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Logo, Ratings and McCutchen

As part of their rollout for hosting the 2015 All-Star game, the Reds today unveiled the game logo.

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The Reds FSO broadcasts are the highest rated show during their time period, according to a report by Maury Brown for Forbes Magazine. The games are the #1-rated programming in prime time from Opening Day through July 24. That’s good news for the Reds as they prepare to renegotiate their local media rights contract. Ratings haven’t dipped despite the team’s .500 record.

Source: Neilson Company

Source: Nielsen Company

Pittsburgh Pirate superstar and 2013 NL MVP Andrew McCutchen’s injury could potentially be a crippling blow to their post-season run. A post by Mike Petriello at FanGraphs discusses the possible ramifications. His conclusion:

Again, we’re speculating, because right now, it’s impossible to say for sure what McCutchen’s health outlook is. He could be back next week; he could miss the rest of the year. He could come back at full strength; he could rush it and be limited, like Ramirez was for the Dodgers, and the Pirates could try to make a waiver deal to compensate. No matter how it turns out, though, it’s hard to think of a more damaging situation for a playoff team. A club with no margin of error just lost the best player in the league. It’s not often that turns out well.

Lots of mixed feelings. On the one hand, the Pirates pitch inside a lot, lead the league in hit batters and engaged in a blatant bean-ball war with the Reds last year. One of the casualties was Brandon Phillips who was hit and injured last year on June 2.

On the other hand, that doesn’t make it right in this case for Arizona to retaliate deliberately for what most everyone believes to be an accidental HBP the game before on Paul Goldschmidt.

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As for the pennant run and being a Reds fan watching Bryan Price’s team coping with injuries to Joey Votto (who has an NL MVP trophy on his mantle, too) and Phillips, I know how it feels. Pirates fans, welcome to our world.

33 thoughts on “Logo, Ratings and McCutchen

  1. Part of the game. When BP was hit last year the Reds showed their pitching weakness in that they refused to retaliate. As much as I despise Tony Larussa the retaliatory hit batsmen was an integral part of his management style. Doesn’t get you very far in the playoffs. Just ask Dusty.

    • Dale: hbp has always been part of the game, certainly. Since it’s a game, we tend to forget that a major league fastball is a potentially lethal weapon, and retaliation always, or almost always, leads to more retaliation and more players on both teams exposed to considerable risk of serious injury in what, after all, is a game. I cannot find anything good in McCutchen’s injury: He’s a great player, a team leader, and has not hit anybody with a pitch. If macho response is called for, the appropriate one is to punch the pitcher and the manager in the mouth, not to injure a player who had nothing to do with the original incident.

  2. Tough not to say ‘what goes around comes around’, so I’ll just say it. Awesome to see the high ratings for the Reds (although I fall outside the broadcast radius) just based on the potential extra salary dollars for the upcoming signings of Latos, Cueto and Chapman.

  3. As far as the logo goes = lame. Should be a logo clearly identifying The Reds as the oldest baseball team or alternatively of Mr. Redlegs with a pair of crutches and his leg in a cast.

    As far as ratings goes that can only be good news for the Reds.Spend more money down of the farm.

    • Officially, if you look at it from a franchise perspective, the Atlanta Braves are the oldest baseball team. The original Cincinnati Redstockings team was formed in 1869 but then disbanded in 1870. In 1871 the owner of that team moved them to Boston where they started as the Redstockings but eventually became the Boston Braves, who then moved to Atlana. The Cincinnati Reds franchise that currently exists was formed in 1875.

  4. I don’t think there will be any Reds fans shed a tear for the Pirates and McCutcheon. Clint Hurdle may have learned a valuable lesson. Live by the HBP, die by the HBP.
    McCutcheon should have had a fastball implanted between the 2’s on his 22 on the back of his jersey by Chapman last year. Still time for that this year.

    • There’s never a good reason for it. Sorry. Never. It’s bush-league baseball. Nobody on my team ever called me out or thought of me as being ‘less macho’ or not having their backs because I felt that way either.

      • When it is tit for tat, I agree. And I didn’t say go after his head area or hands/wrists area. But when the opponent deliberately goes after your guys’ head or hands/wrists areas, then a response is warranted. In my opinion, the Pirates were going after BP’s hands/wrists area, even before he got hurt. They were trying to put BP out. Remember the level it had risen to at that point. I think Baker tried to de-escalate things, instead of making an appropriate response. That passive approach might have led to the Pirates walking all over the Reds in late September.
        Granted, a Chapman fastball to the 2’s on the back of McCutcheon might have sparked a brawl at that time. But heck, I’d like to see some fight to these Reds. A warrior attitude. A little more evident killer instict wouldn’t hurt. A missing ingridient in the Reds Soup that makes up a 25 man roster. Sometimes the Reds display the attitude of wussy Ross from “Friends”. But in no way, shape or form do I suggest a thug attitude. Thug is a thug is a thug.

