2013 Reds / Reds - General / Trade Deadline

Nothing.

Question: Which major league teams haven’t made a trade in the past month or so?

Answer: The Colorado Rockies, Philadelphia Phillies and Cincinnati Reds.

One of those teams is not like the others. Colorado and Philadelphia are more than 15 games out of first place in their division. That means the complete list of major league baseball teams who are in contention that haven’t yet made a move to improve is: The Cincinnati Reds

That’s it. That’s the list.

Why did every other contending team make at least one trade? Mid-season acquisitions can fill roster gaps and boost the morale of the club.

Edmund Burke probably didn’t have the St. Louis Cardinals in mind (at least the post-Chris Carpenter/Tony LaRussa Cardinals) when he said it. But his famous warning from a different context still resonates here: All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Yet the July 31 trade deadline passed. And the August 31 revocable waiver trade deadline passes at midnight tonight and Reds’ General Manager Walt Jocketty has accomplished exactly that.

Nothing.

Do the Reds have needs? Yes, big and small. They’ve had their share of injuries and the active roster is replete with disappointments. Ryan Ludwick, Jonathan Broxton, Sean Marshall, Johnny Cueto, right off the top. Maybe a major trade wasn’t warranted, but the Reds haven’t made even a teeny tiny one. Jocketty hasn’t figured out a way to add a single player that could improve the Reds’ 25-man roster.

Not a relief pitcher with a better strikeout or walk rate than Logan Ondrusek or a lefty with a better track record than Zack Duke.

Not a middle infielder with a better bat than .172/.232/.207 to replace Cesar Izturis.

Not a third baseman with a better bat than .215/.324/.273 to replace Jack Hannahan.

Sure, there are plenty of explanations and excuses. The Reds’ minor league system is relatively short on trade chips. Trading was more difficult this year because of rule changes on free agency and compensations picks. The second wild card slot gives more teams hope to contend. The other teams were making unreasonable demands. Ludwick, Broxton and Marshall will be back, good as new, just you wait. Schottzie ate our homework.

Consider all those rationalizations. Then refresh your memory of the rather short list of contending teams that failed to make a trade. Somehow, other GM’s got something done.

The Detroit Tigers acquired a starting shortstop and front-line reliever. The Texas Rangers acquired Matt Garza and Alex Rios. The Orioles made three trades, so did the Kansas City Royals and the Atlanta Braves. The Pittsburgh Pirates found a starting outfielder and a backup catcher. All told, more than 30 trades were completed.

The Reds’ inaction is a head scratcher. Walt Jocketty is successful, experienced, talented, driven and hard-working. As the Reds’ GM, he’s had his share of missteps, but also many great triumphs. It’s difficult to understand the apparent complacency.

But it looks like the Reds are about to enter the final few weeks of the season with the same flawed roster they’ve struggled with for months.

70 thoughts on “Nothing.

  1. While I understand that, emotionally, it’s hard to watch the Reds not do anything, it doesn’t bother me. There have been a lot of studies done showing that mid-season trades very, very, very rarely have any meaningful impact at all. It was also a shallow pool this year, at least where the Reds had needs. Much of what you mention are bench players, and frankly, I don’t think Hannahan and Izturis are getting many at bats between now and the end of the year.

    So, I get the sentiment, but I don’t necessarily agree with it.

      • @Steve Mancuso: Who were they going to get? Axford? There is not meaningful difference between Ondrusek and Axford.

        If you make the right decision and it doesn’t work, it’s still the right decision. Last night’s game might end up mattering and it might not. We won’t know until the end of the season.

    • @Jason Linden: I understand what you’re saying, but in the playoffs, the Reds need every small edge they can get (and lord knows, Dusty gives away his fair share as it is). There will be key situations where the Reds need a pinch hitter or pinch runner, and the Reds will turn to Hannahan. Izturis pretty much doesn’t even serve a purpose. At least someone else would have the possibility of hitting a HR or providing some positive outcomes.

      • @CP: But again, who are you getting? What backup middle infielders are available and how much better are they than what the Reds have? Much of the problem stems from the modern bench and inflated pitching staffs. There used to be a dedicated pinch hitter on the bench to go with the Heisey/Paul extra OF types. That would usually give you several good pinch hitting options and you could carry the extra shortstop who can’t hit. But now benches are too small. The Reds have to have a backup shortstop. How many backup shortstops can really hit?

        • @CP: The Reds have to have a backup shortstop. How many backup shortstops can really hit?

