The Redlegs are counting on Homer Bailey today. BoSox will have World Series star Josh Beckett on the mound.

Winner takes the series. Let’s get it on.

Discuss it here.

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  1. Kurt Frost

    I read what you wrote up there and all I could say was “Oh my”. Homer doesn’t need to be pitching against a patient team like the Red Sox.

  2. Y-City Jim


    Jay Bruce CF
    Jolbert Cabrera SS
    Ken Griffey Jr. RF
    Brandon Phillips 2B
    Adam Dunn LF
    Edwin Encarnacion 3B
    Joey Votto 3
    David Ross C
    Homer Bailey P (0-2, 6.30)


    Jacoby Ellsbury LF
    Dustin Pedroia 2B
    J.D. Drew RF
    Mike Lowell 3B
    Kevin Youkilis 1B
    Jason Varitek C
    Coco Crisp CF
    Julio Lugo SS
    Josh Beckett P (6-4, 4.22)

  3. Y-City Jim

    Homer needs to crank it up a notch and catch the BloSox by surprise. Good low heat.

  4. Y-City Jim

    Jeff Piecoro just said that the Reds won Game 6 of the 1975 WS. What an idiot.

  5. shane

    homer/100 pitches, whadaya think? 2 1/2 innings? maybe 3?

  6. Y-City Jim

    Good pitch that Ellsbury hits on an 0-2 count.

  7. Y-City Jim

    If Ross has the throw down they have a shot at 3B.

  8. Y-City Jim

    Homer gets the ground ball.

    Now comes the real task. The Reds hitting Beckett.

  9. mhopp

    Too bad they don’t have CP in the lineup to help right now. Dusty and CP must have had a lovers quarrel.

  10. Y-City Jim

    Wonder who is hitting second since Janish is not in the line-up. Oh, silly me. The SS Cabrera.

  11. Y-City Jim

    Hey!!! A #2 hitter that gets on.

  12. Y-City Jim

    How about a KG, Jr. Wheelchair Night?


  13. Y-City Jim

    Can you imagine a pitching match up between Beckett and Danny Jackson? It would take six hours to play a nine inning game.

  14. buddy

    I’ve never been a Griffey basher per say but God it’s getting tiresome watching him JOG to first base, not to mention grounding into the shift.

  15. Y-City Jim

    It would be a lot easier to take if we had got seven completely healthy years out of him.

  16. mhopp

    Yep, Bailey can’t even put away the bottom of the lower part of the Sox lineup without Big Papi and Manny…pathetic

  17. Mike Martz

    Does anyone else have a blank screen on TBS where there is supposed to be a reds game on? This is crazy! Yesterday Fox did the REDS/Redsox pregame and then switched over to the Cards game, now today blank screen on TBS, I guess someone doesn’t want me to see the REDS play baseball! ๐Ÿ˜ฅ

  18. buddy

    True Y-City. It’s a tragedy really. Let the Homer shelling begin. The NESN announcers are trying to figure out what Homer’s best pitch is and now they’re not sure if he even has one.

  19. BenL

    Yeah, if I made >10 million dollars a year and I wasn’t producing at that level, the FIRST thing I would do is start hustling to first. I think it says something to the fans and the younger players that he doesn’t feel that it’s his obligation to do so.

  20. Y-City Jim

    Is it simply a coincidence that Homer’s downfall began with Dick Pole as his pitching coach?

  21. buddy

    It’s baffling that Dick Pole still has a job. Brook Jacoby too for that matter.

  22. Y-City Jim

    Sure wish Vern was still with us.

  23. buddy

    DirecTV is once again only showing the NESN feed. Blank screen where FSN Ohio should be. I have to admit though, i kinda like the Baaaston guys.

  24. mhopp

    I’d go ahead and hit for bailey as he will give up more runs anyhow.

  25. Y-City Jim

    Maybe JB will have Beckett figured out by his 4th at bat.

  26. buddy

    As long as Homer Bailey keeps throwing everything straight and flat he will keep giving up runs indefinately. He will never make it in the bigs without any movement on his pitches. WHO IS TEACHING THIS GUY?

  27. buddy

    How can FSN Ohio get a Heidi Watney?

