From CNNSi:

Dunn is what you might call the leadoff man in what could be a thrilling time for trades.

Power is about the most sought-after skill right now, and Dunn has it an abundance. However, Dunn comes with a couple drawbacks, including the major question of where to play him. He’s a poor and indifferent outfielder, and a few teams are now considering whether to try to acquire Dunn as a first baseman, though one scout warned, “He’s terrible there. I wouldn’t use him at first base.”

Added one general manager, “I see him as more of an American League player and a DH.”

All three Southern California teams could have interest in Dunn, as could anyone else seeking power. Dunn, who’s making $10.5 million this season and has an option for $13 million next year (or a $500,000 buyout), is batting .250 with 15 home runs and 38 RBIs. While his power is elite, Dunn hasn’t hit in the clutch. He’s batting only .212 with runners in scoring position and .208 with runners on base.

Trading Dunn makes sense for the Reds, especially if they can get solid pitching in return — they have allowed the most runs in the National League this season. They are one of baseball’s most underachieving teams, and a bit of a shakeup could do them good, anyway.

This is all true, except it doesn’t address the contract issues that were put forth earlier.

If Dunn is traded, his $13 million club option for ‘08 will be voided, making him a free agent at the end of the season, according to a source with knowledge of his contract.

Thus, any team that acquired him likely would request a negotiating window to sign him long-term, rather than simply rent him for two or three months.

If the Reds keep Dunn and exercise his option after the season, he will gain full no-trade protection until next June 15. After that date, he could be traded to 10 clubs, but the list would be of his own choosing.

IMO, the long and short of it is, it’s going to be difficult to trade or trade for Adam Dunn unless you’re willing to make him a whopper of a deal in that short window that would be given before a trade is announced. If you don’t make him an overwhelming off, why would he agree to an extension?

21 Responses

  1. Chris

    This story is a bunch of “blah blah blah,” as far as I’m concerned. What are the Reds going to do with more pitching? Honestly. They have 3 guys chiseled in stone; Belisle looks good; and they don’t need to be trading for a guy to replace Lohse. And God help them if they trade for relievers again.

  2. Bill

    Chris, everything you say makes sense…but I just get the feeling that Dunn doesn’t fit into Krivsky’s “plan”.

  3. Shawn

    Peter Gammons was saying last night that Griffey and Dunn are on the block.

  4. Glenn

    Chris could be right, but then again this could be the real thing. I think something’s in the mix. Management has to do something about that bullpen. Its killing this team. That said, I’m also afraid that K in a DESPERATE attempt to do something will do the wrong thing. That could be a repeat of the Kearns/Lopez trade of last season.
    This is just one of those “hold your breath” moments. It could be a Morgan/ Billingham/Geronimo moment in Reds’ history or a Robinson for Pappas/Simpson moment. Will Wayne Krivsky turn out to be a Bob Howsam or a Dick Wagner?

  5. ChicagoRedsFan

    If they trade Dunn, it shouldn’t be for pitching (as Chris alluded to). The offense, specifically outfield and catcher, is what they’d need to address. I’m not very satisfied with Ross as the catcher.

    The starting pitching looks relatively set and the bullpen is bound to sort itself out eventually with all the youngsters (McBeth, Bray, Burton, Coutlangus, Sarloos, etc.). Perhaps they could get some more bullpen help by trading lesser/older players such as Conine, Hatteberg, LLM, etc.

  6. GodlyCynic

    Trading Dunn and Griffey also presents a new problem. For a team that has struggled to get fans in the stands for quite awhile, you need an entertaining face of the club to at least keep minimal interest during the rebuilding years. Dunn, if nothing else, is a great face of the franchise. Plus, he’s not what is wrong with the offense.

  7. Chris

    Trading Dunn makes no sense to the Reds. Acquiring Dunn makes a lot of sense to other clubs, which is why Peter Gammons is talking about it. I think GMs float this stuff to see if they can get critical mass rolling toward a trade.

    The problem with trading Dunn is that there’s no real spot to add value on this team — at least not by trading away your LF and adding pitching. There are several positions where the Reds have good, but not great players — 2b, SS (at least in Kriv’s mind), 3b (at least in Kriv’s mind), 1b (next season), plus Belisle and (in my mind) Arroyo.

    Dunn is a significant upgrade from the run of the mill LF. Griffey (to date), is the same in RF. So if you trade either one of those guys, and replace him with Norris Friggin’ Hopper or Conine or something your offense takes a big hit (and you have little-to-no long-term solution until Jay Bruce gets here).

    And where do you upgrade? You’re not getting a power bat back, obviously (if the Padres had one, they wouldn’t need Dunn). If you get a starting pitcher, who do you bump? If you get a position player, where do you put him?

    That leaves one place for an upgrade: The bullpen. And I really, really think (and hope and pray) that Wayne Krivsky learned his lesson last year.

    Finally – I think Kriv is very unlikely to make a “panic” move this year. He knows the season is shot, no matter how much the media talks about “making a run” and “7.5 games out of third” or whatever. He doesn’t need to add more arms to that bullpen mix — he, and Jerry Narron need to sort out what they have, so they can go into next year with something reliable.