          Why do the Reds “Have” to have a backup shortstop? It’s not like Cozart is so old he might break down. We know Frazier could play short in a pinch.

    • While I understand that, emotionally, it’s hard to watch the Reds not do anything, it doesn’t bother me. There have been a lot of studies done showing that mid-season trades very, very, very rarely have any meaningful impact at all. It was also a shallow pool this year, at least where the Reds had needs. Much of what you mention are bench players, and frankly, ***I don’t think Hannahan and Izturis are getting many at bats between now and the end of the year.***

      So, I get the sentiment, but I don’t necessarily agree with it.

      Izturis might not get many, but even one is TOO many. I am not a huge fan of trades for the sake of trades either, but getting a viable backup to replace Izturis wouldn’t be for the sake of the trade. It’d be to get rid of one of the worst batters in the ENTIRETY OF BASEBALL right now.

      • I mean, 112 ABs from a .460 OPS is disgusting. Corky Miller, Mike Leake, and Tony Cingrani are all better this season.

        • @ToddAlmighty: Sure, that’s terrible. But look at the other NL contenders:

          Pittsburgh has given 110 PAs to Inge, who has an OPS of .442.
          Atlanta’s starting CF has and OPS of .562.
          Dodgers have given 128 PAs to Cruz, who has an OPS of .344.
          St. Louis has been running Pete Kozma out at SS all year. His OPS is .543.

          Everybody has a pathetic hitter somewhere the fact that some of them are starting shows how hard it is to find decent hitters. There’s a reason basically no backup infielders can hit AND field.

    • @Jason Linden: An effective back end arm since the ASB would have had the Reds even with or leading the Birds and Bucs. KRod was out there all along, just off the top of my head. Some of the noncontenders probably would have parted with effective closers.

      I would have liked to seen the Reds make the effort as opposed to shuffling Partch, Cristiano et al

  2. Think a lot of it is that the Reds’ Minor League system is wanting of available talent. Eric Young, Jr. may have been interesting though. The teams that you list, I believe have strong farm systems but I could be wrong.

    Also, Dusty seem to place value on guys like Izturis & Hannahan. Why? Who knows but I’n doubting Walt shares this opinion.

  3. “Walt Jocketty is successful, experienced, talented, driven and hard-working. As the Reds’ GM, he’s had his share of missteps, but also many great triumphs. It’s difficult to understand the apparent complacency.”

    Well, you could start by considering the possibility that you have access to a tiny fraction of the relevant information that Jocketty and all other GM’s use to make their decisions. You could also consider the possibility that there is a zero percent chance that you, or anybody here, know more, understand more, or care more about the success of the Reds than those who are paid to make these decisions. I’m not suggesting that criticism of the front office’s moves, or lack of moves, is never warranted. But this article just silly.

    I remember just a couple of years ago many Reds fans were calling on Jocketty to trade for Ubaldo Jiminez (I’m not saying that anyone here was among those people, because I frankly have no idea if they were). But given his track record in recent years, I’m very glad the Reds never traded for him. A few years before that, Paul Daugherty was critical of the Reds for not trading Homer Bailey and Joey Votto for Joe Blanton. Nothing needs to be said about that potential deal. Sometimes not making a deal is the best deal to be made. The fact is you have no idea what deals were on the table that Jocketty turned down, or what offers he made to other teams.

    • @AndyS: I think you’re missing the point of the article. The Reds don’t exist in a vacuum, other teams have made very reasonable trades, and we can look at those and assess the market. With that understanding, I think it is perfectly reasonable to question why the Reds weren’t able to make any kind of upgrade this year.

      Clearly if the deals being made in baseball were all total ripoffs, then this article would never have been written. But decent relievers and bench guys were acquired all over baseball for very reasonable costs.

      • @al: Which players that have been traded would you have wanted the Reds to acquire? I’m honestly asking. Axford is no good anymore. Byrd, maybe, but a month of him for a decent prospect plus a player to be named, I don’t know. Not to mention I don’t know that he’s a huge upgrade over Heisey/Ludwick/Paul. Who else?

    • @AndyS:

      Well, you could start by considering the possibility that you have access to a tiny fraction of the relevant information that Jocketty and all other GM’s use to make their decisions. You could also consider the possibility that there is a zero percent chance that you, or anybody here, know more, understand more, or care more about the success of the Reds than those who are paid to make these decisions. I’m not suggesting that criticism of the front office’s moves, or lack of moves, is never warranted. But this article just silly.

