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DOTF – Gosling, Pelland, Fisher, Francisco, Smith

Richmond 4, Louisville 1

Louisville’s offense is as pathetic as the Cincinnati offense.

26 year-old starting pitcher Michael Gosling (D’Backs #2 – 2001)went 4 shutout innings, giving up 3 H and 2 BB while striking out 5. Gosling still hasn’t given up a run in 10 IP; he has 9 Ks, 4 BB, and 6 H.

Tennesee 7, Chattanooga 2

23 year-old starting pitcher Tyler Pelland (Red Sox #9 – 2002) pitched 4 innings, giving up just an ER on 2 BB and 5 H. HOWEVER, thanks to two of his own errors, he gave up 7 runs.

Sarasota 5, Dunedin 1

23 year-old 2B Michael Griffin (Reds #14 – 2005) went 3 for 5 with a R and an RBI.

24 year-old catcher Craig Tatum (Reds #3 – 2004) went 3 for 4 with 2 2B, a R, and an RBI.

24 year-old starting pitcher Carlos Fisher (Reds #11 – 2005) went 6 innings, giving up 4 H, 0 BB, and an ER. In 3 starts, Fisher has a 0.47 ERA with 10 Ks, 2 BB, and 13 H in 19 IP.

While I am excited about the start of the Reds minor league system, I worry that these guys are competing at a level too low for their age. Twenty-four year olds at A+ SHOULD dominate; 23 year olds at A- SHOULD dominate. I hope the Reds organization has a plan besides “keep them at each level for a year”.

Dayton 8, Fort Wayne 4

23 22 year-old left fielder Chris Heisey (Reds #17 – 2006) went 2 for 4 with a 2B, HR, 2 R, and 3 RBI. Heisey is hitting .370/.414/.630.

23 22 year-old second baseman Justin Turner (Reds #7 – 2006) went 3 for 4 with an RBI. Turner is hitting .346/.485/.423

19 year-old third baseman Juan Francisco went 2 for 5 with a 2B and a R. Francisco is hitting .353/.353/.559. In 34 plate appearances, he’s drawn exactly 0 walks.

21 year-old Jordan Smith (Reds #6 – 2006) went 5 innings, giving up just 2 H, an ER, a BB, while notching 2 Ks. He has 10 IP, with 6 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, and 8 Ks so far this year.

8 thoughts on “DOTF – Gosling, Pelland, Fisher, Francisco, Smith

  1. Matt…I can’t address the entire minor league system, but the MWL is getting older.

    The Dragons are right in the middle of the league in terms of age. I would think this would hold true throughout the minor league system, wouldn’t it?

  2. That’s not my piont Bill. we can round and round on this again and again. Who cares about the average age of the league? I care about PROSPECTS. If the Reds keep these kids out of college at one level at a time, they will be 22 Rookie, 23 Dayton, 24 Sarasota, 25 chattanooga, 26 Louisville. Starting the majors at 27 isn’t the best career path. Some of these better players HAVE to move up now, or they will have short unproductive careers.

  3. Matt,
    Fisher is very young in terms of pitching. He did not start pitching until he was a sophomore in college, and only half way through the season at that point. So while his age says one thing, his arm says another.

    The Reds also wont keep the guys at 1 level all year. They have shown that with Cueto, Bailey and Janish last year. If you produce, you will likely get the call to the next level.

    While I agree with you that most of these guys are not where they should be, and a lot of the Dayton college guys should be in Sarasota, its a numbers game sometimes and until someone else proves they didn’t deserve the promotion from last year, you shouldnt bump them for the new shiny toy.

  4. Doug,

    I would say we are pretty close to agreeing here, but I think Carlos Fisher is a great example. I don’t care if he started pitching last week. He is still 24. I would like to have some of the higher picked college kids starting out at Dayton instead of Billings. Or atleast going from Billings to Sarasota. The A’s did this with pretty good success back when they were drafting college kids. The twins do it too. Like I said, I don’t sit in the Reds meetings to know their plans, and maybe they have great plans, but from the outside looking in, I wish they would tweak it a bit.

  5. Well, last season Brandon Roberts went Bilings to Sarasota, this year Dorn did it. From the sounds of it all, Valaika was going to, but there was no one to play SS in Dayton since Milton Loo is dealing with family issues, so he was placed in Dayton as well.

    As for Fisher, I dont think age matters really with someone like him. I mean he will be in Chattanooga this year unless he absolutely blows up, and there are no signs at all of this happening. That puts him in AA at 24 and the possibility of AAA at 24/25. Its not like most guys dont play until 34 or 35, and you only control them for 6 years anyways.

    While we agree with the placement of guys, I dont think that the age of guys matters as much in certain cases. I mean sure, I dont think most guys at the age of 24 are prospects in A+, but there are a few outliers to that theory. He probably started in Dayton last year because he needs pitching experience still, being that he is young in pitching terms. He didnt pitch in high school or half of his time in college, so experience is needed with him.

  6. doug,

    yep had it wrong on Turner too….guess I shouldn’t try to watch 4 minor league games on the computer, the Reds Game on the computer, put the kids to bed, and write the DOTF all at the same time.

  7. Haha, I know where you are coming from Matt… the other day over on my site I listed that the Lookouts lost 4-3 when they actually won 4-3. Of course I was writing it at 3am while trying to catch up on some other work…

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