Leave it to the Cardinals to quash any remaining enthusiasm we had as Reds fans. At this point, is there any reason we should pay attention to this season?

I imagine Joey Votto will be promoted after Louisville’s AAA season ends, but even that will leave a bitter taste since the management of this poorly-run franchise will have wasted an opportunity to give Votto 30 or 40 extra days of major league experience. Leaving Votto in AAA for August likely didn’t hurt him, but it certainly didn’t help him. Instead, Votto will get that MLB experience at the beginning of next season, when the Reds will be pretending again that they have a chance to compete. Wasted opportunity.

I’m almost past the point of caring. The Reds are going to finish under .500 for the 8th straight season. I have almost no hope that this current streak of incompetence will end next season.

I’ve tried to stay positive, but I’ve been beaten down by this team. I will watch the game today, and I might even discuss it here in the game thread. But I am quickly losing hope in this franchise…and not just for 2007, but beyond. It is a tough time to be a Reds fan.

Do any of you have any thoughts?

36 Responses

  1. GregD

    I’ve assumed they were out of it ever since they lost 6 in a row to Pittsburgh and Washington earlier this year.

    And here’s the frustrating thing, some of the guys that the media calls “the future” would do better than the guys called “the present”. Other clubs figure it out and call up their prospects, even in the middle of pennant races. Bruce, Votto, and some of the better relievers like Coutlangus, McBeth, Salmon all spend a month or two too long in AAA.

  2. DevilsAdvocate

    Good start, leadoff double for Hamilton. What’re the head-to-head stats for him and Ankiel now?

  3. DevilsAdvocate

    Ha ha, Eckstein cut down at home!

  4. DevilsAdvocate

    Cincinnati Reds

    Hamilton, cf
    Keppinger, ss
    Griffey, rf
    Phillips, 2b
    Dunn, lf
    Hatteberg, 1b
    Encarnacíon, 3b
    Ross, c
    Arroyo, p

  5. DevilsAdvocate

    Ross was going pretty well before his concussion, getting his average nicely above .200. Now that he’s back, he’ll need to get back on track if he wants it to stay there – down to .204 now.

  6. DevilsAdvocate

    It’s quite a dilemma, eh willy?

    It’s like, I love the Reds, yet I don’t really like them. Conundrum.

  7. DevilsAdvocate

    That linedrive foul ball that hit Juan Encarnacion on Friday night – went from scary (hit flush in the face) to maybe-not-so-bad (walked off the field under his own power) to career-threatening (multiple fractures, eye itself was ‘seriously injured’).

  8. DevilsAdvocate

    What are the rules of the RN spam filter on comments? I’d like to know so I can avoid using links that are going to shuttle my post into neverland, like just now.

  9. DevilsAdvocate

    Brantley gets off a good one. “Swing and a miss, [chuckling] that was a Bugs Bunny pitch if I’ve ever seen one. That ball stopped in midair and Edmonds was all the way done with his swing before the pitch got halfway to the plate.”

    Gameday showed the pitch as 67mph out of his hand, and 61mph by the time it got to the plate.

  10. DevilsAdvocate

    Adam Dunn a diving catch to save two runs!

    Scoreless through 5.

  11. DevilsAdvocate

    Brandon, please take a 1st pitch every once in a while. Please.

  12. DevilsAdvocate

    I’d say that puts Ankiel ahead of Hamilton in the head-to-head individual matchup. HR, 1-0 STL.

  13. Chad

    I kept waiting for the other shoe to drop on Arroyo, and he’s given up a couple of runs now. Still two guys on base.

    And the Majewk Man warming up.

  14. Tom

    Wow, Majewski is up in the pen. We must still be in a pennant race. 🙂

  15. DevilsAdvocate

    Well, that was awful. The new pitcher (lefty Bray) and new third baseman (Keppinger over from ss to replace Edwin) both fall asleep and let the runner steal third while the pitcher was looking for the sign. Brains! Get some!

    Pays off immediately with a sacrifice fly. 3-0.

  16. DevilsAdvocate

    St. Louis Ryan Franklin, I dislike you even more than I disliked Cincinnati Ryan Franklin.

  17. DevilsAdvocate

    Don’t fail us now, Keppinger. 2nd & 3rd 1 out? Drive them in.

  18. abner

    Ah. Keppinger to break up the shut out.

  19. DevilsAdvocate

    Nice. 3-1 and primed for more. Keep it going Griffey, nail Franklin.

  20. Max

    My thoughts Chad are that you should become a Yankee fan. Building this franchise was obviously going to take time when Krivsky took over, and that hasn’t changed. If you didn’t realize that, than you’re a naive baseball fan.

    If you can’t see progress in this organization, you’re either clueless or you’re not watching. Between 30-40 of our minor leaguers have been promoted since the beginning of the season. That’s not counting the ones promoted during the off-season. Did you know that fact?

    That Chad, is progress. Krivsky has accelerated the process of rebuilding this team with several acquisitions. Namely Phillips, Arroyo, Hamilton, Burton, Bray, Keppinger, Maloney, and a number of other minor league prospects.

    I’m sure though that you don’t understand how a small-market team must be built, so I suggest you go root for the Yankees.

  21. DevilsAdvocate

    That’s a good start – singles by Dunn and Hatteberg to lead off the ninth. Down just two . . . If only Edwin were still in the game to drive them in. Instead it’s Norris Hopper who is not in a bunting situation.

  22. DevilsAdvocate

    A ball out of the infield! Sac. fly gets one run, at least. 3-2. So LLM can be the hero here.

  23. abner

    Hmmm. the first best use of Ellison I’ve seen. Pinch Running for Hatte.

  24. DevilsAdvocate

    Once again, an ugly game with a poor result. 3-2 final. Is this what progress looks like?