      All I was saying in this silly article was that given the various large and small holes in their roster, it’s odd that the Reds are literally the only contending team in baseball that hasn’t made a move. I think it’s borne from a complacency that the organization has suffered from since the start of the year.

      You want to have it both ways. On the one hand, you point out that outsiders don’t have the information, understanding, knowledge, or caring of those on the inside (which I largely agree with). On the other, you claim you aren’t saying criticisms of moves/non moves is never warranted. Please explain how we know which criticisms are legit and which aren’t.

      • @Steve Mancuso: The legitimate criticisms are the ones based in facts and information, not emotion. The idea that the Reds should make a move for the sake of making a move, or, as you said, to “boost the morale of the club” is ridiculous. You list the legitimate reasons why they haven’t made a move – the most important of which is the lack of viable trade chips – and dismiss them as rationalizations and excuses. You completely ignore the fact that Jocketty is not only charged with fielding a competitive team in 2013, but also a competitive team in 2014 and beyond. And comparisons to Pittsburgh are specious. That organization is where the Reds were in, say, 2010 – a decent young team with a very good farm system full of tradable assets. That’s not the Reds anymore.

        Legitimate criticisms are the ones that look at all the actual information and leave emotion at the door.

        • @AndyS: How can an outsider “look at all the actual information” if, as you said earlier, we “have access to a tiny fraction of the information.” See why I’m confused about what you’re saying?

          You’re the second person who described my post as “emotional” – in what sense is that true? I pointed out pretty specific shortcomings (with information!) of Izturis, Ondrusek, Duke etc. Izturis is the worst hitter in baseball. How hard could it be to improve on him?

          My sense is that the Reds are generally satisfied with what they have. Their goal seems to be making the postseason, which is all you can say about their chances. It may be my emotions speaking, but I’m disappointed if that’s all the higher they are shooting.

        • @Steve Mancuso: Again, when you list the factual reasons why the Reds haven’t made a move and dismiss them completely, it suggests that you’re letting your desire to see a move made cloud your judgement. Also, your response to Jason Linded above about Ondrusek’s home run last night suggests you’re reacting emotionally to last night’s loss.

        • @AndyS: Hint: my response to Jason above was an act of sarcasm. Last night wasn’t exactly the first time Ondrusek has failed. I even mentioned his strikeout and walk rate (more information!) in my original post.

        • @AndyS: @Steve Mancuso: Actually the 3 run HR, after allowing 2 base runners, is sort of a specialty of Ondrusek’s. He did it earlier this season to blow a game against the Cubs.
          I have several memories of this from previous seasons, don’t want to look it up.

          It just can’t be reasonably argued that an upgrade over Ondrusek, or a backup corner IFer upgrade over Hannahan, was just not do-able.

        • @Steve Mancuso: Izturis is a good example. As you point out, he would be easy to replace with someone better (as he is the definition of a replacement level player). However, he’s also only on pace to get about 25 ABs between now and the end of the season. Lets replace him with Barry Bonds in his prime. Over those 25 ABs Bonds is only going to be worth about 0.5 wins. What do you give up for that half win? Of course that’s not so realistic. How about this: Let’s replace him with Cozart’s evil twin (~2 WAR over 500 AB) which is probably a realistic-ish best case scenario. That translates to 0.1 win over 25 ABs (the ABs in which he’s replacing Izturis). How much will 0.1 win improve our chances of passing the Cards and Bucs? What do you give up for 0.1 win? Is it worth it?

  4. It’s not just the lack of trades. It’s the lack of anything beyond running the AAA shuttle bus all season. Guys have been DFA’d and waived and whatnot and still nothing.

    • @John: The 2011 Reds won 79 games. The 2013 Reds have won 75 games with 27 left to play. The 2013 Reds will, in all likelihood, make the post season.

      • @AndyS: Jocketty did not make a single significant trade to improve the team in 2011. That was the point.

        The goal isn’t just making the post season.

        • @John: Okay, but in retrospect you can argue that the trades the Reds didn’t make during the 2011 season allowed them to make the trades they did make that following offseason.

        • @AndyS: Well, I don’t know about easier. It’s probably exactly the same.

          I generally trust Walt Jocketty to make the right trades – although we came awfully close to landing Ben Revere instead of Shin-Soo Choo – and I obviously don’t have any inside information of a trade that he passed on that I’d have made.

          I’ll say it again, my only point was that the broad facts, that the Reds have some pretty low hanging fruit on their current roster, and that every other GM was able to figure something out, point to a complacency that disappoints me.

