Game Thread: Reds at Yankees — 2008.06.21 Chad Dotson 06/21/2008 156 Daryl Thompson’s major league debut. In Yankee Stadium. No pressure! So, how will the young guy perform? Any predictions? Share this:TweetPrint 156 Responses AnnapolisRed 06/21/2008 Better than Homer Bailey or Josh Fogg would have. AnnapolisRed 06/21/2008 Hate to ruin the party, but Patterson is back in the line-up in center batting eighth. Of course, Janish the SS is batting seconde. Hopper on the bench again. Phill 06/21/2008 I hope he pitches well, don’t know if he will. But thank god we got Norris Hopper off the DL so he can sit on the bench because Corey Patterson is so much friggin’ better. Ron 06/21/2008 The CP infatuation continues. As for DT … I’d be happy with 5 innings of 2-3 runs. Anything better and I will be thrilled. My one concern is him getting hammered. More talented pitchers have been permanently scarred by decisions like this. Lets hope this isnt one of those. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Reds line-up Jay Bruce rf Paul Janish ss Ken Griffey dh Brandon Phillips 2b Joey Votto 1b Adam Dunn lf Edwin Encarnacion 3b Corey Patterson cf Paul Bako c Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Reason for playing BP at SS – He would bat 2nd versus Janish. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 George said the Reds are making their final “regular season” trip to Yankee Stadium. Hmmm. Is George prophesying a Reds-Yankees World Series? mhopp 06/21/2008 Yep, I’m glad I’m at work as I fully expect the Reds to get shut out given Patterson is in vs. Hopper and Janish is batting 2nd. It’s no wonder this team can’t score runs and win…the morale must be on the floor know the manager contuously makes stupid decisions. Let’s hope D.T. can pitch well since he can’t allow more than a run if he wants to win. DevilsAdvocate 06/21/2008 So the Yankees have a guy making his first big-league start today, too. Another factor working against the Reds, since they never hit against the newly minted big-leaguers. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 31-year-old rookie for the Yankees. How old was Dennis Quaid when he made his MLB debut? 😀 Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Very assertive defensive play by Thompson. That’s what I like to see. Ron 06/21/2008 21 pitch 1st inning … not surprising against a patient team like the yanks and a kids first start … he’ll be lucky to make it to the 6th at that rate. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Pretty much all fastballs by both guys so far. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Maybe the next time through the line-up we tag some hard hits together. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Don’t give the Yankees extra outs. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 K would be big. mhopp 06/21/2008 🙁 Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Way, way too many pitches being thrown. Ron 06/21/2008 Oh boy … bases loaded … not what ya want to see Daryl have to deal with early in the game mhopp 06/21/2008 Oh boy, that’ll help…Dick Pole to the mound!?!?! mhopp 06/21/2008 Don’t worry, Corey Outterson is up first in the next inning thanks to Dusty Dip $..hit 😛 mhopp 06/21/2008 Saweet! Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Just checked the Reds schedule to see if Thompson would have a start against the Nats next month. He won’t, which is a shame. It would be great to see him shut them down just to stick it to Bowden. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 AMAZING COMEBACK!!! Ron 06/21/2008 Yes!!! great come back DevilsAdvocate 06/21/2008 Wow. What a job to get out of that jam. That’s amazing. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Interesting comment about Bako just discovering that Thompson has confidence in the change-up. Didn’t these two conference before the game? mhopp 06/21/2008 Great comeback, and against the Yanks…I feel the breeze of a sweep! ChicagoRedsFan 06/21/2008 I’m so f’ing tired of Corey Patterson starting! It’s a complete travesty that Hopper isn’t in there instead… mhopp 06/21/2008 If CP goes 0for4 this game he’ll be at .189 and exactly .100 below Norris Hopper…CP must be really good at something but it sure isn’t baseball…only Dusty knows that secret. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Looking at CP’s stance. It doesn’t look like he is too far from the plate. He just can’t hit. Pete 06/21/2008 Corey “Baker’s-son” pops up again. What a shocker. mhopp 06/21/2008 Why would anyone want to hit on this team? CP doesn’t and he gets to play every day. ChicagoRedsFan 06/21/2008 Dusty would never get away with starting CP in New York. The press would absolutely crucify him! It’s so idiotic that he keeps putting him in the lineup…sigh Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Dusty’s favorite song must be “Stand by your Man.” 