  28. Y-City Jim

    It seems like no one is tesching him or Cueto (except when Soto shows up).

  29. Y-City Jim

    She would make losing less painful?


  30. Mike Martz

    Again, Bailey simply isn’t ready!

  31. BenL

    I know it’s been said a million times: He’s only 22. He’s not ready. Hopefully he’ll be back.

  32. Y-City Jim

    I see Bailey getting traded some place where a good pitching coach fixes his flaws and he wins a Cy Young or two.

  33. Mike Martz

    Griffey will be on the bench tomorrow with a stiff neck!

  34. Mike Martz

    Are the REDS fans chanting for BRUUUUUCE to pitch? no wait those ARE booooooos

  35. BenL

    Jim, I almost hope you’re right for Homer’s sake, if not the Reds’

  36. Y-City Jim

    Jocketty has to recognize that there are some serious problems with the Reds coaching staff. I don’t care what kind of talent an organization has. It only goes as far as the coaching staff can take it.

  37. Y-City Jim

    Do we really want to bring up Thompson with Dick Pole still in place?

  38. buddy

    Bailey should be pitching in AA. Seriously. Start over again. Question is can he mentally do it?

  39. Y-City Jim

    AAA is where he needs to be. Forget teaching him other pitches. Start with the fastball and getting the kinks out of his delivery. Once that has been accomplished then add the change-up.

  40. BenL

    I sort of wish we still had Shearn or Lehr: Someone mature who can come up and pitch every fifth game without having to worry about whether a future star is being ruined.

  41. buddy

    The coaching staff doesn’t appear to be doing any coaching. Hopefully Uncle Walt addresses this. Dick is Bakers buddy though and we all know how Baker clings to a bro-mance.

  42. Y-City Jim

    The poor kid is mentally kicked in the teeth. His psyche needs restoration.

  43. buddy

    I wonder if I can make it to the store and back between Becketts pitches…

  44. Y-City Jim

    The frequent visits by Soto have to indicate that the front office questions the Dickster’s ability to coach.

  45. Ron

    With yesterdays great outting by Thompson, you have to wonder if Bailey is 1 or 2 more clunkers from a return trip to AAA.

  46. Y-City Jim

    Buddy, I think you could make it to the store and back along with getting a gas fill-up before he shakes off the first sign. That is the one reason I hated Danny Jackson. On the opposite side, I remember a Seaver-Billingham match-up that lasted less than two hours.

  47. buddy

    I predict the Sox reach double digits in this game and win 10 or 11-1. The lone Reds run will come via an Adam Dunn solo shot in the 8th of course. ๐Ÿ™„

  48. al

    i just need to go on record saying that chris welsh is an idiot. he spent about 5 minutes arguing for josh fogg as the 5th starter on the grounds that he “never really was given a shot.”

    there should be some sort of disciplinary action taken by fsn for stuff like that. firejoemorgan is going to have a field day.

  49. Y-City Jim

    Ron, he may be zero clunkers from going back. If Pole can’t correct anything here then he needs to go back where someone can correct his flaws.

  50. buddy

    Ron, Bailey shouldn’t even be allowed 1 or 2 more clunkers. His return trip should be now.

  51. rob

    Could part of Bailey’s problem be he has too many people telling him what to do? Ted Power in Louisville, Baker and Pole in Cincinnati, and I don’t know maybe even Soto offers some advice. This business of Pole changing Bailey’s hands on his windup and losing 3 or 4 mph stinks.

    I wouldn’t give up on the guy but Louisville should be his next destination.

  52. Y-City Jim

    That said, I am not sold on Ted Power’s abilities either. Louisville last gave the Reds a good pitcher when?

  53. buddy

    Sorry for the double team Ron, Jim and I appear to be thinking alike.

  54. Mike Martz

    I think there is a taxi waiting at the stadium to take Bailey to Louisville.

  55. Y-City Jim

    Al, I thought the same thing. Fogg was given ample chance. If we give a vet a chance then it should be Affeldt.

  56. al

    i’m just going to throw this out for discussion:

    homer bailey may be one of the best arguments for the sabr approach to evaluation as opposed to traditional scouting.

    he’s a guy that stats people have been raising red flags about for a long time, but had the entire scouting community that he was the best pitching prospect in the game for quite some time.

    watching him now, i’m shocked that people thought his stuff was big league stuff, but all we heard was best fastball in the system, best curveball in the system.

