Game Thread

Pirates at Reds (July 12, 2014)

The Reds and Pirates return to the playing field tonight after last night’s remarkable Reds victory. Everything (minus the injuries) seems to be breaking the Reds way right now so let’s hope it does again tonight as well.

Mike Leake takes to the mound looking to bump his record to over the .500 mark heading into the all-star break. Price makes only a few changes to tonight’s lineup. Discuss the game here Reds fans!

Lineup:
1. Hamilton CF
2. Santiago 2B
3. Frazier 3B
4. Bruce RF
5. Mesoraco C
6. Ludwick LF
7. Pena 1B
8. Cozart SS
9. Leake P

465 thoughts on “Pirates at Reds (July 12, 2014)

  1. Well, at least he put the ball in play, unlike Lutz and Soto.

    Goodnight, RLN. Poor management strikes again. Not the 1st, won’t be the last. But 1.5 games out of 1st ain’t too shabby, either. I’ll take it, as much as this loss stings.

  2. no sour grapes here, I am convinced McCutchen is on drugs… he’s talking to himself in CF, the dreads, his whole demeanor…he is on something…not sure what… PCP maybe…lol.

  3. Every time they show that replay of Santiago getting thrown out, I just want to punch Smith over and over.

  4. I just want to point out this is totally not on Hoover. It’s on two different coaching decisions. Sending Santiago was #1, and not walking McCutchen was #2. Either of those happen and the Reds either win, or are still playing.

        • Steve. of course players always have accountability, but tonight’s situation is on coaches/manager.

          2 really bad mistakes… 2nd one should have never occurred…had 3rd base coach did not send the runner to home. no outs , bases loaded, that would be 100% of the calls in MLB in that situation… w/ an all star coming to bat w/ no body out..

          that should have ended the game…

        • Just because the manager and base coach make mistakes (and I don’t agree it was a mistake to send Santiago. It took a perfect play to get him) that doesn’t mean the loss is on them. If any number of players had done what they were supposed to – Mike Leake not making a throwing error, for example – then the game never even gets to that point. It’s possible to say the manager made a decision you didn’t agree with without putting the entire blame for the loss on his shoulders. Hoover and Broxton each made bad pitches.

        • i differ w/ you. you have manager and coaches for a reason. what they did tonight should be pointed out and they need to understand their actions did not help the cause.

          w/ any sports, players play the game. no kidding Steve… everyone knows that here or anywhere, and every human on earth make mistakes, but key in life is learning from it.

          I hope they – coach and manager learn from it. they made bad calls. problem is i have seen too much of those errors on 3rd base since last year, and Price has made more than enough bad calls in managing situations. I don’t buy “it’s his first year” argument. it’s major league baseball.

          you can keep your opinion.. i have mine.

        • Yes, it was a good throw, but you just can’t take that chance in that situation. As a coach, you have to know when to be conservative and when to go for it. With nobody out and your cleanup hitter (who happens to destroy lefties) up next, you just can’t send him unless it’s almost a guaranteed score. That was far from it.

  5. Price has had his good and bad moments.. tonight was bad.

    2 coaching mistakes.

    3rd base coach. in that situation, you have to take bases loaded no outs w/ Mes coming to bat. 100% of the time…. no matter what. isn’t that why he gets paid for?

    manager. you have to signal to Hoover to walk the MVP… you have to.

    terrible coaching/managing tonight… it’s a game we gave away.

  6. I cannot stand to see games like this one tonight just given away. Absolutely bone head pitching tonight challenging the reigning MVP. The one player you absolutely do not let beat you. STUPID.

  7. Why stop? If he and his staff made correct decisions the team would probably be 1/2 games out of first.

    The criticism on Price in the 10th/11th inning tonight is very fair. I don’t agree with those saying he is in over his head, but not walking Cutch there is absolutely worth the criticism he is getting.

    • Are we really criticiszaing the manager for not intentionally walking a batter unintentionally, HR derby guys cannot hit that many Hr’s with a terrible pitcher trying to get him to hit a HR

      • I’m way more upset at Smith than Price. I would’ve walked Cutch in the 11th, but you can certainly defend the decision to pitch to him.

        The decision to send Santiago, on the other hand, is indefensible. It was a terrible call, n way around it.