        • @Steve Mancuso: I think the root of our disagreement may lie in your use of the word “complacency.” It suggests that you think Jocketty hasn’t made moves because he doesn’t care, or he doesn’t see the flaws in the team that you see. I honestly and truly don’t understand how you can come to that conclusion. Has he made mistakes? Sure, although the Ben Revere trade that didn’t happen isn’t one of them and I don’t see the relevance of that. I mean, can we at least agree that the Reds are better off than they were in the Jim Bowden era?

          You say it’s easy to be against hypothetical trades that are assumed to be bad. I say it’s easy to be for hypothetical trades that are assumed to be good. I think I’m just going to leave it there.

  5. Right on time for this article, the Pirates grab Morneau.

    While he isn’t that big of an upgrade for the Pirates, it shows that they are willing to make moves.

    Anything, Walt. Just show us you are still alive!

  6. You can’t tell me there aren’t better replacements out there for Logan Ondrusek and Izturis. Actually, the best move today would be to cut Dusty Baker. That would be the biggest improvement the team could make.

  7. Even with Byrd and Morneau, I still think the Reds have a better lineup for a 7 game series with PIT.

    One game playoff though, anything can happen. Liriano being a lefty has an advantage over the Reds where Latos could just as easily shutdown that lineup too.

    • Even with Byrd and Morneau, I still think the Reds have a better lineup for a 7 game series with PIT.

      One game playoff though, anything can happen. Liriano being a lefty has an advantage over the Reds where Latos could just as easily shutdown that lineup too.

      Actually, I disagree. I think the Pirates lineup 1-8 is better than the Reds, and their bullpen is way better. The Reds bullpen is, frankly, pretty ordinary. It has been particularly bad lately.

      • @Hunt4RedsOctober:

        1B – Reds (obviously)
        2B – Reds, you can’t argue that Neil Walker is better than Phillips
        SS – Reds, Clint Barmes is garbage
        3B – Pirates
        C – More of a toss up since the Reds platoon
        RF – Reds
        CF – Pirates since they have the MVP at that position
        LF – Ludwick/Heisey/Paul versus Byrd…I guess the Pirates kinda win.

        Overall, how many positions do the Pirates DOMINATE the Reds at? Just one, which is 3rd base. CF and LF are more of a small upgrade versus the Votto to Morneau or Bruce to Jones.

  8. I can say I am no longer a fan of Jocketty. What does he do? We have gone all summer and he has done nothing. Heck, an idiot with 2 brain cells to rub together can bring guys up from the minors when needed.

    When was the last time anyone even saw or heard from Jocketty? The fact that the other teams in this division have at least made an effort to get better and the Reds haven’t is just sad.

    I’ll say it now, the Reds CANNOT win the division with the team they are putting on the field now.

  9. Maybe bringing up Billy Hamilton is the big move? Maybe he is the “spark”? Move Choo to LF, have a power bat in Ludwick off the bench?

    At this point, what’s the worst that can happen?

    • @rfay00: Although he’s done better recently, Hamilton hit .256/.308/.343 with the Bats this year. He’ll be used as a pinch runner, not much more if anything.

  10. My frustrations and disappointment with this team are too numerous to list. This subject is just another in the long list of WTF is going on and why?

    The bottom line is that the results are speaking volumes.

    Nero (Fill in the blank of a Reds name )fiddles as Rome ( Cincinnati Reds )burns.

  11. Does a player to be named later have that much value? I see that all the time. Axford just recently

    • @VaRedsFan: It depends. PTBNL are used in a couple situations. Sometimes the teams know which player they are talking about, but there is a reason they can’t be traded right at that moment – for example, I believe a team can’t trade a player until at least a year after they were drafted. Something like that. A targeted player may be injured and the teams just want to make sure the player recovers. Sometimes the player isn’t known. Teams exchange a list of possible players, then one of the teams gets to choose later. That lets the team have more information to base their decision. But yeah, usually the PTBNL aren’t world beaters.

  12. The thing is, with players like Broxton, Marshall, Heisey, and Marshall coming back from the DL, it was equivalent to making a trade. It just didn’t cost us anything.

    • The thing is, with players like Broxton, Marshall, Heisey, and Marshall coming back from the DL, it was equivalent to making a trade.It just didn’t cost us anything.

      Broxton isn’t coming back, Marshall probably isn’t coming back.