  25. Tom

    I’m sure glad that we didn’t have to watch a bunch rookies like Bruce and Votto lose games with sloppy play like that for us in this pennant race. 🙂

  26. Chad

    Thanks for the condescension, Max. Seven more losses to clinch an 8th straight losing season. Yep, the outlook is rosy!

    Certainly, there are things to be excited about, but the performance of the front office lessens any hope we have of seeing the franchise move forward.

    And did you really say that the fact that minor leaguers have been promoted is a sign of the organization’s progress? Ha! The Devil Rays have promoted a bunch of people, too.

    Now cut out the condescension, or take it to a Yankees blog.

  27. john

    Could not have said it any better myself Max.

  28. daedalus


    I think we should all get some award for being bigger fans than the typical. We are the heart and soul of this team, the ones who are the most upset when they fail us, which seems to be time and time again.

    I’m done for the season. I can’t continue to watch a team that has such potential but has a management that continues to throw it away, that is clueless, that even I could manage better. The fact that Votto and some of the others who could have actually helped make a final run, or even just have gotten experience, were not up here sometime in August shows that management is NOT committed to winning and would rather focus on arbitration clocks and cheap ass jason ellisons and other people who have no business in major league uniforms – it tells me that they don’t care about me, the good fan, so i won’t care to watch the rest of the season. I am sick and tired of it, and it just kills me that this fill in manager is just as idiotic as any other we’ve had since McKeon virtually took us to the playoffs in ’99. I am sick of Wayne Krivsky, sick of Pete Mackanin, and I guess you could say I am sick of Bob Castellini. He may be a Reds fan, but he doesn’t have a clue how to win, and he doesn’t seem to be putting forth any effort in trying.

    And this is me, Daedalus, the always positive one, saying this. I am pissed. I am pissed about calling up Dumatrait instead of some young gun; I am pissed that Cantu got called up and Votto did not; I am pissed that Josh Hamilton sat twice in a doubleheader while Norris Hopper and Cantu started twice and freaking Jason Ellison started once.

    I wish Bob read the blogs. Baseball isn’t just soulless corporatism, Bob. It defines some of us, defines our childhoods, defines our memories with our own children. It is part of the soul of America, and the Cincinnati Reds aren’t just some Devil Rays expansion bullshit. We’ve won more World Series than every team in baseball aside from the Yankees and that hideous team that swept us this weekend. (And technically Boston, though everyone was riding around on horse and buggies when they won their first five.)

    I’m sick of it Bob.

    And that comment about becoming a Yankees fan makes me sick. I hate frontrunners more than anyone. Go back to the hole where you came from, faux fan. I hate when people say “Krivsky got Arroyo and Phillips and Hamilton and blah, blah, blah.” Have you checked the standings lately??? All of those players haven’t made this team a winner because Krivsky has failed to address the weaknesses. We’ve been in a freaking “rebuilding process” for freaking seven freaking years now!!!! Why the freak are you content with another freaking several freaking years of freaking rebuilding??? Take your money and go to Yankee Stadium. This is the type of complacent fan who is the reason we’ve been losing for seven years now. Pick another team – you obviously don’t care about this one. It drives me freaking crazy!!!!!!!~!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!1


  29. daedalus

    p.s. i guess my excessive freaks made that excessively long.

    but it represents my feelings!!

  30. Chad

    Oh my goodness, when the eternally positive Daedalus gives up, things are bad.

    But I understand….

  31. Y-City Jim

    It is time for some administrive house cleaning.

    Good bye, Krivsky – He wants to draft young talent but not play it.

    Good bye, Mackanin – He is as much of a line-up juggernaut as whoever that guy was that managed before him.

    Goodbye, Dick Pole – I don’t see what Greg Maddux saw in you. He must have been young and idealistic at the time.

    Good bye, Jacoby – You were mediocre and so was the hitting for the most part.

    Good bye, Guardado and Stanton – You have reached the end of the road. Time to move on.

  32. GregD

    Guardado was his own worst enemy. He tried to come back from surgery WAY too soon.

  33. GregD

    The news is over a month old, but I thought it was worth noting that Josh Hancock’s father dropped his lawsuit against Mike Shannon’s restaurant and released the following statement to ESPN:

    “The subject of my son’s death has been widely reported and discussed, as has my motivation to file the wrongful death lawsuit. Often, legal action has more to do with performing responsibilities and gaining control. This lawsuit was not filed for personal gain. Few know that Josh died without a Will, leaving multiple heirs in two separate families in different states. When I became the court appointed Administrator of his estate, I agreed to perform fiduciary responsibilities to protect the interests of his estate and all beneficiaries.

    “Information from the intense news coverage of Josh’s tragic death, facts about the accident and varying public statements from witnesses indicated that certain individuals and entities shared some degree of comparative negligence in the cause of Josh’s death.

    “The final investigation report recently issued by the Missouri Division of Alcohol and Tobacco Control (“ATC”) provided some insight into the events leading to Josh’s death. Considering all factual issues, combined with the prolonged legal battles which we would have to fight if this lawsuit were to continue, I have instructed that the defendants be dismissed from the lawsuit.

    “Josh was often quoted saying, ‘everything happens for the good.’ The ATC report confirms that since his death, bars and restaurants are now becoming even more focused on their responsibilities. I am certain that his death has caused many individuals to become more aware of personal responsibility. Additionally, a number of employers and groups are also examining and changing their alcohol policies.

    “It is my hope that public opinion will eventually have an even greater effect on public policy to emphasize the responsibilities of both those who consume alcohol and those who serve it.”

  34. Joe

    Y-City Jim has it right on. In the next seven months the Reds (are you listening Mr.Owner?) need a major housecleaning and overhaul if they are ever going to get to the top echelon of the NL.