Titanic Struggle Recap

Game 116: Weekend With Bernie


Final R H E
Miami Marlins (56-59) 2 7 0
Cincinnati Reds (59-57)
1 7 0
W: N. Eovaldi (6-6)   L: M. Leake (9-10)    S: S. Cishek (28)
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The Good

Mike Leake was good tonight. Just not good enough. He pitched 7 innings, giving up five hits, four walks and two runs. He left a pitch up in the zone to Giancarlo Stanton and you just don’t do that. It was Stanton’s 28th HR and it would be the difference in the game.

Todd Frazier had 3 hits in 4 at bats. He doubled in the 9th and Devin Mesoraco doubled behind him to score the Reds only run.

The Bad

Brayan Pena left the game with tightness in his hamstring. Every injury at this point is crippling.

Not so random thoughts …

Very frustrating loss.

But Johnny Bench was at the ballpark tonight. That was very good. So was Jack Billingham. And Tom Browning. And Leo Cardenas. And Clay Carroll. And Eric Davis. And George Foster. And Cesar Geronimo. And Wayne Granger. And Ken Griffey. And Tommy Helms. And Jim Maloney. And Lee May. And Joe Morgan. And Gary Nolan. And Jim O’Toole. And Tony Perez (Doggie). And Chris Sabo. And Mario Soto. And Ron Oester. And Dave Parker. And Ken Griffey, Jr.

And Bernie Stowe, who was so beloved that all of the above came out to pay their respects.

My memories are full tonight. I hope yours are too.

And that’s enough.

48 thoughts on “Game 116: Weekend With Bernie

    • The bottom of this lineup just isnt going to come thru very often, got spoiled last few days. But, if you bunt a runner to third you expect better.

  1. It would have been nice to have Pena bat in the 9th with the thing run on 2nd instead of Santiago.

  2. It was great to see all the players from my youth. Unfortunately, Father Time is catching up with them and seeing them thus aged reminds me of my own mortality. In my mind’s eye I still see them gliding effortlessly across the turf of Riverfront Stadium, but when I open my eyes I seem them gray and bent over and weak and infirm and my memories are bittersweet.

    • They may be gray and bent over and weak and infirm, but I have no doubt that they are still young at heart, and will tell you it beats the alternative. Once a Redleg, always a Redleg. Go Reds! (past and present)

  3. Oh yes, my memories came flooding back at the mention of Reds greats like: Leo Cardenas, Tommy Helms, Jim Maloney, Jim O’Toole and Lee May. They bring back my memories of going to Crosley Field with my Grandfather aka Grandpa. Grandpa would dress up like he was going to church, suit, Tie and hat. The kind of memories one will always cherish.

    • I was on my daddy’s knee, but I remember those players. Joey Jay, Bob Purkey, Gus Bell, Wally Post, Frank and Vada, Gordy Coleman, Don Blasingame, etc. Sorry to see them hobbled, but have empathy for them. These things happen as you age, whether an athlete or a bus driver.

      • Those names include my all-time favorite players, in particular Frank and Vada and Bob Purkey. Fond memories of all of them. At least some of them are still with us, Vada passed away when he was only in his 50s.

      • My first game was at Crosley Field. First baseball card was Vada Pinson. I’m with Sergeant2: Cardenas, Helms, Maloney and O’Toole. I remember when Bench came on the scene. He threw out Lou Brock attempting to steal 2nd. My Mom, bless her heart, nearly fell over yet at the same time, fell in love with Bench, as a player, at that moment. Good memories indeed.

    • One of my Grandpas usually dressed that way too. His idea of casual was nice shirt and trousers with suspenders. He would play catch with me dressed like that.

    • In the late ’60’s I had the opportunity to go to a game at Crosley with my grandfather. Unfortunately, I decided not to go. I regret it to this day. My only memories of Crosley Field are derived from numerous passing trips on I-75 before its destruction.

      My first game came on the opening of Riverfront Stadium. Many many trips to the “cookie-cutter” stadium. Thanks for the memories BRM.

  4. The Marlins made some great defensive plays tonight to win that game. I wonder if Mesoraco scores if he runs. I thought he should have gone, but maybe not for quick the Marlins SS got up and threw to first.

