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Titanic Struggle Recap: What’s this “losing” stuff?

Let’s recap tonight’s titanic struggle….

FINAL
Chicago (NL) 2
Cincinnati 0

W: T. Wood (9-11)
L: B. Arroyo (13-11)
S: K. Gregg (31)
BOX SCORE

POSITIVES
–Nice start by Bronson Arroyo, who gave up two runs on seven hits in seven innings. Arroyo struck out six and didn’t walk a batter, but he did surrender two solo homers that provided all the offense for the Cubs.

–Zack Cozart was 2-4 with two doubles (he’s not hit in 14 straight games). Joey Votto was 2-4 with two singles. Ryan Ludwick and Shin-Soo Choo each doubled.

NEGATIVES
–No offense. Lots of hacking.

–Brandon Phillips made a couple of very nice plays in the field (that’s a positive), but that quad is still obviously bothering him a lot.

NOT-SO-RANDOM THOUGHTS
–Very uninspired performance by the good guys tonight, especially after last week’s fireworks.

–Our old friend Travis Wood was very good again tonight, tossing seven shutout innings.

–Oh well. Can’t win ‘em all, I guess…but you’d certainly like to win all the ones in which you are playing the Cubs.

–Reds drop to two back of first-place St. Louis. Tony Cingrani will attempt to get the Redlegs back on track tomorrow.

Source: FanGraphs

28 thoughts on “Titanic Struggle Recap: What’s this “losing” stuff?

  1. that was a quick recap..

    not much to say other than no offense tonight.. which has happened too often this year..
    need to get the next 2.
    behind cards by 3 games in loss column – which is more significant at this point w/ only 17 to go.

    even Pirates are leading 1-0 in 8th. against Darvish .. so we will be in 3rd place 1 game behind pirates and 2 behind Cards, who have played less games than Reds.

    winning the pennat will be tough… can be done, but no more outings like tonight… there is a lot less “tomorrow” now.

    feel crappy about tonight’s performance but what else can i say

  2. This is the biggest rub against the Reds hitting philosophy. There’s no way this team can churn its lineup. How many times did we have more than 1 baserunner? Most of them were 2-out doubles.

  3. I only saw the 8th and 9th innings. Saw the Reds hit some line drives right at people. But also saw Bruce strike out on a pitch that appeared to hit the plate, and XP makes the final out on a 2-0 pitch that didn’t even look like a strike. He seemed to be thinking “hero” when after the count went 2-0 from a pitcher who walks people, he should also have been thinking, a walk gets us to Choo as the go-ahead run.

    Oh well. The Reds need some energy and Tony the Tiger will provide that tomorrow. If the Reds win the next 2, it’s still a great homestand.

    • @pinson343: It was a very poor decision for XP to swing at what should have been ball three, at least six inches below the knees. Not even really close.

      • @pinson343: It was a very poor decision for XP to swing at what should have been ball three, at least six inches below the knees.Not even really close.

        I’m so confused. It’s not OK for Bruce and Paul to swing at balls but Votto is supposed to?

  4. Here’s hoping they can get to E. Jackson tomorrow. A right hander who has been very inconsistent and hittable this year. Bruce needs to refocus as he seemed lackadaisical tonight in his plate approach (or needed to read the scouting report, if any, especially re Pedro Strop). And Ludwick needs to get more at-bats. He may never come around, but who is better in his place, really?

  5. Another negative. Dusty sending Soto up as the first PH off the bench over Heisey, Mesoraco, Izturis, Leake, Hamilton..

  6. Sunday night on the ESPN postgame, Bruce said something about now they would have a little bit of a break; and so, I wasn’t surprised by the effort tonight.

    Hopefully the will shock them back into high gear and they will be riding an 8 game win streak when the fist game with the Pirates starts. That certainly should not be out of the realm of possibility given the opposition.

  7. Pirates beat the Rangers 1 nil on back to back doubles by Byrd and Alvarez in the 7th.

    That was about the only opportunity they had in the game; and, the Rangers didn’t really even have one that good. Their best shot was 2 on with 2 outs in the 6th thanks to back to back walks.

    This well might have been a season saver for the Bucs given how they were manhandled in StL.

  8. That’s the 10th shutout loss this year. They only had 4 in 2012. Pretty astounding when you consider the addition of Choo. Overall the offensive numbers are up this year, but for some reason they seem to come out flat every now and then.

