2010 Reds

Edinson Volquez Bumped from the Rotation

The Cincinnati Reds announced on Saturday that starting pitcher Edinson Volquez would not make his scheduled start today, and that Travis Wood is going to pitch in his place on normal rest. Volquez is moving to the bullpen to find his command, a role many advocated that he should have been in from the start.

We looked at Edinson Volquez’s career back in July. The table below shows his Reds splits leading up to the 2008 all-star break, from all-star break to the 2009 injury, and his 8 starts since coming back from Tommy John surgery.

Period G/GS ERA WHIP IP HR/9 BB/9 K/9 K/BB
Pre AS ’08 20/19 2.29 1.24 117.2 0.4 4.3 9.6 2.25
AS ’08 – 2009 22/22 4.50 1.41 128.0 1.1 4.9 8.9 1.84
2010 8/8 6.17 1.97 35.0 1.5 6.9 9.3 1.33

The fast track to the rotation appears to have been a bad move. Pitchers needs 12-18 months for recovery, no matter how fast they “heal”, naturally or otherwise.

And why are they talking about activating Aaron Harang, who has yet to have a decent rehab appearance, to start against the Brewers this week instead of Matt Maloney?

19 thoughts on “Edinson Volquez Bumped from the Rotation

  1. And why are they talking about activating Aaron Harang, who has yet to have a decent rehab appearance, to start against the Brewers this week instead of Matt Maloney?

    Great question. I think they want to get Harang playoff eligible. But they could also get this done by throwing him a few innings out of the bullpen when the team is up/or down by 6 runs.

  2. Both Walt and Dusty like their veterans for the stretch run/playoffs. So we get Harang instead of Maloney. And an injured Edmunds instead of a Dickerson who is hitting .300+ in Milwaukee playing mostly LF. Could the Reds use a LF who is hitting right now?

    • @MikeC:

      And an injured Edmunds instead of a Dickerson who is hitting .300+ in Milwaukee playing mostly LF.

      It’s exactly .300; but it’s just 30 ABs. Anyone in MLB is capable of hitting .300 over a 30 AB stretch. It’s one 0-5 away from being down to .256.

      Even thought I think it’s a little exaggerated, Edmonds has had some positive influence on Bruce and Stubbs. Do you think Dickerson would have brought that intangible to the table?

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    I guess I'll have to take your word for it that Edmunds is helping Bruce and Stubbs beyond what Rolen, Cairo and the other veterans could. Some hitting in LF would help the line-up, that's for sure. I'll admit I always liked Dickerson and thought he had decent potential but was buried on the bench behind the likes of Patterson and Taveras when he wasn't injured.

  4. Well, I’ve been pushing for Maloney for a while now.

    I definitely don’t think Edmonds has one thing to do with Bruce’s hot streak.

    Finally, Greg, your chart shows that Volquez—even when healthy—just walks too many batters. I just don’t see how that translates well to the bullpen. Under what situation is Dusty going to bring him into the game? I’m fine if they’re down by 8 runs, but that’s about it.

  5. And, we we were discussing in July whether we’d get an ace or a league average pitcher, and most felt in between. With hindsight, the answer was a below replacement level pitcher.

  6. The Reds just want Harang up and available. Start Maloney or whoever, but Harang will need to fill some pretty important innings before it’s over.

    How many times in Aaron Harang’s career with Cincy did he lose those 3-2 games like Arroyo lost last night???? More broadly, take a look at his numbers, they’re awfully similar to Bronson Arroyo’s. Harang won’t be your ace starter or king closer, BUT he’s been here from the beginning, through thick and thin, redlegs…

  7. Volquez’s problems since returning have been on 4 days rest:
    4 days rest 1-2 11.57 ERA 16.1 IP 19 BB
    5+ days rest 2-0 1.45 ERA 18.2 IP 8 BB

  8. Volquez’s problems since returning have been on 4 days rest:
    4 days rest 1-2 11.57 ERA 16.1 IP 19 BB
    5+ days rest 2-0 1.45 ERA 18.2 IP 8 BB

    Very observant, LVW. Maybe Volquez needs the additional rest coming back from surgery.

    Funny how quick things can change during a baseball season. Just a few weeks ago, it looked like the Reds had a plethora of starting pitchers and outfielders. Now Leake and Volquez are out of the rotation, Edmunds and Nix are hurt, Gomes is slumping and Heisey isn’t hitting like he was.

    Dusty is going to go through a lot of toothpicks this September.

  9. I’m not really worried about Harang. Most of the runs that he gave up are on fastballs that he left right over the plate. His curveball looked pretty good, it’s just a matter of location.

  10. Volquez to the pen is a lot better than having him start, but it still doesn’t make a lot of sense. The only role I can see fitting him at all is long relief, and that isn’t going to happen often enough (cross fingers) to help him rehab.

    Since I’m not convinced long relief isn’t going to be his major role, the team is exposed to his current complete lack of control. How is bringing him in later in a game an improvement?

  11. I’d be surprised if Volquez’s big problem was tipping pitches, although that could be compounding it. It’s not like hitters are killing him. He just can’t throw strikes, except for when he loses command and puts one right over the plate.

  12. In his Reds career Harang has started 210 games and lost 7 games where he pitched at least 6 innings and allowed 2 or less runs. If that sounds like a lot, compare that to Johan Santana whom has started 53 games the last 2 years and has had 5 such losses.

  13. I guess Baker still didn’t get the memo (or facts) about the catcher comparisons. The VAST gap between the two catchers’ ERAs was well documented here and elsewhere last week.

    Hernandez catches Cueto and Volquez presumably for language reasons. Hanigan catches Arroyo and usually Bailey. That leaves Travis Wood as the “swing” pitcher. Recently, Hernandez has been catching Wood, giving Ramon 3/5 starts and Hanigan 2/5.

    That might change with Harang replacing Volquez in the rotation. Maybe Hanigan will catch Harang.

    • Harang-Hernandez 6.39

      Harang Hanigan 4.26

      I guess Baker still didn’t get the memo (or facts) about the catcher comparisons. The VAST gap between the two catchers’ ERAs was well documented here and elsewhere last week.Hernandez catches Cueto and Volquez presumably for language reasons. Hanigan catches Arroyo and usually Bailey. That leaves Travis Wood as the “swing” pitcher. Recently, Hernandez has been catching Wood, giving Ramon 3/5 starts and Hanigan 2/5.
      That might change with Harang replacing Volquez in the rotation. Maybe Hanigan will catch Harang.

  14. The bottom line is that it’s in the hands of Baker and the Reds to closely manage the pitching staff over the next 30+ games. So prepare yourself. Don’t be surprised if over these next several days we see things being cobbled together ‘at the last minute.’ There’s a nice variety of moving parts going on with our pitching staff. It’s much better they get on the same page in this facet, with those last nuances and intangibles now (Hanigan/Hernandez platoon and various rotation acclimations) as opposed to needing what you WILL NEED after we leave StL. in a week! I’ve been defending Harang, but in all honesty I see him as being the one most likely to get shelled next, God forbid. On the same note, I can see Harang doing just fine in both relief or as a starter. Just saying be patient, RLN, especially if we don’t pump up 20 runs every three game set.

  15. We are 5 games up. The Brewers have a power driven lineup. Give Harang and see what he can do against those guys. We might catch some lightning in a bottle. If not, it’s not the biggest crisis. I’d rather find out now what we are getting with Aaron.

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