Josh Fogg vs. Carlos Zambrano. Let’s just say I’m hoping for the best out of tonight’s game, but I’m not extremely optimistic.

Then again, we had Harang vs. Dempster yesterday, so maybe it’s our turn.

Discuss it here….

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103 Responses

  1. BenL

    Okay, Dunn is leading MLB in walks, but he hasn’t been hitting, right? Maybe it’s time for Dusty to move him up to 3rd in the order temporarily so he gets thrown a few more strikes. That might get him jump started. At the very least his walks wouldn’t be as likely to go to waste.

  2. ChicagoRedsFan

    Not looking good for Fogg – the wind is blowing out with wind gusts up to 40 mph…

  3. slattspub

    Nice night at wrigley wind blowing out maybe it will help against zambrano

  4. Jared

    What was the point of skipping Fogg yesterday if he’s pitching today?

  5. Jared

    Watching Patterson play in CF makes me realize how hard Freel made it look.

  6. Chris

    Fogg is terrible. How soon can Belisle get here?

    Fukydome is going to single. No chance he hits into that DP.

  7. Jared

    Fogg hits Ramirez to load the bases with 1 out, now 2-0 to Fukudome

  8. Chris

    I’ve already had it with this bunch.

  9. DevilsAdvocate

    Fogg is terrible. How soon can Belisle get here?

    Exactly what I just arrived to say. Yeesh.

  10. Jared

    What a perfect time for non-blackout games to finally come on. :

  11. Chris

    Oh, Dick Pole finally makes an appearance? Why can’t that guy get out of the dugout before games are out of reach?

    At least Brandon Phillips is having a good time.

  12. Chris

    They’re going to score 100 tonight, the way he’s throwing. I swear.

  13. DevilsAdvocate

    Fogg suddenly reminds me of Eric Milton – albeit less expensive. A free agent signee who inspires low expectations and an optimistic upside of league-average, who nevertheless disappoints mightily.

  14. Chris

    Brandon Phillips trying to hit a 5 run HR.

  15. Chris

    Thom and Welsh, to their credit, are noting that Dunn is walking a lot, which (1) helps the team while he’s slumping, and (2) is the result of the Cubs pitching around him.

  16. Chris

    Cheapo hit for EE. Now maybe Votto can start heating up.

  17. DevilsAdvocate

    A hit falls in for Edwin and his average is over the Mendoza line!

  18. Chris

    Good Lord.

    I was starting to type in how Dusty’s “be aggressive” advice to Votto resulted in a popup …. and next thing the ball is bouncing off the warning track.

    Big Z is throwing the ball all over the place, and the Reds are hacking. I don’t think they’ve swung at a struke yet.

    Idiotic baserunning from EE.

  19. DevilsAdvocate

    Votto’s already heated. He enters tonight with a BA over .300.

  20. Chris

    At least Votto got to 3rd. Nice running for him.

  21. Chris W.

    I’m already tired of watching bad baseball..

  22. Y-City Jim

    What did Fogg do different this inning?

  23. DevilsAdvocate

    Different? He threw the ball where their bats weren’t. Also, bottom of the order + the leadoff hitter he was able to retire the first time around.

  24. DevilsAdvocate

    Phillips takes three pitches in a row, all strikes. Stop the presses!

  25. Chris

    He swung right through 3 in a row last time, so at least he’s trying something different. 😡

  26. RedRedMan

    I hope they make Fogg finish this entire game.

  27. mhopp

    Digging an early grave are the Reds. Seems like Mccrakin did as good or better than Baker.

  28. DevilsAdvocate

    The ever-folksy and astute Jeff Brantley: “You can tell that Josh Fogg is not comfortable with what he brought to the party tonight.”

  29. CeeKeR

    Fogg’s pretty stellar. How about the Reds pay me league minimum and I pitch. I’m pretty sure I can’t do any worse. 7-1 Cubs…no outs, runners on 2nd and 3rd.

  30. mhopp

    I think I’ll go to Louiville and watch the Bats play.

  31. Chris W.

    I’m starting to think that my Sunday trip to cincy may be more of a punishment than a reward for my baseball players.

  32. Y-City Jim

    Fogg should have a Majewski type ERA after this one.

  33. CeeKeR

    Even Zambrano’s hitting….

    Is it time to think the Reds might not be any good this year? The whole “it’s early” thing is wearing thin now.

  34. Y-City Jim

    Krivsky sure can sign some losers.

  35. Chris

    At least I get to see Harang on Sunday.

  36. Y-City Jim

    On a positive note, Jay Bruce had a great game today.

  37. Y-City Jim

    What is the freakin’ problem between Lincoln and Valentin?

  38. Chris W.

    This is shaping up to be one of those games where a position player gets some mound time.

  39. DevilsAdvocate

    Good point, Chris W. Reds have no long relievers. I can’t remember the last Reds position player to pitch – did Freel ever get the chance?

  40. Y-City Jim

    Maybe EE could pitch. That sinker might be effective on the mound tonight.

  41. Y-City Jim

    Maybe this team needs a good bench clearing brawl.

  42. Chris W.

    EE would be deceiving with all of the different arm angles he could deliver it from.

  43. Chris W.

    Maybe we need a brawl between Fogg and Valentin. Worked for the Cubs last year. I’d like to see Valentin walk up to Fogg and start pointing all over the field in reaction to all the hits Fogg has given up.

  44. DevilsAdvocate

    Ha! Edwin fools the Reds’ first baseman all the time…

    Looks like it was Lenny Harris in 1998. Threw a 1-2-3 inning with a strikeout.

