anyone else remember Thom crabbing about why the Reds played Votto in the 1b line when LaRoche is up (and “a guy that throws 94 on the mound)? Welsh correctly noted that he’s an extreme pull hitter. As evidenced by that last out.

    3. Dusty was at his stubborn, short-sighted worst last night. Homer was clearly struggling in the 3rd inning, trying to blow a 4-run lead. There was no doubt that Homer would be done after 3 IP. Yet Dusty left him out there, so that he wouldn’t have to either (1) burn a pitcher for 2 outs, or (2) let the reliever bat in the bottom of the 3rd. With an unlimited supply of relievers and pinch-hitters, that’s just inexcusable. Especially when Bloomquist was the pinch hitter, with 2 outs in the 3rd.

  44. badenjr

    Orlando Cabrera may bring some good qualities to the team, but there’s no excuse for Dusty not having Janish in as a defensive replacement in the ninth inning last night. If Janish is in, Stephen Drew’s ground ball is caught (instead of bouncing off of Cabrera’s glove) and the Reds get a force, if not a double play. Cordero would have gotten out of the inning largely unscathed, and the only thing we’d have to complain about this morning would be not getting to see Bruce’s catch, which we wouldn’t have known we’d missed anyway!

    • Steve

      Orlando Cabrera may bring some good qualities to the team, but there’s no excuse for Dusty not having Janish in as a defensive replacement in the ninth inning last night. If Janish is in, Stephen Drew’s ground ball is caught (instead of bouncing off of Cabrera’s glove) and the Reds get a force, if not a double play. Cordero would have gotten out of the inning largely unscathed, and the only thing we’d have to complain about this morning would be not getting to see Bruce’s catch, which we wouldn’t have known we’d missed anyway!

      I agree with your point, including that Janish would have made the double play on Drew’s hit that Cabrera missed.

      But Janish had been put at 3B as a defensive replacement for Miguel Cairo who was playing for Scott Rolen.

  45. Dave Lowenthal

    @Chris Garber: Uhhh, what? I wish you were right, but Cordero could blow every game from now until October 3rd, and he will still be the closer in October.

    I’m right with you (just commented on it, in fact) about Dusty leaving in Bailey. If you are going to pitch the guy in the 4th, it makes at least consistent sense to leave him in for the 3rd. Otherwise…ridiculous.

  46. dn4192

    @Dave Lowenthal:

    i am just as pissed at Homer. Stop being selfish, he knew he wasn’t feeling right, he should have gone to dusty and said something, but nooooo he tried to tough it out.

  47. Chris Garber

    I like Cabrera as a guy, and I like certain aspects of his game. Mostly, I get irritated at how the media has overrated him, and annointed him as some sort of magic totem, able to use his Proven Veteran Powers to improve other players’ performance, by mere presence.

  48. bho52

    @Brien Jackson: Since returning to the lineup, OC is hitting 0.412/0.429/0.760 with an OPS of 1.134. Scored 8 runs, driven in 3, and hasn’t grounded into a single double-play, which haunted this team on the Colorado trip. These aren’t exactly numbers I would expect from putting Brook Jacoby on the field.

    Janish is clearly a fan favorite, and did a great job filling in while OC was out, but what does Cabrera have to do for people to think it might be alright to put him on the field. Luckily, everybody wins and we get both in the lineup today

    • Steve

      Luckily, everybody wins and we get both in the lineup today

      Janish should be playing SS though. Clear example of Baker’s favoritism toward veterans, despite ample evidence to the contrary. Baker doesn’t want to offend the veteran even though it would be better defensively.

      “You know me and defense.” — Dusty Baker

  49. preach

    Those of us in the “pro-Cabrera” camp said all along that Janish should have started at least a couple of games a week and that he should come in late as a defensive replacement or during blow outs to keep Cabrera fresh and Janish sharp.

    While he can’t sustain these numbers long term, I think it is notable how much better Cabrera plays when rested. Happened eariler in the season as well.

    Personally, I don’t think either one of these guys should be our starting SS next year. But a recipe involving both of them is not too bad an option right now.

  50. RiverCity Redleg

    @bho52: I’m all for OC being our “starter”. But he does no good if he gets hurt again or becomes ineffective again due to fatigue. If you keep both players sharp, we are a better team.

  51. dn4192

    Basically it all boils down to W/L’s. We can all complain and comment on whom should be playing and why, but for this season, for whatever reason you can’t argue that Dusty has directed this club to a better overall record and position then anyone here could have even thought possible at the start of the season.

  52. Dave Lowenthal

    @bho52: What he has to do is actually be good over more than a week. His season numbers aren’t good. It’s not like Janish is Jeter or anything, but he deserves to play some.

  53. bho52

    @Dave Lowenthal: I’d like to see Janish play some too, but it’s not like he deserves to start over Cabrera

  54. Dave Lowenthal

    @bho52: Why not? His defense better, and neither is a great offensive player.

  55. Dave Lowenthal

    @Chris Garber: As an aside, we’d be better off if the Reds had won 8-7 on a walkoff in the 9th.

    I honestly think the Cordero fans would say he got the job done if Laroche had hit a 900 foot homer and missed first base for the third out.

  56. bho52

    @Dave Lowenthal: I think you’d see a lot more of a dropoff offensively if Janish were the everyday shortstop

  57. NastyNati513

    Off the topic; How about Carl Crawford in left? :mrgreen:

  58. rayman5000

    @badenjr: I get tired of hearing “If Janish was in there.” I’m glad soft-J is on this team, and I think he is a serviceable backup player, but there is a reason he has never been handed a starting job. His offense (over a season) is sorely lacking. Who’s to say he would have gotten to that ball either? I’ll take my chances with O-Cab starting, with Janish getting spot starts. There is a reason the Reds are going to win this division this year.

  59. rayman5000

    @NastyNati513: That would be amazing. Walt, drop some salary (Harang, Cordero) and make it happen. 😀

  60. badenjr

    @Steve: I missed that Janish was already in as a defensive replacement at third. (Believe it or not, I checked that too before the post. My fangraphs app didn’t include Janish in the box score.)

    rayman5000, I’m not proposing that Janish should be the starter. I was simply stating that it was a 7-4 game in the ninth inning, and that seems to me to be the time to put your defensive replacements in. I’ll admit that I think O-Cab is the better offensive player (even if it was ugly for the majority of this season), but Janish should be playing shortstop on this team when it is late and you’re protecting a lead.