2009 Reds / Minors / RN Radio

RNR #34: The Veteran Leadership Edition

Bill and I got together once again to discuss the latest news from Cincinnati Redleg Nation. Topics include the acquisition of Dear Veteran Leader Scott Rolen in a deadline deal, and whether the deal is good for the Reds future. Also: Edinson Volquez’s injury, should Brandon Phillips be moved to SS, and our Players of the Month. It’s yet another thrill-packed edition of the Redleg Nation Radio podcast.

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59 thoughts on “RNR #34: The Veteran Leadership Edition

  1. 2007 Tamba Bay Rays 44-71…25 GB (Next year won the division)
    2009 Cincinnati Reds 48-62…12 GB

    Who’s to say we can’t do the same? and we don’t even have to compete with the Red Soxs and Yankees.
    Yeah it’s going to suck without Edinson but 4-2 with a 4.25 isn’t great. It’s not like we’re losing Tim Lincecum.

  2. To dismiss leadership as just words is ignorant. Anyone who plays sports knows it’s easy to work hard when your leader works hard and you’re held accountable for your actions.

    Baloney. If you’re in the major leagues, you most likely work hard already. But I don’t say “leadership doesn’t exist.” I say, nobody can show me how much leadership exists, so they use it as a finger on a scale to justify ANYTHING. So I ignore it all.

    “If they don’t show up in stats they don’t matter”? Really? So the ground out to 2nd in order to advance the runner to 3rd that doesn’t matter? Cause in the stat book that’s just a ground out. When there is a play at the plate and the guy on 1st takes 2nd, does that not matter?

    That happens MUCH less often than you may believe it does. “Getting ’em over” is ridiculously over-emphasized. But IT DOES SHOW UP IN THE STATS to some small degree, in the form of increased runs scored.

  3. Justin, you know miles more about this stuff than I do, but if you have a 5M margin of error on a 15M item, is the estimate reliable?

  4. back to #24…I have to take issue on whether you make a deal just to make a deal, whether it’s the greatest need or not.

    If it’s a gift from heaven, I don’t disagree. This wasn’t a gift from heaven, and we have plenty of third base prospects.. In fact, that’s about all we have.

    Making an unnecessary deal affects other deals when there’s no one left to trade. Unless we think we can flip Rolen right now…not next year when he’s ready to walk and we have no leverage…this trade has used (wasted?) some our tradeable resources that can help improve the areas of greatest need.

    Again…if it’s a huge improvement, you take the deal. This deal isn’t going to put us over the top.

  5. But I don’t say “leadership doesn’t exist.” I say, nobody can show me how much leadership exists, so they use it as a finger on a scale to justify ANYTHING. So I ignore it all.
    No one can show you exactly how much breathing affects your body but I don’t see you deciding just to ignore breathing.
    Baloney. If you’re in the major leagues, you most likely work hard already.
    Really? If so then how come Encarnacion is just as bad a fielder now as he was 5 years ago?
    I don’t care if you loved or hated the trade but to ignore a reason (no matter how small or big the reason) for the trade is just stupid.

  6. If you’re in the major leagues, you most likely work hard already.
    seems I remember reading something about some guy named Dunn saying he didn’t work as hard as he should have in Cincinnati. Maybe if he’d had somebody to get on his ass once in awhile…….

  7. Yeah I don’t see how leadership was going to make Edwin a better fielder. He might just be a bad fielder.

  8. Justin, you know miles more about this stuff than I do, but if you have a 5M margin of error on a 15M item, is the estimate reliable?

    @Chris, it’s a fair critique that there are big error bars. But that doesn’t mean it’s not informative to do analyses like that. You don’t flip out over a slight under/overpay. Before the 2010 money was disclosed, I had it at a slight underpay, but I stated it was within the margin of error.

    But if you start seeing $15 million disparities, you know something is wrong. To put it another way, a lot of folks qualitatively thought sending Stewart was a huge overpay. The data don’t support that, mostly because pitching prospects are so unreliable. Now, I could easily be off by $5 million in the specific estimates I came to. But it’s not like I was getting a $25 million overpay, like I might have if Alonso had been included in the deal as initially rumored.
    -j

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