2014 Reds

AP: Dusty Baker Out

About 15 minutes ago, the AP broke the news that Dusty Baker is out as manager of the Reds. John Fay has since confirmed.

I, personally, support this move. I think it was time for Dusty to go. That said, he is, by all accounts, a pretty excellent guy, and we here at the Nation wish him the best.

I have a feeling it’s going to be an interesting offseason. Bob Castellini does not mess around.

277 thoughts on “AP: Dusty Baker Out

  1. While I do think Baker has been unfairly maligned a bit (especially around these parts) I think it was the right move for all involved.

    Well, we’ll see who they bring in next and then we’ll have a new whipping post for the Reds’ shortcomings.

  2. I have a feeling that Dusty Baker is going to land on his feet. And that landing spot just might take him back to LA, the LA Angels. I think Scoisca will be out very soon in Anahiem. And LAA has a bunch of (high priced) veterans where Dusty can feel at home with his veteranyness. It might be a good fit for him.

  3. Thank you Dusty for helping lead the Reds back to relevance. Good luck with whatever comes your way.

  4. Hi all,
    I believe Mr. Baker is a good person. He did a lot for the Reds and I thank him from the bottom of my heart for everything he has done. My prayers is for him and his family. Being over .500 in the last few years feels good as a fan and once again thank you Mr. Baker.

    With that said, I agree that it looks like this is as far as Mr. Baker can take us. This year I begin feeling that a new managing style is needed. When the BP incident happened I felt this way stronger. What I mean is BP had no problem walking into his manager’s meeting with reports and went off. This made me wonder who was managing who… Then the last part of the season strengthen my feelings on we needed a change.

    Again I wish Mr. Baker many blessings and prayers.

    The front office has my prayers for being able to make the best decision on hiring a manager to get our Reds further into the playoffs.

    Go Reds!!

    laus Deo

  5. Reading Bronson Arroyo’s comments, he sure makes a very strong case for Bryan Price. LeCure’s comments were very telling, too. LeCure’s comment about needing someone to come in and “ruffle some feathers” is interesting.

    If Bryan Price is the man selected, I can see some assistants being gone and some staying. Jacoby gone, Spier gone, Berry not sure, Hatcher stays and the other pitching coaches stay.

    • @bigjas: This is crazy. That comment blaming the pupils is ugly. Sure enough, the players are ultimately to blame, but there was plenty to go around, and you don’t need to throw them under the bus like that, even in private.

      Dusty was a loyal to his grave type of man. He was going to go down with the ship (his veteran players and coaches) no matter what it cost the franchise. Dusty did great things and I thank him for his service, but it was his time to go.

    • @bigjas:

      That quote about the players is pretty shocking to me. It kind of makes me think this was the best situation for all parties involved. I didn’t want to believe a rift formed between Dusty and the players but it certainly seems like it did.

      Here’s to hoping we get the next Joe Maddon.

    • @bigjas: This article made me want to weep….not!!! If anyone needs confirmation that the club made the right decision, this is it.

    • @bigjas: Im very pro Dusty, but that article makes me glad he got fired. It shows he wanted out. Im mad we have to pay him $3.5 million. But Jockety does have alot of blame also.

  6. AH COME ON DUSTY!! How about a little class. “… Baker said the last few weeks had gotten ugly for him in Cincinnati with hate mail, much of it racial.”

    Please.

    • @TC: I hope that’s not true, though I’m sure it happened to some extent – there are a lot of @#$*%&s in the world. I guess I just hope the “much of it” is an exaggeration, that maybe the bad ones just stuck in Dusty’s mind. I’m sure they would stick in mine.

    • AH COME ON DUSTY!! How about a little class.“… Baker said the last few weeks had gotten ugly for him in Cincinnati with hate mail, much of it racial.”

      Please.

      Baker played the race card on his way out of SF and CHC as well.

        • @Jason1972: Playing the race card may still not mean he isn’t telling the truth. There’s a lot of race-hate in America.

          Absolutely no argument from me on that. And I have no doubt there are plenty of people out there in all three fan bases capable of making his statements true.

  7. Clknt Hurdle after the disappointing Game 1 loss: “It’s all on me”. Wow. Taking responsibility. What a concept.

  8. I’ll admit I was probably one of the few who supported Dusty throughout his tenure here. I gave him credit & thought one of his strong attributes was getting his players to play for him. I didn’t think he needed to be fired, but I will admit if I’m going to praise his ability to relate to players as one of his strong suites, I got to acknowledge he failed with this towards the end of this season. I still think it’s more on the players, but as the leader & manager, Dusty had & needed to be held responsible.