    I hope the Reds can keep it interesting and stay within 5 games of the Central lead at least until Brandon Phillips comes back. Right now, the Brewers, Cards, and Pirates are just more talented. The Reds rotation minus Simon has been great lately, playoff worthy.

    Hopefully Simon can pick it up and Bailey Latos and Cueto pitch like aces. That is the Reds only hope! And Jay Bruce getting hot…it’s starting to look like a lost season for Bruce almost. I feel bad for him having gone through the knee injury.

  5. The bunt in the bottom of the 9th was all kinds of Dusty Baker stupid. I’d rather have a player on 2nd with no outs than a player on third with one out every single time. Why give up 33% of your outs that inning when the first two batters crushed the ball. Why? Why? Why?

    • I’d rather have a guy on third (or scored) with no outs. By that I mean i don’t go along with giving away the out; but that said, it is better to have a man on 3rd with 1 out than on second with 1 out. You just have to get a competent AB and similar base running on the second out.

      • Couldn’t agree more with what you’re saying. The Reds really can’t afford to lose games the way they did tonight. The fact that the Reds are even in hunt at this point considering the injuries and having a rookie manager is nothing short of amazingly unbelievable.

    • Because the first two players were nearly the only ones capable of crushing the ball. But I agree, generally, about sacrifice bunts.

    • Most managers would do the same thing in that situation. It’s not the right move, but it’s the safe mood because it’s “by the book”.

  6. Maybe Eric Davis or Joe Morgan or Ken Griffey Sr. could talk with Hamilton about how it’s not OK or necessary to get picked off every other time you’re on first base. Billy Hatcher hasn’t been able to get through to him and Price can’t either or maybe tells him: “Just keep running, Billy.”

    • Guessing when it’s a LHP with a good move is really the only way you can steal. I defended Hamilton the other night because it was against House. This wasn’t excusable though. It was a RHP and you just can’t get picked off because you were overanxious against a RHP.

  7. This was the worst I’ve felt all year about Price’s decisions, so I just read the game thread to see what people thought. The least defensible decision, to my mind, was having Leake bat to lead off the bottom of the 6th with the Reds down a run.

    Leake had thrown 103 pitches and had control problems in the 6th inning. Plenty of well rested options in the bullpen. If the pinch hitter gets on base, then maybe Bruce’s and Frazier’s single’s still happen and the Reds score a run.

    And his leaving a pitch up in the zone for Stanton is not so surprising, considering that he was going on 120 pitches.

    • It seems like Price is starting to chase the previous bomb crater at times.

      I was called away from the game just after the SAC fly in the 6th. I did see that Leake finished the inning without further damage; and, for all the reasons you cited figured his night was done, only to find out later he had given up the HR to Stanton in the 7th which did not surprise me because I thought he had really flirted with disaster versus Staton when he led off the 6th.

      Price could have been hoarding relief arms tonight with an eye on Saturday and Simon’s recent struggles.

      • “Price could have been hoarding relief arms tonight with an eye on Saturday and Simon’s recent struggles.”

        If that’s the case, then he is guilty of the Dusty Baker bullpen management style of managing tomorrow’s game today.

        • It would be interesting to know how many successful managers don’t consider tomorrow’s game–and beyond–today. I would think that they have to–162 games, injuries, travel, etc.

  8. The least of my worries concerning the Reds is Billy Hamilton. I’m guessing about 90% of Reds fans would agree. (there’s always that 10%) My kingdom for a thumbs up or down icon on redlegnation.com

    • I’m a fan of Hamilton’s and not worried about him long term. He’s a rookie and will learn. But right now the pickoffs are hurting the team, it’s time to adjust.

      Please no to thumbs up/thumbs down, discussion is better than that.

    • “My kingdom for a thumbs up or down icon on redlegnation.com….”
      ****************************************
      The thought has crossed my mind to try and catch a picture of Charlie, my avatar, performing a leg lift to use in some of those “thumbs down” feeling situations :)

  9. I expected to see Heisey pinch hit for Cozart. That was thoroughly debated on the game thread, so I’ll leave it alone, except to say that my favorite comment from the game thread was Zippy’s: “At least Price still has his best pinch-hitter available for the 10th.”

    • I don’t see much difference, Heisey and Cozart are both top table grade fare for a side armed slider guy like Cishek. Maybe Lutz for Schumaker unless the Marlins were sitting on a LOOGY in their pen.