  8. us being 1 1/2 game out first IS NOT because PRICE is great or even good manager. it’s combination of Milwaukee’s bad losing streak and us getting 4 wins against Cubs.

    if Brews just go 500 market last 10 games, we still be out 4-5 games…

    yes Price has had bad injuries, but also, he has cost this team several wins by mismanaging. of course I don’t miss Dusty, so I do not call for Price’s firing.. just pointing out that I think Price has made many mistakes this year… keep saying he’s in his 1st year doesn’t cut it. It’s MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL…

      • it’s not over reacting… and after spending 4 hours of my life i don’t get back, i have a right to blow steam… it goes away after a while…

        haven’t you learned basic mental psychology 101… it’s better to let it come out then keeping it boiled inside….

        sitting in front of computer and writing is the most harmless way i can think of..

        so don’t tell me sit back relax BS… you do what you want. this is how i cope w/ it for an hour after a loss like this.

  9. Not counting the pitcher, this loss is like having seven Cozarts and one Babe Ruth to face, and losing the game because you chose to pitch to Babe Ruth instead of walking the Babe in order to face Cozart. No disrepect to Cozart, and I’m not saying McCutchen is the equal to the Babe, but I think you get the point.

  10. Their (and national league) MVP has 20 HRs against Reds in his career… how about some scouting… some inner circle advising Price that w/ 2 outs no body on, walk the guy or at least throw 4 out of the strike pitches. did you see what Hoover threw … right down the middle.

    Is Hoover short on memory?

    We don’t call Hoover .. Mr Home Run Hoover for nothing… not to mention McCutchen kills Reds pitching normally… the man has 20 homers in his career against Reds… 20…

  11. A lot of the comments coming minutes after a frustrating loss is simply venting after a frustrating loss. I do not think that makes fans venting that frustration “fair weather fans” I think it shows how much Reds fans care about the team. Tomorrows a new day, we’ll get em tomorrow. Go Reds!

    • absolutely! not just Reds fans.. but most ardent fans of sports. nothing wrong w/ it. it blows over naturally after night sleep. now, if people don’t get over it after night’s sleep, then you got a problem. it’s just a game.

      still, i can’t believe our 3rd base coaches over the past 2 years do what they do… where do we find these coaches… so called coaches… last year was bad too… Berry i think

      going to bed

  12. Hoover is 1-7 this year… gives up HR’s left and right along w/ some strikes… is he going to try to hit double digit in losses? is it in his contract that if he hits double digit, he makes more money? (maybe the contract forgot to say he makes more money with double digit WINS…)

    man, Hoover makes me nervous every time… along with Ondrusek…. LeCure has not been the same this year ….Parra too… 4 of these guys i have no confidence in…

    it’s amazing we are still in the chase for playoff w/ these guys blowing up every 2 games.

    good night

  13. In close games like this, and playoff games like this, the Reds have to win games like this. I love the comeback they made against the Cubs, and now twice with the Pirates, but they should have won it in the bottom of the 10th. I didn’t see the play at the plate, but if its hit to shallow Right Field, the third base coach should have held the runner. Especially, with 0 outs and Mes coming up to bat. I have seen to many times with the Reds and other major league teams, with less than 2 outs, and runners on third, and ball hit sharply to either 3rd base or 2nd base, and the runner at 3rd takes off for home, and is thrown out easily at the plate. But…..Ludwick has got to get a fly ball and get the runner home. That is the one that is the most upsetting. Its the little things that happen in close games, and many times the Reds make mistakes on these little things.

  14. 20 guys thrown out at the plate already this year. Only three teams had that many all of last year in the NL.

  15. Having a 100 million dollar plus automobile where the left turn signal doesn’t work is unacceptable. The Reds have an equivalent to the non functioning left turn signal in their 3rd base coach. In my opinion that is unacceptable.

  16. He is a great pitching coach though, and the logic is they might have lost him to someone else willing to give him a manager role… I think we can win with Price… I don’t know why he didn’t walk McCutcheon there, maybe he is a numbers guy and stubbornly stuck with not putting tying run on base,, but if you look at McCutcheon you see he is easily the confident force on that team, take the friggin bat out of his hands ignore the numbers, this is human psychology we are talking about. Same with the 3B coach..we had all the momentum, why force a play… they were on the ropes giving the game away..jsut one more AB with our best guy at the plate and all the pressure on the other team. JESUS, its painful to watch this from afar, we all know better…but I guess the heat of the moment and the crowd noise and all that, these guys just don’t think clearly under pressure.

  17. u do realize that even after 162 games, it comes down to 1-2 games (or it could..)…

    you look back and it’s these type of games (and we have had several of them this year) that makes a difference of winning the division or not… or getting a 2nd WC spot or not…

    after last year, we really need to win the division versus 1 game playoff…

    when I watch managers like Bochy or even Pirates’ manager, I just think they do a great job… i like both of them. I haven’t seen a decent Reds manager in ages… when i was a boy, I liked a man named Sparky… if anyone remembers..

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