12/08/2005

Womack to Reds?

From ESPN:

The New York Yankees traded Tony Womack to the Cincinnati Reds on Thursday, getting rid of the second baseman-turned-outfielder just one season after signing him.

The trade was to be announced later Thursday, a high-ranking baseball official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the teams had not publicly confirmed the swap. It was not immediately known what the Yankees were getting in return.

Womack hit .307 to help St. Louis win the NL pennant in 2004, then became a free agent and signed a $4 million, two-year contract with the Yankees.

$2M for a player not as good as Ryan Freel? What’s the point of this? And no mention who the Reds gave up. This makes no sense to me at all, unless it’s part of another deal?

UPDATE: Here are the players involved:

[A]cquired 2B/OF Tony Womack from the Yankees for IF Kevin Howard and OF Ben Himes.

I’ve been a Reds fan since the late ’60’s, with my luck of being able to attend plenty of games at Riverfront during the BRM era. I was sitting in the Green Seats in the OF when Pete came home in ’84 and was in the Red seats when Glenn Braggs reached over the fence in ’90 to beat the Pirates. I have had many favorites from Jim Maloney to Johnny Bench, Barry Larkin, Adam Dunn, and Jay Bruce.

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  1. He’s actually much worse (and much older) than Freel. Here is Womack’s line in ’05, in 329 ABs: .249/.276/.280. Freel in 369 ABs: .271/.371/.371. This would be a horrible trade no matter who we’re giving up. My estimation of DOB, which had hovered dangerously close to respectable after the Casey/Williams deal, is back down to its normal depths.

  2. ESPN reports that it is Womack and cash for Howard and Himes. Womack signed a 2yr $4M contract before last season. So it had best be $2M in cash they’re sending for us to cover his salary. Even with the Yanks covering his whole salary this trade is a huge loss for the Reds. In the nine seasons with significant ABs, the 36 year old Womack has put up a league average or better OBP one time. That was in 2004 (.349)What a disaster this team is. Just pathetic. I can’t conceive a scenario where acquiring Tony Womack could possibly be a good deal.

    Later,
    Tom

  3. What is OB thinking? Two dumb trades. Neither of these trades makes any sense. Adding another soft tossing, HR plagued pither, and an underperforming, high priced infielder makes no sense at all. How does this improve the Club?
    I know most of the guys on this blog were looking to see Casey traded for some pitching. I didn’t want to see Casey go but I could be convinced if the trade was for “Good” pitching. I don’t think the Reds got a sufficient upgrade with Williams. Now it’s Womack, who is long past his prime and will squeeze Freel for AB’s. Aren’t Howard and Himes pretty decent prospects? Are the Reds moving into Jimenez II here?
    I don’t get it and I doubt that OB does either.

  4. I have no problem with the Casey deal. I think the fact that he only brought an average pitcher like Williams says more about Casey’s value, than it does about the trade. They got some pitching and cleared payroll. Casey’s inconsistent, and should have already peaked. I just wish they’d traded him before ’05, rather than after, his value would have been higher.

    But this trade makes no sense, unless someone else is going to go.

  5. And I can’t speak for Howard, as he wasn’t even kept on the 40 man, but Himes was impressive at Dayton this year (despite his numbers) and put up good numbers at Sarasota.

  6. I’m with you, Ken. Here I was thinking that maybe trades were Dan O’Brien’s forte, rather than free agents. Maybe not.

    The deal apparently includes $900k from New York, which is under the $1 mil threshold before King Bud’s review and approval is required.

    For a team that already has Freel and is actively pursuing Aurilia (and Rich is even apparently interested in returning in a reduced role!), this is a ridiculous deal. Womack is capital-A awful. The Yankees already found that out the hard way, and benched him for the last three months of the season.

  7. the only person i would have traded for tony womac would have been eric milton. we’re so boned.

  8. I think Freel is headed to the OF. The 2B position is a battle between Aurilla, Womack, and Olmedo.

  9. I just threw up in my mouth…

  10. I agree with Jim McCullough, the only possible logic i can find in all this is:

    Kearns/Pena will be dealt for a starter
    Freel to the OF
    Aurillia starts at 2b
    Womack plays utility and pinch runner
    Milton or Wilson goes to the pen

  11. This looks like a setup to send Kearns to the Cubs for hopefully a better than average pitcher and Freel to right field.

  12. who would that pitcher be do you think? Rich hill?

  13. This trade only makes sense if there’s another trade to come. I’m waiting for the next shoe to drop with no confidence that the front office has any idea what its doing. Eric M, this trade me sick too. I’m pass you the trash can right after I’m done with it.

  14. This is just retarded. I can’t think of a worse player to acquire. And I mean that quite literally.

    And they gave up Kevin Howard, who was ranked by Baseball Prospectus as the #1 most likely player to be taken in the Rule 5 draft today. He wasn’t, so O’Brien trades him for a guy whose overrated, best season was 10 years ago.

    This is the GM equivalent of getting narrowly missed by a bus, then jumping into the path of a moving train.

  15. I can’t imagine Freel getting a permanent starting job in the outfield over Chris Denorfia, if another trade goes down.

  16. i know i’m in the minority here, but i really don’t mind this trade so much. There was clearly something going on with Howard if the reds didn’t protect him and he didn’t get taken rule 5. BA had him projected to be taken first, so there’s something fishy with him.

    If kearns or pena is dealt for pitching, then freel or denorfia has to start, and the other will be the backup. Aurillia will start at second, which is reasonable after the way he played in the second half, and that leaves the reds with a need for another utility guy.

    Womack can play several positions well, he’s a threat to steal as a pinch runner, he can move runners over, and he’s getting 1 million. If he bounces back offensively even a little, he’ll be a useful utility guy.

    Now if he is expected to start at 2nd, that’s a whole other story.

  17. Womack can play several positions well, he’s a threat to steal as a pinch runner, he can move runners over, and he’s getting 1 million.150 ab’s and defensive replacement is paltable on a winning team. 500 PA’s and the talk of spinning more straw into gold is the real problem.

  18. There is speculation that Womack may be headed to the Devil Rays for RHP, Stephen Andrade.

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About Bill Lack

I've been a Reds fan since the late '60's, with my luck of being able to attend plenty of games at Riverfront during the BRM era. I was sitting in the Green Seats in the OF when Pete came home in '84 and was in the Red seats when Glenn Braggs reached over the fence in '90 to beat the Pirates. I have had many favorites from Jim Maloney to Johnny Bench, Barry Larkin, Adam Dunn, and Jay Bruce.

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