  8. ChicagoRedsFan

    I think the only way trading Dunn would make any sense is if you package him with another starter (such as EE) as part of a blockbuster trade that’d bring back position players in return and rehaul the roster. That most likely won’t happen though.

  9. Tom

    If Dunn is traded, let’s get a good defensive righthanded hitting outfielder and a young pitching prospect. Griffey will stay for the time being to get his 600th. home run as a Red.

  10. Justin

    As for trading Dunn….What can we get in return for him. He is appealing to other teams yes that is very true. He would be a rental and certainly become amongst the Free Agents in the off season. Which teams would want him and have a core of players that they would send to the Reds. The Angels have glut of youngsters that they would n ot want to move. Chone Figgins would be a nice piece in return with Ervin Santana whom the Angels always try to trade. I think I could live with that swap actually.

  11. snake

    It all depends on whether Dunn is in their long term plans. If he’s not, I just hope they get compensated generiously upon his departure.

    The Dodgers would be a good trading partner. Billingsley, Broxton, Kemp, La Roche, Kershaw, Loney….a couple of those guys would be nice. I’ve heard some rumors but I don’t have my hopes up.

  12. Justin

    Dodgers would be nice but they wont move most of their young relievers.

  13. Y-City Jim

    The Reds don’t have the outfield depth to trade both Dunn and Griffey. Plus Griffey isn’t going to be trade before hitting 600 HR. The guy is a ticket draw.

  14. Justin

    Ticket sales are important in the progression of the team. Griffey I do not think is wanting to move, he did not go in 05 to the Chi Sox and I doubr he will this year.

  15. Camerin

    Just think, we almost got Phil Nevin for Griffey a couple years ago. Look what we would have now if that went through. Nothing. Griffey should and will retire a Red. Dunn should go or switch to first. Hopper in left, leading off, Hamilton in center, Griff in right is a good outfield. Lets sign that first round catcher and throw him out there, like he could do worse than Dr. Out, David Ross.

  16. Travis G.

    If you want to be amused and irritated at the same time, go read the proposals being floated over at Let’s just say Brett Tomko’s name keeps cropping up. Ridiculous.

    I don’t think they’re likely to get back what Dunn is worth, in which case they should just keep him and pick up his option next year. But Krivsky would be in breach of contract if he didn’t look around for a package of players who’ll be major contributors in two seasons, when this team should start to peak.

    As much as I love Dunn and his career 127 OPS+, the Reds won’t be able to afford to re-sign him — and a small-market team shouldn’t be handing out long-term cash to a 29-year-old Adam Dunn, anyway.

  17. Thomas

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  18. Y-City Jim

    If you deal Dunn then you deal him for tons of great prospects.

  19. Dave E.

    Chris, your comment is dead-on.

    We cannot make the classic mistake that other poorly run teams make, which is to trade away our best player. We should, instead, get rid of our worst player.

    Look, Dunn has flaws. He is a poor outfielder (although he has improved). He hits for a very low average and strikes out at historic levels. He will not be a great run producer unless he cuts down on the strikeouts/increases his average.

    But the main problems I think the fans and the media have with Dunn are not nearly that bad:
    1) he loafs after doubles in the corner;
    2) he strikes out;
    3) he (and Griffey) seem unable or unwilling to lay down an easy bunt single with the massive shift on.

    #1 and #3 are correctable, and frankly, I don’t care about #1 because I have never seen his lack of hustle turn into an extra base for a player. #2 may not be fixable. . .

    but what gets glossed over is that Dunn does many things very well:
    #1 one of the 5 best power hitters in the league
    #2 draws lots of walks
    #3 is a good percentage baserunner/basestealer.

    Dunn can be a starting player for a championship team. The problem is that most of the other Reds cannot.

  20. Bill

    I would add one more to your list Dave…

    He’s not a good “clutch hitter”.

    Putting aside the argument as to whether there is a true “clutch hitter” over their career…Dunn has not hit “in the clutch” in ’07 (scoring position, scoring position w/ 2 outs, close and late).

    But in the last two years:

    SP: .924 OPS (1st on team)
    SP/2O: .963 (1st)
    C&L: .863 (4th)

    SP: 1.041 (2nd)
    SP/2O: .992 (2nd)
    C&L: .821 (8th)

    The media (IMO, spearheaded by Marty B) has never seen a player with Dunn’s unique skills and so he doesn’t fit into their ideal of a good player. Thus his skill set is constantly put down, while you read endless articles and hear raves about players like Ryan Freel and Norris Hopper.

    The media in Cincinnati has poisoned the well on Adam Dunn and the public is starting to buy it. I believe that somehow Krivsky will move him off this team b/c he doesn’t fit his idea of what this team should be.

  21. Travis G.

    Guys who hit 40+ HR year after year don’t grow on tree, and nearly all of them strike out a ton. Here are the career leaders for most strikeouts:

    1.Reggie Jackson
    2.Sammy Sosa
    3.Andres Galarraga
    4.Jim Thome
    5.Jose Canseco
    6.Willie Stargell
    7.Mike Schmidt
    8.Fred McGriff
    9.Tony Perez
    10.Dave Kingman

    I don’t know what you can possibly say to the sort of person who’d get mad that one of those guys doesn’t attempt many bunts, besides, “Hello, Mr. Guillen.”