  9. Not sure if this is the right place for this question, but here it goes…..

    How would it play out if there were a tie for first place in the Central Division? Would the two teams tied atop the division play each other for the division title on 9/30 and then the loser turn around and have to play the wildcard game on 10/1? If so that seems like a pretty significant disadvantage for the division runner-up over the third place team who would have a day off on 9/30. It would sure make for some interesting pitching rotation decisions.

      • @BenL: Sorry, I didn’t read carefully… That article was on the possibility of a three way tie. I think you are right about a two way tie, but I’m not 100% sure.

        • @BenL: No problem. I had the same question about a 3 way tie as well but that seems far less likely than the two way tie scenario. Thanks for the link!

    • @Kyle Farmer: The more I think about this, it sets up a possible scenario where both the Reds and Pirates might want to lose on the last Sunday of the season. The Reds would want to lose to avoid going to St. Louis for an extra game and the Pirates wanting to lose to force both Cincy and St. Louis to play and extra game. All of this would be based on the Reds being in a position to tie the Cards for the division on the final day of the season, which I don’t think will happen, and on the idea that the Reds would rather be the Wild Card team than have a chance to win the division in a one game tie breaker in St. Louis. It sure is fun to think about.

  10. This seemed like a game the Reds were going to have trouble winning because of the let-down after what must have been a pretty exhausting stretch of games against the Cards and Dodgers coupled with the fact that Wood has given the Redlegs fits all season. Therefore, I am going to choose to see this game as a blessing in disguise.

    The loss drops the chances of winning the division below 20%. So, maybe instead of a full pedal to the metal, 3 week stretch fighting for the division, the Reds can shift their focus to getting healthy, rested, and ready for the playoffs. Catching the Pirates for home field advantage is a much more realistic goal given the number of games we play head-to-head against them.

    I say get BP healthy, don’t push Cueto or Marshall too fast, give Reynolds a start if you’re worried about Cingrani’s innings, let Hannahan and Izturis get some ABs in case we need them in the playoffs, make sure Votto/Choo/Bruce are as fresh as possible, and above all else, get that pitching rotation set up to win the wildcard game and then make a run to a championship.

    I hate the fact of giving up on the division, but we’ve just given away too many games over the course of the season (TOOTBLANs, bunts, and errors). Time to regroup and go with plan B. I’m sure the Cardinals would tell us that celebrating a World Championship isn’t any less sweet just because you didn’t win the division.

  11. I guess it’s reasonable for Dusty to have tried Soto a few times. Heisey (and Ludwick the other day) have reverse splits, and let’s imagine for a moment that Mesoraco is slumping partly because he’s hurt. So you’ve got Soto, Corky, and a bunch of uninspiring switch hitters.

    Having run this experiment a few times, though, I hope Dusty stops doing it and goes back to Heisey or an uninspiring switch hitter for any important pinch hit opportunity. Because Soto doesn’t look like he belongs up here.

    Wood is a good pitcher. We had a few at-em balls, and a few disappointing at bats like XPs to close out the game. It happens–let’s put it behind us and win the next 2.

  12. A lot of hard hit balls at the end of that game. I thought Votto had a nice swing that just didn’t cut to the LF corner enough.

    • @Matt WI: Paul’s problem, in short, is Ludwick. The guy is rusting away on the bench. The annoying part of the entire puzzle is that we have virtually zero hitting depth on the bench. If you can get Heisey out on anything off the plate, the rest of these reserves are gambling on a lazy slider. A composite .180 bench … scary. Hell, Cingrani is the best of the bunch because he can at least bunt for a hit. Leake would be next.
      Lame.

  13. Well, I figure this game was karmic payback for sweeping the Dodgers. Bottom line, the trendline is still very positive.

    The Soto thing has to stop, though. It’s embarassing. A Ludwick/Paul platoon is the best you have. You’re not helping either of them by not playing them consistently. Heisey is just gumming up the works…..in fact, I’d rather see Hamilton taking his at-bats.

  14. I don’t think Monday had anything to do with letdowns or karma.

    Wood is just a bad-ass. Plain and simple.

    Is it wrong for me to like a Cub? It does feel a little dirty…

    • @renbutler: The guy really has pitched well against the Reds all season. I, for one, am tired of lining up against him. Great to see him do well. Hurry back, Sean Marshall, so we can remember why we made that deal!

  15. FLAT. Pathetic offensive showing. Guys looked like they were ready to get it over with right outta the gate. Hopefully we get it in gear today.

    Go Reds!!!

  16. On a team that’s had, overall, great pitching, this is what happens when you leave too many runners in scoring position.

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