  9. I want to thank Dusty for helping guide the Reds out of the second division. He is a very decent man and a wonderful Christian. Yet, I’m looking forward to a new direction and a manager who will demand player accountability. Dusty was not unilaterally responsible for the Reds’ early exit from playoff competition. The front office and underachieving players share blame as well. So, with that said, the GM needs to shock himself out of his seasOb-long complacency regarding the roster.

  10. Sam LeCure is a very smart guy. His quotes are the most useful. Though I also like Arroyo’s comments. I really hope we can get Arroyo back.

  11. Good Lucky Dusty! I want to throw a name out there that will cause a stir in the nation no doubt. I feel this manager would wake up this organization like no other! Ozzie Guillen should be the next manager nation! I know I will get killed on here for this but if you think about it he would demand this team play hard and be on edge at all times!!!

    • @666wolverine: I think most who criticize you will do so not even really knowing much about Ozzie. Since he is an AL manager, most will only know him from the headlines. But you talk about the poler-opposite type of management style.

      As far me, I would not be in favor of Guillen. But mostly because even though he has a different style than Dusty, I think Dusty is just a better manager. I don’t want to go backwards.

      • @TC: I just want a manager who demands accountability and will have this team ready for the pressure cooker that is the postseason. No more of the “there’s always tomorrow” bs!!! I wanted Mattingly but since LA is doing great I’m sure he will no longer be an option.

  12. The CBSSport article is highly critical of WJ. All of it is fair game, I suppose, but it was heavily weighted in favor of the perspective of Dusty Baker. I guess I’m okay with that because I think Dusty should manage again very soon.

    It’s interesting the article says is was over firing Brook Jacoby. I think we could have all lived with Dusty another year if Brook had been let go.

  13. As far as other moves in the offseason, I still believe we could build a package around Chapman that could get the Marlins to pull the trigger on trading Stanton to us. The owner knows that Chapman would be a massive hit down there and sell tickets. I bet you we would get a deal all of us would be thrilled with.

    If Chapman is resigned to the bullpen with the Reds, this trade would be a great thing for the 2014 Reds.

    • @BearcatNation: I think that if such a deal were even to be considered, it would be a good one. The value of an everyday hitter like Stanton is immeasurable in GABP. Closers being overrated anyhow, the question is if Chapman truly is a rotation pitcher.

      The commentary on why this trade would never happen is inevitable. All the same, it’s a fun trade to discuss.

      The question is, if I am Miami, is what’s the half-life on a pitcher? Chapman can pitch forever at the back end of a bullpen. Miami doesn’t need a closer, they need hitters. Stanton, lucky for them, is one.

    • As far as other moves in the offseason, I still believe we could build a package around Chapman that could get the Marlins to pull the trigger on trading Stanton to us. The owner knows that Chapman would be a massive hit down there and sell tickets. I bet you we would get a deal all of us would be thrilled with.

      If Chapman is resigned to the bullpen with the Reds, this trade would be a great thing for the 2014 Reds.

      I think this is a beautiful pipe dream. Chapman has one year of team control left ($3m) and a player option of $5 for 2015. Stanton is in his first year of arbitration and under team control until 2016. The Marlins have already stated that Stanton is the player they want to build their franchise around. So if you are the Marlins do you take one guaranteed year of Chapman (who has never been stretched into a starter, career WAR 6.4) for three years of the more valuable Stanton (career WAR 14.8)?

      Honestly, put yourself in their shoes and Chapman just barely gets the conversation started. Be prepared to also give up an A list prospect, Hamilton or Stephenson, as well as 2-3 more of the organization’s top 25 prospects. If the Marlins even entertained the idea at all, you are looking at minimum:

      Chapman
      Hamilton or Stephenson
      2 of Winker, Travieso, Corcino, or Lotzkar
      1 more 10-25 guy

      Are you really willing to make that move for Stanton?

  14. Marvyn Lewis should get the ax if the Bengals don’t make it deep into the playoffs. I know this is a Reds blog, but I know many of us love both the Reds and Bengals. I’m looking forward to a Bengals victory over the Zpatriots on Sunday and an exciting 2014 season for our beloved Reds!

  15. The Reds are still evolving as a team and Dusty Baker was an important part of that process. He deserves a lot of credit for turning the Reds into a contending team. This season, unfortunately, demonstrated that Dusty and his style had played out. It was time for a change and I salute the Reds on both the timing and the change. I don’t have a list of possible new managers, but I do know the Reds need a Kirk Gibson type. I watched the D-Backs this year and they busted their butts for that guy.

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