    • @steveschoen: Broxton of course is done for the season. It looks less and less likely that Marshall is coming back. I think you meant to mention Cueto above. He might not be coming back – if he does, only to relieve.

      • @pinson343: Well, I did think that readers of my post would have assumed things like Brox just recently out for the season,that the plans were the entire time with Brox being there. just it was suupose to be for Cueto but looking less likely there as well.

  13. A fairly reasonable trade might have been Heisey for a middle infielder/utility upgrade over Izzy. Heisey like Chapman is underutilized in Cincy and has more value to the Reds wearing another uniform. But outside of that, who would you deal that has decent value to receive decent value. Hamilton, CinGranny, Stephenson, Rodriguez, Winkler…. Does Corcino have any real value right now. Robinson? Lutz? I don’t know, things are pretty barren at the moment.

    Chappy would be the guy to deal in the off season and I would consider Homer as well if JC returns to health and that is a huge if. Reds need offense or……..preferably a new skipper and see where we go from there.

  14. Maybe it has been mentioned, but do the Reds have much to offer in a trade? The Reds overspent on one too many deals too, so they are strapped.

  15. This is folly. You upgrade your bench by trading for other bench players who haven’t been with the team and, therefore by default, MUST be better than what you have. You trade average middle relievers for other middle relievers who are available because … what … they are by default better than the ones you have? You don’t upgrade by trading scraps.

    Trading just to make trades may make you feel better emotionally that the team upgraded … and it’s only perception.

    Yes you need a backup shortstop. Infielders get hurt.

    • @Johnu1: In the abstract, what you says has some ring of truth. But statistically, there are players being moved who absolutely are improvements over what we have. Most are being acquired for small salaries or low level minor leaguers.

  16. Reds fans need to stop making excuses for front office, management, and the players and start demanding actual results. I really don’t understand why Reds fans would be satisfied if they just (barely) made the playoffs. What’s the point of making the playoffs when you either not going to put up a contest or completely choke?

    • @antisocial21: I like this comment very much. Clearly there are a large percentage of fans who don’t take a deep look at numbers, see the Reds have a winning record, and assume the likelihood of a playoff run.

      The object is (to quote Major League) “to win the whole fricking thing.” This is year 4 of the playoff-ready Reds with Dusty Baker at the helm. Just making the playoffs shouldn’t be enough, but for some it is plenty.

  17. Deep down inside Walt Jockety still roots for the Cardinals. As long as he’s in Cincy, he’ll continue to destroy this team by giving away out draft picks, bringing in old guys past their prime or not making any moves at all

  18. Well done, Steve. Yes, we don’t exist in a vaccum. Could’ve had Byrd for chump change the rest of the season. Anyone who says he couldn’t help (like playing vs. lefties while Choo sits) needs their head examined.

    At the very least, couldn’t Walt have showed us that at least the lights are on in the front office by blocking the acquisitions of the Pirates and Cardinals? It’s like they have some misplaced code of honor, like we’re gonna let them have whomever they want and settle it on the field like gentlemen. Reminds me of colonial warfare, where you march in rows right up to the enemy.

  19. And the Pirates improve for the 2nd time this week while this mickey mouse organization trots out Logan OndruSUCK and “the savior” Ryan Ludwick in the 4 hole. STOP GOING TO GAMES PEOPLE. This organization obviously doesn’t care about the fans.

    • @EastCoastVibes: Attendance is at 2.5 million right now. Not going to games is not going to help this year. I fully agree that if Dusty is managing next year, no one should go.

      I’ll be writing a letter or three to Bob C after the end of this season. At the very least, It’ll make me feel better.

  20. Excellent article, Steve. One word that you use — complacency– perfectly describes the GM, coaching staff, and the team itself. There’s no sense of urgency, just ennui.

  21. I wish I knew the inner conversations that go on between Walt and Dusty. It could be that Dusty is the one that opposes changing roster. I’m not trying to be a Dusty basher here, just throwing out a possibility. Obviously it’s ultimately Walts job to do what he thinks is best for the team no matter what Dusty thinks, but it seems like Dusty gets what he wants most of the time. This could be perception because I have no inside knowledge.

    • @HOF-13: It does seem like Dusty always gets what he wants – no better example that Chappy remaining the closer. I’ve never seen an organization cave in to the whimsy of a manager like that.