  45. Chris

    Take a look at what Eddie Priest and Weathers did in that game. I totally forgot Weathers’ first stint as a Red. Blocked it out, I guess.

  46. Chris W.

    Last season, or maybe 2 seasons ago, the Reds had a minor leaguer come in in relief late in a game or extra innings and pitched something like 2 or 3 scoreless innings and picked up the win. I’ll see if I can’t dig up that DOTF or player.

  47. Chris W.

    That comment by Welsh needs to be delivered to the dugout. We’ll treat the team like a group of little leaguers and incite them with a mustache shaving.

  48. DevilsAdvocate

    Wasn’t that the guy that was then converted to pitching full-time, Chris W.? Asadoorian?

  49. Y-City Jim

    My lord! Affeldt struck out the side!

  50. DevilsAdvocate

    By the way, looking at Eddie Priest’s line (who?) from that 1998 game, Jack McKeon knew he was Done after just 5 batters. Those were the days. Tonight Fogg was allowed to face 16 batters, getting 5 more outs than Priest at a cost of 5 more runs.

  51. Chris W.

    It was Asadoorian. He now pitches for the Jacksonville Suns. Here is a brief profile:

    Batted .267 with 4 HR and 29 RBI in 99 gameswith Double-A Chattanooga…from 4/11-5/4 was on the disabled list with a right oblique strain…didn’t allow a run in any of his 3 pitching appearances (4ip, 4h, 0bb,7k)…on 7/5 at West Tenn, made his pro pitching debut and earned the 8-6 victory as he fired 2.0 scoreless innings of relief (5k)…will work exclusively as a pitcherbeginning in 2007.

  52. Y-City Jim

    Patterson approaching the Mendoza line.

  53. Chris

    Who will make the most “it was the wind” excuses?

    A. Fogg
    B. Fay
    C. McCoy
    D. Baker

  54. BenL

    Hopefully some day we’ll see Fukudome face Asadoorian in the most humorously-named at bat ever.

  55. Y-City Jim

    Coutlangus facing Fukudome would be the at bat with the most snickering.

  56. DevilsAdvocate

    Silver lining – in a whuppin’ like this, Brantley and Brennaman get slap-happy and just joke around on topics unrelated to baseball, instead of endlessly beating down on the various Reds that aren’t executing.

  57. GregD

    At least I don’t have to stay up late tonight. What’s happened to the pitching the last 3 games?

  58. CeeKeR

    At least we have a 40 million dollar closer *snicker snicker*


  59. GregD

    DA, you mean they aren’t blaming Dunn and Encarnacion for tonight’s loss?

  60. DevilsAdvocate

    Like I said – slap-happy. In fact, Brantley praised Edwin’s plate approach earlier. (contrite after the ‘clutch’ debacle?)

    Here’s a role for David Weathers that I can support.

  61. GregD

    Affeldt wanted to be a starter this year and he can’t go more than 2 innings in a game where the team needs someone to step up and eat some innings??

  62. DevilsAdvocate

    Hopper’s hitting over .300? When did that happen?

  63. Chad

    Keppinger knocks in Votto, who had doubled. The comeback is on.

  64. Chad

    Is it just me, or does Votto look much more confident at the plate tonight. He might be ready to break out.

  65. TylerS

    Jay Bruce pulled after the 6th tonight in Louisville after going 3-3 with a 3B and HR. think something is in the works?

  66. Chris

    Keppinger looks great when he’s getting base hits, but remarkably feeble when he swings and misses. The other guy most like that was Barry Larkin.

  67. Chad

    Kent Mercker is getting kicked around now. Zambrano just crushed that one.

  68. Chris

    Is it just me, or are the Cubs slugging about 2.500 with 2 strikes tonight?

  69. Chris

    Fogg had everybody 0-2, then found a way to give up a double. Big Z was down 1-2 before clobbering that double.

  70. Chris

    Huhuh, you said “hard on.”

    But no. He certainly sucks. I’d be fine with even a 5.00 ERA out of his spot — 5 IP and 3 ER every time — but he’s not even close.

  71. ChicagoRedsFan

    They definitely need to shake up things. I’d bring up Bellisle, Bruce, and Hairston/Cabrera, move Fogg to long relief; and send EE (it worked last year), Lincoln (unfortunately can’t cut Fogg), and Hopper down to Louisville.

  72. DevilsAdvocate

    Marty just had the most amazing, enjoyable rant I’ve ever heard on WLW. Probably because his target was Cubs fans. “Quite honestly, this is the kind of behavior that makes you want to see this Cubs team lose. And so typical of Cubs fans.

  73. Chris

    EE needs to stick around. Otherwise you’re playing Ryan Freel every day. As Baker said today (Fay’s blog), as EE goes, so go the Reds.

    Why can’t Fogg be cut?

  74. Chris

    I’m not sure it matters, BenL. Who’s going to sign that lump?

  75. ChicagoRedsFan

    I hope that they trade Hatteberg.. He doesn’t seem to be a good fit as a back-up/pinch hitter. If they wait too long to trade him, his value will most likely go down if he’s still hitting under .200. They should get it done soon, cash in on a couple of prospects, and plug in Votto at first base everyday.

  76. Kerm

    I think the behavior is referring to the throwing of baseballs on the field after Dunner’s blast

  77. ChicagoRedsFan

    Chris – I didn’t realize that Fogg was only making $400K; I was thinking it was around $3M. They should cut Fogg and keep Lincoln when Bellisle returns.

  78. Matt B.

    If the Reds are willing to eat $3.5 million from Stanton, then they sure as hell could cut Fogg if they wanted to.