  57. Y-City Jim

    Bailey may have called it himself.

  58. buddy

    Did Bailey even throw a curveball today?

  59. al

    yeah, he threw a pretty good amount of curveballs today, they’re just not very good. they’re breaking 50 ft in front of the plate instead of 5.

  60. Y-City Jim

    There is some truth to that (other than the best curve ball) especially with his minor league numbers. I think his fastball WAS top notch stuff but the kid is mechanically working against himself. Until he is exposed to someone who can get inside his head and can teach him sound mechanics, he will not be successful. Bailey can whine about his problems or he can take the bull by the horns and try to learn on his own.

  61. Chad

    Guys, I’m in Gatlinburg, TN. Is it as bad as it sounds?

  62. Y-City Jim

    I’m siding with Welch on the instant replay debate. Professional baseball has survived 139 years without it.

  63. Y-City Jim

    Homer is a mess so, yes, it is as bad as it looks.

  64. mhopp

    I saw him pitch at Durham last year and was talking with an Indians and Mets scout while I was standing not too far behind home plate. I was like “is this the #1 pitching prospect of the Reds?” The scouts were like, “I dunno?” Needless to say he has not been impressive at ANY level in the minors or the majors. I would not give up on him but I’ve been saying since he came up that he is not ready and needs work with a quality (yes, quality) pitching coach. I say trade him and get someone else like a star CF…BTW that game in Durham against Lousville Josh Hamilton smashed a HR before I got to my seat…too bad he’s gone ๐Ÿ˜ฅ

  65. buddy

    I just don’t get why DirecTV isn’t giving us the Cincy feed. Lame

  66. Y-City Jim

    While he has limited talent, the Reds could benefit from Bobby Livingston being the #5 starter. His overachieving attitude would be so welcome on this team. It would be infectious that Dusty might adopt him and put him in the lead off spot.


  67. buddy

    That was a pretty sweet play by Cabrera.

  68. Ron

    Oh its ok Buddy, I know that everytime I have called for someone to get canned, demoted or otherwise, we usually end up watching that player for another couple starts. I was just being realistic with the way the Reds do player movements. It wouldnt surprise me at all to see Homer run back out there a couple of more times.

  69. buddy

    Jim, Where is Livingston these days?

  70. Y-City Jim

    I think the Indians or the Mets would deal for a Bailey in a heart beat. Carl Willis or Rick Peterson would have Bailey’s flaws fixed in a relatively short amount of time.

  71. al

    the guy i’ll keep calling for in the 5th spot is affeldt. talk about not really getting a shot. his stuff looks really good. i’d be willing to wager that he could give us 5IP of 4.5 ERA ball every time out, and that’s lightyears beyond what we’ve been getting out of our 5th spot.

  72. Y-City Jim

    Livingston is starting to rehab somewhere. Still a ways away from pitching at the MLB level yet.

    Cabby with the Concepcion-type throw to first except he four hopped it.

  73. mhopp

    Good point Al, better than the current slop pitching

  74. Y-City Jim

    Affeldt certainly has stuff good enough for the #5 spot. It gives them the lefty they supposedly want in the rotation.

  75. al

    talking about yesterday’s game, and the “culture of winning” that the reds need to develop to win those. I can’t think that moviing griffey is going to be part of that, as much as i like the guy.

    grounding into that double play in the eighth when we easily could have tied it or gone ahead was so terrible. and to show no emotion about it, i know that’s his style, and i respect it, but i just don’t think it sends the right message to the young guys on the team.

    in the big leagues, it is NOT ok do ground into that double play in that situation, and you should be pissed off when you do.

  76. al

    sorry that last post wasn’t clear, meant to say that i have to think that moving griffey will be a part of bringing winning back, as much as i like the guy.

  77. al

    sorry that last post wasn’t clear, meant to say that i have to think that moving griffey will be a part of bringing winning back, as much as i like the guy.

  78. mhopp

    Jim, what is the history of Justin Lehr? Has he ever been in the majors? Josh Roenockie (reliever) is pitching well at AAA if that makes anyone feel better.