  22. Three thoughts:

    We are all here because we are Reds fans. That means that we are more intimately familiar with the strengths and weaknesses of the Reds than of any other team. There is no doubt that Izturis and Ondrusek are completely replaceable. They add nothing special to this team and there is clear room for improvement. But neither one of them is EVER entrusted with a critical role. The Reds simply don’t lose games because Izturis was inadequate (though he is), and only very rarely does Ondrusek play a crucial role. We are all aware of their shortcomings because we live and breathe Reds baseball, but they are not so much worse than the dregs of other teams’ rosters that they are somehow the difference between a wild card slot and a division title. And every other team has players that their most devoted fans wish were on somebody else’s roster. It’s not Izturis and Ondrusek that are keeping the Reds from a division crown or a world series ring.

    I too am disappointed that the Reds haven’t upgraded this year. But it’s not Izturis or Ondrusek or even Hannahan that bothers me. It’s Ludwick and Heisey and Choo. An impact player batting from the right side could (IMHO) have made a difference this year. I said it in April and I’ll say it again now. I think when the Angels were struggling early this year and the Reds had a surplus of starting pitching (and yes, I understand that is no longer the case), and a need for a right handed bat, that starting pitching would have landed Mark Trumbo. I know that’s hypothetical and you can all disagree as much as you like as to the viability of such a trade and the wisdom of such a trade, but my point is not that Trumbo should be in left field for the Reds now, it’s that THAT was the time when I became disenchanted with Jocketty’s inability to upgrade this team.

    Finally, I know many of the observations I make here are simply a restatement of ideas that have been expressed in other (and many times better) ways, but let me point out something that I have not seen here yet and which nevertheless I strongly believe to be true. The Reds believe they can win the world series this year. We may not, but there are 25 or so baseball players on the team we all root for that believe that is possible. The need to win the division or at least a wild card berth. If they win a wild card, they need to win ONE key game (toward which end they have at least two pitchers that will give them an excellent chance to do that – Bailey and Latos). And then they need to win three straight series against very good teams. That’s a lot to ask I know, and seven of eight teams that make the (real) playoffs will fail at that. Seven very good teams. But one will succeed. And I promise you that the Reds believe they can be that one team. I didn’t say they KNOW they will, or even that they THINK they will, but I did say that they believe they CAN. So I choose to believe it too. That’s what fans do.

  23. Steve, I normally agree with you, but I don’t see the Reds lack of trade movement as complacency. I just think the cupboard is bare. The Reds paid a steep, steep price for Latos (worth it IMO) and then the biggest chip of that deal gets busted for PEDs. Maybe Walt’s trust level among other GMs took a hit?

  24. I think we get in a fantasy league mentality sometime. As said above the cupboard is probably bare for any prospects that would get another team to take on complete salary.

    It’s quite possible the Reds are over budget. The player budget was raised significantly this year, and there are increased costs everywhere, and they may be in a bind until the next FSO contract comes in (2015?).

    There has been a significant amount of injuries this year, meaning a lot of call ups getting at least major league minimum, this stuff adds up as well. Attendance maybe did not pace expectations either.

    It’s not to say the Reds are broke, but if you have set a budget and are exceeding it, and you have a long term plan, you often derail that plan if you bust the budget for even one year.

  25. I think since Heisey and Ludwick were coming back from injury, I think the need to get an outfielder just wasn’t there. Both of them have hit ok since coming back.

    They perhaps might have looked for a lefty reliever, but I think they have gotten by ok with Parra. They probably will have Cingrani to add to the pen for the last couple weeks of the year and have gotten vet Zach Duke to fill the roll as additional loogy for now.

    Thing that has hurt is that Todd Frazier has really just continues to really struggle at the plate. He’s played great in the field. Thing is that if you go and get say Michael Young to play third, one he’s a downgrade with the glove and two you are pretty much giving up on Frazier. I don’t think the Reds are to that point with Frazier.

    As for Izturis and Ondrusek – they are the last two places on the roster. I don’t think the Reds count on anything from Izturis’ bat, they just want someone that is a very effective glove if needed. Reds probably have some better options than Ondrusek, but I don’t think it would be a game changer if they did have someone else in his role.

    • @earl: Nice post. Young as you might know said he would not waive his no-trade for the Reds.

      And Ondrusek will not make the post-season roster.

      • @pinson343: It’s kind of curious why a guy like Michael Young wouldn’t want to go to Cincy, but I don’t think the Reds were probably that interested anyway. I did think it was kind of funny early on in trade rumors around Young that he would “accept a trade to Texas” considering they sent him packing after last year.

        None of these guys the Pirates, Dodgers or Cards got are guys the Reds would have wanted.

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