😀 Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Don’t go there again, DT. Matt Steele 06/21/2008 Needs to cut down on those walks, but he’s really not pitching badly. Ron 06/21/2008 Yeah, those walks are gonna haunt him before too long Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Just too many pitches, which leads to more talking from George Grande. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Lesson to Homer Bailey – Fix your mechanics so you get the “hop” on your fastball that DT has. It’s all about movement especially if you can throw both the two and four seamer. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Here’s a thought – Why don’t the Reds hire a “pitching specialist” to work with an enigma like a Bailey. Imagine someone like a Mazzone working one-on-one with him or any of the Reds problem pitchers. Yet again another AMAZING escape by DT. Ron 06/21/2008 Im liken me some DT … kid has guts and is not scared … Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Heck, if I were Bailey I might be hiring my own personal coach to fix me. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Why is Janish batting second? Oh, yeah. He’s the SS. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Hit something hard, Junior. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 For pitys sake. This is baseball not golf. Matt Steele 06/21/2008 good hustle by BP, Votto is our hottest hitter right now too, let’s get a lead now Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 I wonder if Jacoby conferences with his hitters (or swingers, based on your perspective) before each game to discuss how to approach hitting against the opposing pitcher? Nah, probably not. Matt Steele 06/21/2008 looks like I spoke too soon 🙁 Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 How can line-up with Janish, Junior, Patterson, and Bako be expected to score? Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 I’m glad that Clint Hurdle is going to be the NL manager for this year’s All-Star Game. DevilsAdvocate 06/21/2008 It’s been slightly better, but this is reminding me of Homer Bailey’s major-league debut last year. Announcers clamoring to bring the kid up, gets the call against a good offense, gives up too many walks and gets into jams but skates through somehow, and throws a metric ton of pitches to just barely get through 5. mhopp 06/21/2008 Redilculous, this kid is pitching a good game and again getting no run support…I hate Dusty Baker…he is ruining any chance of the Reds scoring by playing his fantasy man Outterson and others. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 There’s certainly room for improvement. Just keep Dick Pole away from him. Matt Steele 06/21/2008 Fun Corey Patterson Fact: in the last 28 days, he has 4 hits: 3 singles and a solo homer DevilsAdvocate 06/21/2008 Quick question, and this is an honest question: have Marty, Thom, Jeff, George, or Chris made any mention of the whole Dunn-Ricciardi dust-up? Or are they saving that for the first game in Toronto? Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 George and Chris were just talking about it. George said JP would probably walk out on the field to apologize to Dunn. Everyone is a freakin’ Smurf is GG’s eyes. Matt Steele 06/21/2008 They just talked about it a little bit last inning ChicagoRedsFan 06/21/2008 Regarding CP, it could be worse…Dusty also wanted this guy: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7133 DevilsAdvocate 06/21/2008 Was curious if they mentioned it on tv, as I don’t think I’ve heard anything on the radio about it. Though I’m usually late to tune into the games these days. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Thompson has a nice quick move to 1B. Beautiful play by our Amish SS. Dave from Louisville 06/21/2008 Alright time to score some runs!! DevilsAdvocate 06/21/2008 Well, if that’s the end of the day for Thompson, good job – though it could easily have gone the other way with all the runners allowed. Hope for an easier time out next start, now that he’s gotten the debut out of the way. BenL 06/21/2008 Thursday upon hearing the part of JP’s quote about Dunn’s stats (.240 hitter…) Marty says sort of snidely “did he say anything inaccurate?” And people wonder why Cincinnati doesn’t appreciate Dunn… CeeKeR 06/21/2008 96 pitches for Thompson. I hope the bullpen is ready to continue the shutout. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Bako is so incredibly horrible. CeeKeR 06/21/2008 2 hits total through 5+ innings is also incredibly horrible. DevilsAdvocate 06/21/2008 This 31-year-old rookie Geise, making his first major-league start, in Yankee Stadium, has only had to make 62 pitches through 6 shutout innings. Bull. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Has Dunn ever told Marty to kiss his a**? Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 The Baker-Jacoby group has taken any inkling of patience away from this offense. Ron 06/21/2008 Another weak weak effort by the offense … how many more batting coaches can we go through until we find one that can actually coach? CeeKeR 06/21/2008 To be fair, Geise had already pitched 7 and 1/3 innings this year before this start. 🙄 CeeKeR 06/21/2008 Re Ron: It’s amazing how bad the Reds hitters are when you look at who they have too. It takes a special kind of talent to render them completely useless like Baker and Jacoby have managed to do. Ellis 06/21/2008 Sadly most of what JP said about Dunn is true. Last weekend after the Saturday afternoon game against the Red Sox, Dunn was at the Brooks & Dunn concert at Riverbend getting drunk when he had a 1 o’clock game the next afternoon. He went 0-4 with 2 K’s… Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 We have Patterson. Bako, Junior, and Baker to complain about and Marty picks Dunn to run on. Dunn must have pulled a practical joke on him at some time in the past that Marty has never forgiven him for. We all know how well MB takes a joke. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Define getting drunk. Helluva grab by EE!!! Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Drink some youth serum, Junior. Ellis 06/21/2008 Pounding beer after beer Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Sort of like a Ryan Freel? DevilsAdvocate 06/21/2008 A Hit + an Error = A Threat! DevilsAdvocate 06/21/2008 More sloppy defense on the part of the Yankees. Take advantage, Dunn! CeeKeR 06/21/2008 C’mon Dunn. Pete 06/21/2008 Add Johnny “Amaraz” to the growing list of names that Grande routinely mispronounces. DevilsAdvocate 06/21/2008 Boy, Dunn has been really terrible lately. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Dusty getting fired up. Pete 06/21/2008 Dunn looked completely baffled. ChicagoRedsFan 06/21/2008 Marty on Dunn after he struck out: “You can’t hide him in the batting order, you cannot.” Does Dunn even acknowledge him when they see each other? Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 EDDIE DELIVERS!!! DevilsAdvocate 06/21/2008 Yes! A run! BenL 06/21/2008 Who’s not clutch, cowboy? Ron 06/21/2008 Thank goodness. If we hadnt scored there Marty would have spent the rest of the game raggin on Dunn Ben 06/21/2008 That’s three times THIS WEEK that Dunn has struck out with runners on 2nd & 3rd and less than 2 outs. Keep defending him, stat mongers! DevilsAdvocate 06/21/2008 And all they had to do was walk Edwin to face Patterson instead. Oh well, Girardi – it’s a learning process. ChicagoRedsFan 06/21/2008 I’m listening to Marty and Brantley online. Is Brantley always this unenthusiastic? On EE’s hit, his tone made it sound like it was going to be an out. That was a huge hit! DevilsAdvocate 06/21/2008 What alternate universe is Yankee Stadium located in? Because these Reds look good. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 CP SHOCKER!!! Ron 06/21/2008 Wow, that will put CP in the starting lineup for the rest of the year ChicagoRedsFan 06/21/2008 I don’t think I’ve ever bemoaned a Reds homerun until now…he’ll be leading off now for at least the next 2 weeks! Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 I still would describe this offense as “looking good” but I’ll take the results. CeeKeR 06/21/2008 Congrats Patterson. There’s your hit for the week. I’ve got to head out, off to New York City to watch the Reds go for the sweep (I hope?) tomorrow! Have a good afternoon all. Ron 06/21/2008 Brantley is about as exciting as watching rocks decompose … Dave from Louisville 06/21/2008 WAY TO GO PATTERSON!! We never doubted you your talents. Good luck with your next 500 homeruns on the way to cashing your ticket to the hall of fame. DevilsAdvocate 06/21/2008 My brother does a really good impression of Brantley. It’s in the same vein as Will Ferrell’s G.W. Bush impression, in that it doesn’t really sound much like him, but the tone is just spot-on funny. You just drawl, “welllll, the thing about baseballllll is buhhhh-duh-buh-bah-buh-bah-buh-buhhhhh.” Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Enjoy, CeeKer!!! mhopp 06/21/2008 Darn I missed it, Corey Patterson gets a hit and drives in runs!! Sorry Norris Hopper but you’ll be on the bench for the rest of the year even if you are in the running for the batting title Dave from Louisville 06/21/2008 This is kinda a gratifying moment for Krisky. The 2 of the main pieces of “the trade” are pitching a shutout at Yankee Stadium. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Does that mean we’re going to see Majewski as well? Ron 06/21/2008 Yikes, here comes Stormy … if he has to face Arod with runners on, this lead could be gone quick Dave from Louisville 06/21/2008 Someone needs to tell Bray his sideburns are not doing the job. Seriously they look ridiculous. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Please don’t screw this up, DW. Ron 06/21/2008 2 down, one to go Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 It’s always nice when MLBers don’t know how many outs there are. 🙄 Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 WOW!!! Houdini never had escapes like we have seen today. Ron 06/21/2008 good job, Arod leads off the 8th with the bases empty … that should put Coco on the mound in the 9th against the bottom of the order Ellis 06/21/2008 Krivsky has been hired by the Mets as a special assistant (scout) to GM Omar Minaya Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 What’s Hatcher’s job? Base running? Tom 06/21/2008 “The Trade” still stinks, and I lost a lot of respect for Chris Welch trying to spin it like it was a good deal for the Reds. Two lame middle relievers and a pitching prospect for two young starting position players with an .800 OPS at the time of deal is stupid is as stupid does. No matter what these players ever do, it was a bad trade since Krivsky didn’t get comparable value at the time of the deal. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 ALRIGHT!!! TWO MORE THANKS TO BP! Kurt Frost 06/21/2008 The trade wasn’t that bad. BenL 06/21/2008 I don’t know what Krivsky knew and what he didn’t know at the time, but the trade is starting to look pretty good. mhopp 06/21/2008 Tom, the future value is what what the trade is worth…Griffey for instance may have a lot of current trade value but certainly he won’t have any in 3-4 years…at least not as a player. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 I take it that Dusty isn’t known for stressing fundamentals. Ben 06/21/2008 Can anyone else figure out what Burton is doing in the game right now. This is the time you use Majewski or Lincoln, Dusty. I can’t wait until the 8th inning when Burton is either unavailable or dead armed tomorrow. BenL 06/21/2008 Ben – On the radio they were speculating that Burton started warming up before it was 6-0, so they decided to go ahead and use him. I’m not saying that they should have, but it’s an explanation of some sort. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 The Kearns-Lopez deal might be best described as lame. This is a bad deal. Ron 06/21/2008 Griffey has very little trade value at this point … most scouts feel he cant get around on good fastballs anymore … I cant see us getting anything in return for him unless we are willing to swallow most of his ’08 salary as as agree to pay his $4M’09 buy out … even then it wont be more than a mid level wanna be prospect Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 When is the last time Junior actually hit a ball hard? BenL 06/21/2008 I think if you look at the value of the players today, the players we got are more valuable than the ones we gave up. That wasn’t always the case, though, and we’ll see how long it lasts. But Bray and Thompson are valuable, they’re young, and even Majewski has been useful recently. Ron 06/21/2008 Probably when he hit #600 Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 From Fay’s blog: Juan Duran, the $3 million 16-year-old, went 2-for-4 with two triples and a walk for the Reds team in the Dominican Summer League. He’s hitting .417 with .588 on-base. In 13 of his 15 plate appearances have ended in a hit, walk or strikeout. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Even #600 wasn’t exactly stung. Ron 06/21/2008 Not to mention #600 was a curveball … Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 Comment from MaxRedleg on Fay’s blog referring to the Krivsky hiring by the Mets: Special Assistant to the GM is that not like George Castanza was for the NYY in the Seinfeld Show? That is hilarious!!! Ron 06/21/2008 2 Wins, makes that miserable homestand hurt a little more as they could be close to .500 mhopp 06/21/2008 What does everyone think of D.T.? I was a little worried but I’d say he’s got a great head on his shoulders and definitely looks better than Bailey! Kurt Frost 06/21/2008 I think Thompson walks to many people and the Reds swing at too many pitches. The Yankees pitcher only threw 55 pitches through 5 innings. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 DT has some pretty good stuff but he must become more pitch efficient the next time out against the Indians. I think he will be going against C.C. Sabathia. Kurt Frost 06/21/2008 I know Adam Dunn hits 40, scores, walks and drives in 100, but sometimes the big guy is just totally useless. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 As is any player, some more than others such as CP. AnnapolisRed 06/21/2008 I was listening to Sporting News Radio this afternoon (missed part of the game because of the wife) and they had some interesting things to say about the Reds. They said that the Reds have a lot of good young players-Bruce, Votto, Cueto, Volquez, Thompson were mentioned-but they have the worst manager for young players in Dusty Baker, a guy who does not like young players. They also said that some managers fill out their line-up based on production and others on loyalty and Dusty was definitely a loyalty guy (can you say Corey Patterson). They did say he was a good fit in Cincinnati in the fact there were no expectations and he does better when there is little to no expectation, but as the Reds get better with the young players that expectations will increase and that is where he struggles. Thought it was interesting. Tom-The trade was a good one. The Reds gave up two useless players in Kearns in Lopez. I wouldn’t want either one of them. I find it hilarious that people on this board rip Marty B for being “negative” where there is not a more negative group than the people on this board. Y City Jim being the leader in the clubhouse. Marty B tells it like it is and is right 99 percent of the time. I want to keep Dunn, but his lack of production in those situations (runner on third and less than two outs) can be very annoying. Matt Steele 06/21/2008 for a guy making his major league debut at Yankee stadium, he didn’t pitch poorly. What stood out most to me was how he would be very aggressive in getting to two strikes and then try to “finesse” his way to a strike out. He loosened up and lost a little control of his pitches. I don’t think it’s a problem that can’t be fixed and I’m pretty excited about his and the Reds future with all of these young arms Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 KEEP DICK POLE AWAY FROM HIM!!! 😀 Relient k Car 06/21/2008 fire dick pole get a good coach to help these youngins and we’ll be fine mhopp 06/21/2008 That story seems quite accurate about Dusty Baker and answers a lot of questions we have on his rationale. No matter, he is a terrible manager for this current team. It still does not answer why you put a reliever in that has a 5.00+ ERA in a close game when you have a rested reliever at a 2.50 ERA in the pen? These are foolish decisions that he should answer to his superior manager and owner for. If it were my money, I’d eat Dusty’s contract and bring McKannon back (spelling?). Bottom line from Castalinni’s standpoint looking at Dusty Baker: Loyalty Does not win games! He fired Krivsky for less so I can’t see why Dusty should be around too many years at this rate. mhopp 06/21/2008 Bottom line from CastalinniÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s standpoint looking at Dusty Baker: Loyalty Does not win games! He fired Krivsky for less so I canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t see why Dusty should be around too many years at this rate. K-Patt 06/21/2008 Hey, I hit one out, so will everyone quit ragging on me? That homer raised my average to .193. I’m starting every game for the rest of the season for sure now. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 You’re a poopyhead, Corey Patterson. 😀 Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 I guess on WLW Extra Innings today they said that Keppinger would be activated for tomorrow’s game. He was not in the Bats line-up today. TylerS 06/21/2008 #140, If you want to see some negativity, check out the message boards on reds.com. It’s absolutely absurd. mhopp 06/21/2008 Alright Keppinger in the line up!! Oh, maybe not since Dusty is the manager he’ll probably have a .195 batter instead so he can be “loyal” never mind the team has about the worst average with RISP. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 The Reds probably the team with the least number of RISP. Glenn 06/21/2008 Like Johnny Cueto before him, I think Daryl Thompson just flew by Homer Bailey on the Reds depth chart. I would not at all be suprised if Homer’s dealt sometime before spring training. It might be a good move for both him and the Reds. Y-City Jim 06/21/2008 The thing is if you fix Bailey’s mechanical flaws you have someone as awesome as the others. Imagine Harang plus four young guns. Plug the offensive holes mainly at catcher and right field and it looks pretty good. mhopp 06/21/2008 I’d give Bailey until the end of the season, then trade. I just can’t see keeping him and agree with Glenn. Hopefully he is not scarred for good. You just never know, some players are over rated and some are under rated. The Reds need a player who is clutch and hits for average with a little pop so that’s what I’d get. Maybe Textiera (spelling?) at 1b and Votto in the OF? Glenn 06/21/2008 I hope I’m wrong and Bailey gets things figured out. I’m just wondering if that day is ever going to come. AnnapolisRed 06/22/2008 Trade Bailey? For what? I’m not sure it is even mechanical. I was at the game he started in Philly LAST YEAR and he wasn’t breaking 87 on the gun. Something is wrong, just not sure it is mechanical.