  79. Y-City Jim

    If Dusty ever manages again, the signing club should include a “no ex-Cubs” clause in the contract. Double switch to get his second love Bako in the game.

  80. Y-City Jim

    Lehr had 66 MLB games to his credit with Oakland and Milwaukee. Of course, he was sold to Korea, which was a smart move by the Reds.

  81. buddy

    Al, Sadly i’m starting to think the same thing in regards to Griffey. Like I said earlier, it really is sort of a tragedy if you consider how few players actually CHOOSE Cincinnati as a destination, which Kenny did, regardless of what part Leatherpants thinks he played in the trade.

  82. Y-City Jim

    Not Springsteen. Not Steinbrenner. But Bob “The Boss” Castellini in the booth. Hey, Bob! Fire your hitting and pitching coaches.

  83. Y-City Jim

    Strike out to walk ratio is the biggest concern with Josh Roenicke.

  84. Y-City Jim

    Has anyone ever run an analysis of how much better Junior and Dunn would have hit if there had been no shift in place?

  85. Y-City Jim

    In light of the Heidi Watney reference earlier, I think the Reds should go with an all female broadcasting team.


  86. buddy

    Speaking of where are they now? Whatever happened to Jose Acevedo?

  87. mhopp

    I must have missed that, I heard Shearn left but I didn’t know Lehr left too. Yes, control seems to be issue with Roenicke. The Bats seem to have a winning attitude even though many of their star players are in the MLB (Bruce, Votto, Bailey, etc.) and seem to have a drive that the Reds do not. I can’t help but go back to poor leadership/examples and management as the center of the problem. I can’t wait until heads start to roll…look at last year 1st half vs. second half after people were fired

  88. Y-City Jim

    Acevedo last pitched September 29, 2005 for the Rockies.

  89. buddy

    Thats right eyeliner Acevedo went to the Rockies. I’m guessing he’s selling used cars at this point.

  90. Mike Martz

    9 to zip, I can’t take it anymore. I guess I’ll wait some nascar….later all

  91. buddy

    Ugly is right but the all female broadcasting team would be a hoot even for just one day…We’d definately make ESPN that night for sure.

  92. buddy

    In fact I knew this game was gonna be ugly the minute I saw Beckett vs. Bailey.

  93. Phill

    Is it just me or is Cincinnati just as stupidly impatient as Castellini?

    Everyone wants a youth movement but you’ve got these young guys like Bailey and Votto and EE who actually get booed. It’s extremely pathetic and rather disheartening as a fan. It actually drives me away from attending more games. I don’t go to games to boo a rookie for making a rookie mistake or a pitcher that just can’t get the bunt down.It makes me wonder why any player would want to sign with this team.

  94. Y-City Jim

    Reds fans leave a lot to be desired. No wonder opposing team fans show up at GABP in such large numbers.

  95. buddy

    Though I’ve been booing Bailey this whole thread, I do agree with you Phill that booing Bailey, our troubled rookie, vocally at GABP is not very classy, especially in front of the whole RedSox nation. If anything people should be booing Dusty and the coaches for thinking he stood a chance in hell of not getting creamed today.

  96. Y-City Jim

    I think most of us understand that Bailey is very young and has lacked much in the way of sound tutoring in his brief professional career. If you are going to draft high school pitchers then an organization has to have sound coaching from the ground up.

  97. Y-City Jim

    This line-up can ill afford Bako.

  98. mhopp

    Looks like Bruce is learning how not to hit too, guess it’s contagious

  99. Y-City Jim

    I hope the Reds rebound and kick the crap out of the Dodgers.

  100. Y-City Jim

    Jacoby can teach even the best how to not hit. His motto to hitters must be to swing at the first pitch.

  101. Y-City Jim

    While I hate the Red Sox for spending mega bucks to build a winner, they have to be given some credit for developing some of their own players.

  102. Y-City Jim

    Casey given the big ovation. Imagine if he had done steroids. Probably would have hit .400.

  103. mhopp

    I wonder if Crusty is tell them when to hit? You know how much control he likes to have…Jacoby was a good fundamental hitter but never had a lot of talent when he played the game. Would be nice to see Jr. go to TB and would make sense with his family there and an AL team!