        • True but Schumaker hasn’t been making good contact lately; Lot’s of K’s and roll over grounders. Of course it would be too much to ask to have a competent LH PH. I guess they do have one but he is now the 1B because the GM can’t find anybody else to play there.

  10. I missed the second half of the game in real time. I just went back and looked at the bottom of the 9th. If the contact play had been on Meso scores easily because the Marlins SS in on his hands and knees facing 1st when he comes up with the ball.

    However Meso was staying home/ playing safe all the way and never really even got a secondary lead as he saw ball go to ground. So, I think Hechevarria would have had the time to get himself turned toward home and throw Meso out had Meso broken late from where he was. Maybe a more seasoned (and quicker) runner realizing from almost the get go that the ball was going over the pitcher’s head and breaking from a better secondary lead would have scored, But not Meso on this play on this night.

    • The Reds just seem star crossed at getting runners from 3rd to home. The coach has sent a bunch of people he shouldn’t have sent. When the contact play has been on the ball has been hit right at a fielder, or so it seems. And like tonight, when the contact play isn’t on, they seem to hit a lot of border line grounders that would have scored a guy running on contact but not a guy waiting to read the situation.

    • I just watched the video replay on Schumaker’s ground ball. It seems pretty simple – if Mes is running on the play, he scores, otherwise not. After catching the grounder, Hechevarria was quickly ready to throw home if needed.

      And I’m not 2nd guessing about Mes not running on contact – you generally don’t do that with a slow runner.

  11. Disappointed by the bunt. What ever happened to hitting the ball to the right side to move the runner to third, with the chance that the ball goes through for a hit and the game is tied? Or simply getting a base hit? Hate giving up that out, especially with a new pitcher on the hill who had been hit hard by the first two batters. I’m sure this was debated hotly on the game thread, but put me in the camp of no thank you on the bunt.

  12. It seems to have gone uncommented here but I thought the SAC fly in the Marlins 6th was a prime example of how the new rules governing plays at home plate are changing the game.

    The throw actually ricocheted off of the Marlins runner as he crossed through the batter’s box on 3B side of home. Meso was standing behind the runner at the time; and, as I read his body language had been extremely unsure and uncomfortable about how to position himself as the play developed with the throw and the runner converging.

    Given some plays Meso was involved in earlier in his career, I think there is little doubt than sans the revised rules, he would have been right there on the the front corner of the plate trying to simultaneously block the runner, catch the throw, and then making the tag for the out. Who knows what would have happened, good/ bad, safe/ out, injured or uninjured.

    I am not faulting Meso one iota for how he did or did not play the situation, just pointing how the rules and uncertainty with the interpretation are changing the game.

      • One side of my brain agrees. The other says there should be a way permitted to make a play on a throw which hits the runner before he crosses the plate. Had the ball not redirected pretty much exactly at Leake who was backing up, the play could have cost the Reds another run; and that just doesn’t seem right.

        Given the current state of things, I think Meso did the prudent thing on several counts by just getting clear out of Dodge when he saw the throw and the runner were going to arrive pretty much in the same spot at the same time.

        • Considering the new rules, this is h ow I’d try to do it… I’d setup right at the front corner of the plate, giving the runner the back of the plate and my foot at that point isn’t in the baseline. After catching the ball, I could slide the foot back, blocking more of the plate and try to get the tag down. The really tricky thing is, that’s where I’d almost normally setup anyway. Force of habit though, I’d probably take a step back as I’m fielding the ball. That’s where a lot of catchers are getting into trouble. Your instinct is to take that step back to block the plate and your instinct is to step back rather than forward on the in-between-hops also blocking the plate.

        • You played longer and at a higher level than I reached and I suspect a few years later on in the evolution of things; but, I think I would be totally lost with these new rules because I had very much a middle linebacker mentality (goes with the territory of being from a small school with no real football I guess). I’m not particularly proud of it now nor ashamed for that matter but I was going to put a lick on anybody who didn’t roll over and play dead and do anything I could to keep them off the plate until I could get the ball.

  13. I wasn’t much for setting up well before the ball got there as that would have been an advert to get creamed. Still, once that ball got close, I was blocking the plate. The new rule has got to be hard for these guys who have been told to protect the plate at all costs, to not be able to block the plate. They have to retrain their brains.

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