Saw mention of this article over on Redlegs Rant, from USA Today:

New Reds manager Dusty Baker says Cordero’s addition strengthens the entire bullpen because 2007 closer David Weathers will move into an eighth-inning setup role along with lefty Mike Stanton and hard-throwing Jared Burton, a Rule 5 draft pick from Oakland in 2006 who had a 1.83 ERA in 36 appearances after the ’07 All-Star break.

Stanton? STANTON??? Is he freakin’ kidding me? Has he bothered to check Stanton’s stats from last year?

I don’t even want Stanton going to ST with the team, much less making the team and being used in close games in the 8th inning.

Why in the world would you use Stanton before someone like Bill Bray or Jon Coutlangus?

Oh yeah, he’s a wily veteren, that’s the reason.

I’ve been a Reds fan since the late ’60’s, with my luck of being able to attend plenty of games at Riverfront during the BRM era. I was sitting in the Green Seats in the OF when Pete came home in ’84 and was in the Red seats when Glenn Braggs reached over the fence in ’90 to beat the Pirates. I have had many favorites from Jim Maloney to Johnny Bench, Barry Larkin, Adam Dunn, and Jay Bruce.

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  1. Must be a misprint. Certainly he meant Majewski.

  2. Bray will be there, count on it.

  3. This blog is getting ridiculous. You guys sit back and take pot shots at Baker from the moment he interviews with no basis whatsoever. You rip every Krivsky move he makes, despite the fact that each one has improved the team this offseason.

    I know you’re trying to be objective and look to the future, but you guys are losing perspective. Baker has a solid track record, has turned around prior teams he took over, and has won with the players he inherited. In the past, that has meant veteran teams. This year, he has a young team. He hasn’t even taken the field in a Reds uniform yet – give him a break!

    The glass is half-full!!!

  4. mebbe stanton will be punished for a very long time….
    for steroids..

  5. Stanton’s had bad years before and rebounded nicely the next. There’s no reason to think he can’t do it again. Last year’s performance is just the type of thing he’d use as motivation to do better this year.

    The guy knows how to pitch; he wouldn’t have lasted in the major leagues 20 years if he didn’t. Bray and Coutlangus haven’t even come close yet to earning the kind of trust he has over the course of his career.

    It’s a new year, and everyone starts with a clean slate. Put the torches and pitchforks down and give the guy another chance. He’s earned the right to it.

  6. To be fair, Ted, complaints that Stanton shouldn’t be considered for late-inning duty aren’t overreacting. The guy was terrible last year no matter what your favorite statistic is: WHIP, ERA+, et cetera.

  7. Saying “get rid of Stanton” is not taking a pot shot at Baker or Krivsky. The guy is terrible, with or without the PED issue. Period. Especially considering you have some hope from the left side in that bullpen right now. I like Weathers a lot, but having one guy his age being considered a pillar is worrisome, two guys is downright scary. And for the record, I have been in favor of most of the moves the team has made this offseason. This is one that should be a no brainer, however. Stanton is taking up roster space and that is it.

  8. This is the first hard evidence I’ve seen that Baker has his head up his ass. More to follow, I’m sure.

  9. Look, I agree whole-heartedly about Stanton. However, you have to look at the source of that info. A report in USA Today that isn’t even a quote by Baker. Just a reporter writing down the names of last year’s bullpen. Stanton will get a shot and then be tossed aside soon enough.

    The issue I take is the little cheap shot at the end of the post about “wily veteran.” Another back-handed rip on Baker’s managerial style.

    For a bunch of so-called Reds fans, you guys are the most pessimistic bunch I have seen. The Baker, Cordero and Volquez moves put the Reds in a position to win the Central. However, your constant analysis has convinced you that we are on the road to the celler. We need to pray for no major injuries, an emerging starting pitcher (3 good options), and a mid-season pitching trade to get us to the stretch. We are right there. Those three things put us over the top.

  10. While it’s not a direct quote…the article does say “Dusty Baker says…”, which means that it was Baker that used the name, not the article’s author making up a list of names from the roster. The only possible reason I can think of for Baker to say this is Bray and Coutlangus are young guys and Baker didn’t know their names, but he did know Stanton’s.

    And I defy you to show one editor of this blog that has said the Reds are “headed to the cellar”. Maybe there is one, but I sure can’t think of an instance when one of us said this.

    Baker’s track record is that he prefers veterans. That’s a fact, not a cheap shot. I believe Baker is the wrong manager for a young team…and will continue to believe this until I’m proven wrong.

    As for Stanton recovering this year…it’s possible, but I sure don’t believe he’ll be more effective than Bray and doubt he’ll be more effective than Coutlangus. He’s 40 years old and had his worst year (ERA+ & WHIP) since his second year in the majors. Why should I believe he’s going to pitch well this year?

  11. In re: Ted

    I don’t think it’s so much a matter of pessimism and naysaying, just surprise that Baker would have Stanton pencilled in at this point to be the 8th inning lefty – after the year Stanton had and after the PED thing. Even aside from Stanton’s total collapse last year, it’s entirely possible he’ll get hammered with a lengthy suspension after the Mitchell Report depending on the veracity of the allegations made against him. He just doesn’t seem like the kind of guy a contender should count on to play such an important role.

  12. I don’t see how he can be hammered with a lengthy suspension, when he was one of a half-dozen people named in the report with absolutely zero evidence against him. No money order, no shipping label, no phone record, no name in Radomski’s address book, nothing.

    There was no corroborating testimony from other witnesses. Grimsely, his former teammate, didn’t name him. He wasn’t named in the Radomski affidavit. McNamee created a workout program for him based on the one Clemens used (adapted for a reliever). Stanton, Clemens and Pettitte were all friends; you’d think if they were using drugs, with the belief that they could never be caught, Stanton might have had McNamee get them for him too. But McNamee didn’t name him.

    All you have is the word of Radomski (a sleazy, convicted drug dealer) versus Stanton (who’s had an impeccable record both on and off the field and, over the last 20 years, has earned a reputation for being a well-respected, stand-up guy).

    Any suspension Selig tries to impose on him is going to be taken before an arbitrator. With no conclusive evidence of any kind to back up the allegation, they’ve got nothing to suspend him on.

  13. again – “depending on the veracity of the allegations against him”

  14. I think the wily veteran comment voices frustration of true fans seeing various moves that have taken place (see Cormier, Hollandsworth, ect) It is hard not to be a bit worried about the youth being blocked when we have been faced with that all too often.

  15. By the way, Ted, posting mostly losing records for the past 15 years in what is typically one of baseball’s weakest divisions does allow people the luxury of being pessimistic. As I was against the Dusty Baker hiring yet a fan of the Hamilton trade, I don’t think that’s destructively pessimistic, just healthily cynical.

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About Bill Lack

I've been a Reds fan since the late '60's, with my luck of being able to attend plenty of games at Riverfront during the BRM era. I was sitting in the Green Seats in the OF when Pete came home in '84 and was in the Red seats when Glenn Braggs reached over the fence in '90 to beat the Pirates. I have had many favorites from Jim Maloney to Johnny Bench, Barry Larkin, Adam Dunn, and Jay Bruce.

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