  104. buddy

    Booing Bailey and cheering Casey is sort of strange bi-polar behavior. Maybe 9 years of losing can do that to ya…

  105. Y-City Jim

    If that Casey trade story is true then Krivsky and Narron are the two biggest jerks on the planet and Castellini isn’t far behind them.

  106. AnnapolisRed

    Just an FYI, but Dick Pole is Volquez’s pitching coach too. Maybe we don’t have good players? The same people complaining about Bailey today are the same people crying for him to come up. I have never been impressed by Bailey. Not by his stuff and certainly not by his makeup. I think Cueto is twice the prospect he is. He at least competes.

    By the way, entering today the Reds are hitting .203 in June, far and away the worst batting average in the major leagues.

    For those of you complaining about not getting FSN check TBS, it is the Game of the Week.

  107. Y-City Jim

    The one claiming that his trade notification was a 45 second phone conversation with Krivsky and Narron. Thommy Boy and Welsh just pointed out that the story cannot be true because Krivsky wasn’t even GM yet.

  108. Y-City Jim

    While it will never happen, imagine the impact that a Leo Mazzone could have if he came on as the Reds pitching coach.

  109. mhopp

    Good grief Jim you are dreaming now…I guess it’s okay to dream a little dream but lets keep it realistic here. Too bad Mario Soto is not the full-time pitching coach…think that’s possible?

  110. Y-City Jim

    Thank goodness that tomorrow is an off day.

  111. mhopp

    Burton is the bomb…too bad Crusty wasn’t smart enough to bring him in yesterday instead of Lincoln. Yes I’m blaming the manager again, he’s just awful. Bob Boone didn’t have the raw talent this team has. Several good decisions from the manager and some good coaching…this team could easily be above .500

  112. AnnapolisRed

    God couldn’t fix some of the Reds pitchers. We have been through five managers in five years. It isn’t always the coaches. Trust me, I think Dusty Baker has made some boneheaded moves, but last year we had a good manager in Pete M and everybody couldn’t wait to get rid of him.

  113. buddy

    O I see…yea Im stuck with the NESN feed…although it is in HD and then of course there’s what’s her name. Leo or Dave Duncan….

  114. Y-City Jim

    I don’t know if being a full time pitching coach is something Soto is interested in. Coaching at the MLB level isn’t a real attractive profession.

  115. AnnapolisRed

    Pete McMakin was the one manager not afraid of taking Griffey out of the line-up.

  116. buddy

    Well that was truely pathetic. Fun thread though, thanks guys. Later

  117. mhopp

    I know what’s going on…the Reds are trying to play bad so they can rid the team of ole’ Jr. and his rocking chair since they know he wants to play for a contender!! Corey Outterson is just a decoy! Dusty Baker really isn’t that stupid and CP really doesn’t suck that bad…it’s some kind of conspiracy ๐Ÿ˜ฏ

  118. LVW

    I’d like to see Bailey shorten his armswing a little and not bring his hand so far down. I think it will improve his command(it’s just not there right now).

  119. Y-City Jim

    I would like to see someone teach Homer how to analyze his own performance. There comes a time where a player has to take control of their performance.

  120. mhopp

    Ben Jukich is pitching for Lookouts at 5:30 so hopefully his success will continue and Thompson was back in form last night so there is some hope. Jim, do you know the history of Ben Jukich?

  121. Mike

    Since Dusty’s signed for three years and Castellini is not going to eat that contract yet, the next move is to fire Pole, hire Soto, and put Bailey in relief and to work on his breaking pitches. And then try Affeldt as the 5th. starter.

  122. Y-City Jim

    Jukich was the PTBNL in the Denorfia trade with Oakland. He pitched college ball in South Dakota.

    What if we were to give Dick Pole the benefit of the doubt and determine that the number of young arms makes it too big of a job for ONE pitching coach. maybe the Reds need co-pitching coaches, each with their own arms to work with. Just a thought. In many ways though, Pole looks too old and tired to do the job.

  123. AnnapolisRed

    If he gets the blame for Bailey, does he get credit for Volquez? You can’t have it both ways.

  124. Y-City Jim

    I thought Soto was getting credit for Volquez.