        • I think that a “thug attitude” is exactly what you are suggesting. Have you checked out the news lately? Or for the past 7 or 8 thousand years? The results of the thug attitude are evident through time immemorial.

    • “Live by the HBP, die by the HBP” does apply to Hurdle. The Pirates have had exchanges of hit batsmen with many teams. Hurdle “retaliates” automatically.
      I heard him on an interview on mlbnetwork. He regards any hitting of a batsman of his intentional, and on the other hand consistently claims it’s accidental whenever the Pirates hit someone.

  5. Throwing intentionally at a batter is crap. A pitcher needs to work inside and sometimes guys get hit when that happens, but intentionally hitting batters is folly. This is especially true at the MLB level with players costing teams millions of dollars. The “you hit one of mine, I’m hitting one of yours” mentality is broken. It doesn’t discourage anything and in fact only encourages escalation of the bean-ball war and the potential for brawls leading to even more injuries.

    I disagree with those who say you can’t tell the intent of a pitch. If you’ve been around the game enough, you can usually tell when a pitcher just had one get away (too far in) and hit a guy or when he’s throwing at a guy. The catcher always knows too. I used to hate it when one of my pitchers would hit a guy on purpose. It became my job to keep the guy who got hit from charging the mound. I know when I got hit, I never felt the need for one of my pitchers to retaliate on my behalf. If I thought there was intent, I’d handle the situation on my own and didn’t need the pitcher doing my dirty work for me.

    • I actually prefer it when the pitcher throws behind the guy. It gives all the message without the potential injury. The problem with that, though, is that you will almost certainly be thrown out of the game which doesn’t help the team. Umpires should start rewarding pitchers for throwing behind a guy in retaliation instead of hitting him. Maybe call it a strike?

      • Ha! Yeah, we would throw behind or over the heads of guys. Usually miss them by quite a lot. Yes, the pitcher pretty much always was tossed, along with the manager.

      • Even more importantly than sending that message though was we’d get them by playing hard, beating them, and maybe being a little extra-aggressive on the bases as far as breaking up the DP, running into the catcher, etc. The idea was keep it hard but clean. We get even by beating them.

  6. I like the logo and the ratings news is good news for the Reds and for their upcoming negotiations.

  7. The baseball Gods are leveling the playing field. Pirates lose Cutch, Brewers lose Garza, Lohse pitching like he is injured, Cards lose Molina and trade a starter. Maybe the scales are being balanced.

    Logo is neat and good for the brand but it doesn’t add to the win column this year.

  8. ‘Cutch wasn’t injured on the HBP. He was injured on a swing in a game the day after.

    But since you brought it up…I don’t appreciate how he reacts. He went absolutely nuts after Chapman didn’t even hit him, and he threw a fit after this particular HBP. If he’s got an issue, maybe he should take it up with his pitchers, who hit a lot of batters either intentionally or because they believe in pitching inside. Even with a huge lead, as with the pitch that ended Goldschmidt’s season

  9. When I saw this news, my first thought was “Well, I guess the Pirates will feel the way we’ve felt for most of the year.”

    Hate to hear of anybody getting injured, but when you have a manager like Clint Hurdle, it’s almost a foregone conclusion that someone on your team will get hurt eventually.

  10. I’m suprised the brewers total households is smaller than the reds. Holy crap, look at the total households for the Padres and Marlins. That’s beyond pathetic. It makes you wonder if those franchises would exist without revenue sharing.

  11. Pirates have really been asking for it for awhile now. When the NL average is 37, and your team has 61, and the next closest in all of MLB is 12 fewer? They led MLB in HBP last year too.

    Can’t keep hitting other players, hurting other players, and not expect some return… regardless of if you agree with the whole retaliation thing or not, fact is it’ll happen at that point. It’s why their batters also led MLB in HBP last year and are leading this year too.

    • Your guys are going to get hit more in that case, yes. McCutchen is also going to get his share of HBP because pitching inside is the best way to get him out.

      • Yeah, plus the Pirates are pretty much the reason why 4 of the top 5 team in MLB last year in pitchers HBP were NL Central teams.. I think after the 81 HBP their batters had last year due to that, they realized constantly beaning their divisional opponents isn’t a good idea because of how often they have to play them, and toned divisional beaning down at least a little.

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