2013 Reds / Titanic Struggle Recap

Titanic Doubleheader Recap: Go to bed, Nation

Let’s recap tonight’s titanic struggle….

FINAL — Game One
Cincinnati 9
San Francisco 3

W: T. Cingrani (4-1)
L: E. Surkamp (0-1)
BOX SCORE

FINAL — Game Two
San Francisco 5
Cincinnati 3

W: S. Casilla (4-2)
L: G. Reynolds (0-1)
S: S. Romo (24)
BOX SCORE

POSITIVES
Game One
–After shellacking the Giants last night, the Reds wasted no time today, scoring seven runs in the first three innings of game one of this doubleheader.

–Zack Cozart went 4-4, with his eighth homer, three runs scored, and two RBI in the opener. It’s difficult to imagine Cozart having a better day at the plate.

–Devin Mesoraco continued his hot hitting, going 3-4 with his 6th homer, a run scored, and 3 RBI. Joey Votto also homered.

–Chris Heisey and Todd Frazier had two hits each. Frazier drove in two. Jay Bruce and Brandon Phillips each doubled.

–The bottom four in the Cincinnati order had ten hits between them.

–Tony Cingrani pitched into the seventh inning, allowing two runs on five hits. Dusty Baker did leave Cingrani in for 118 pitches

Game Two
–Frazier had three more hits, two of which were doubles, with a run scored and an RBI. Jay Bruce had three hits and scored two runs. Joey Votto had two hits. Corky Miller got a sweet two-run double.

–JJ Hoover pitched a perfect sixth inning, while Curtis Partch tossed two scoreless frames. That’s the best I’ve seen Partch pitch.

NEGATIVES
–Cesar Izturis “hit” second in the game-two lineup. No excuse for that, ever.

–Greg Reynolds got off to a very rough start in his first start since being called up from AAA Louisville, allowing three Giants to score in the first inning. While Reynolds’ final line looked really bad — 5 runs on 8 hits in five innings — he actually settled down nicely to keep the Reds in the game.

NOT-SO-RANDOM THOUGHTS
–After 17 hits last night, the Reds had 15 in game one and another ten in game two tonight. The offense is rounding into shape.

–I find that I enjoy George Grande much more now than I used to. I can take his folksy manner much better in short doses. That said, if I have to listen to him say “Cin-granny” one more time, I’m going to take a hostage.

–Greg Reynolds’ start in the nightcap was his first start since 2011. And while he wasn’t fooling anyone out there tonight, Reynolds did appear to have some outstanding movement on his pitches.

–It was really strange seeing the Reds batting last, on the road, in game two tonight. If you have forgotten, this was the makeup game from the rainout last week in Cincinnati.

–From the second through ninth innings in game two, the Reds had runners in scoring position every inning.

–As Marty Brennaman noted, Giants manager Bruce Bochy wasn’t afraid to bring in his closer for the four-out save.

–I’m exhausted. Good night.

52 thoughts on “Titanic Doubleheader Recap: Go to bed, Nation

  1. -Love the hit parade the past 3 games. Hopefully that continues into LA, SD, and beyond.

    -I still think this DH should not have been played. I think the Reds should have insisted on waiting to see if the game was necessary at the end of the season. It is unlikely SF will be in the hunt for a WC or division (LA or Arizona will win). If the game had no bearing, then it wouldn’t be played. However, if the Reds needed a win to secure the division/1st WC/2nd WC spot, you would have an uninspired SF team traveling across country to play a Reds team at home needing a win. I say the Reds win that game 90% of the time.

    • -Love the hit parade the past 3 games. Hopefully that continues into LA, SD, and beyond.

      -I still think this DH should not have been played. I think the Reds should have insisted on waiting to see if the game was necessary at the end of the season. It is unlikely SF will be in the hunt for a WC or division (LA or Arizona will win). If the game had no bearing, then it wouldn’t be played. However, if the Reds needed a win to secure the division/1st WC/2nd WC spot, you would have an uninspired SF team traveling across country to play a Reds team at home needing a win. I say the Reds win that game 90% of the time.

      Completely agree with you. The Reds caved to major league baseball on this one.

  2. Bochy also wasn’t afraid to pull his starter knowing he wouldn’t qualify for the win. Winning the game was more important than the stat.

  3. Great night for a lot of the guys and the pen is really performing. The most exciting thing is seeing the bats coming to life and it is pretty much across the board.

    Only negative tonight:

    LOB
    Izturis – 3
    Hannahan – 2
    Miller – 3

    Some don’t think the door is starting to close on the season but maybe Steve Mancuso can tell us the big picture. Say if the Cards go .500 the rest of the way, what is the record the Reds need to win the division. I’m not excited about a WS slot but certainly would take it. How many of us would be comfortable with our current manger in a 1-game play-in game, I don’t know.

  4. NO excuse for Izturis to be batting 2nd. Our 7 and 8 hitters go 7-8 with 2 HR and 4 RBI in Game 1 and they sit on the bench in Game 2, good stuff. I like Reynolds, he was a good pick up, obviously had nerves in the first 2 innings, he will only get better, Reds need to keep him. Our bats need to stay hot the rest of this road trip, especially against LAD. Hopefully Leake shuts em down and we take 3 out of 4

    • NO excuse for Izturis to be batting 2nd. Our 7 and 8 hitters go 7-8 with 2 HR and 4 RBI in Game 1 and they sit on the bench in Game 2, good stuff. I like Reynolds, he was a good pick up, obviously had nerves in the first 2 innings, he will only get better, Reds need to keep him. Our bats need to stay hot the rest of this road trip, especially against LAD. Hopefully Leake shuts em down and we take 3 out of 4

      Reynolds is nothing more than a AAAA pitcher. He heads back to AAA and hopefully we never see him again.

        • @TC: TC, you yourself said it’s pretty hard to win with an 89 MPH fastball. Arroyo, Leake do it, but not many guys do.

          Most likely, Reynolds is exactly an AAAA pitcher. He does not pitch like Jake Westbrook, and if you don’t, K’ing 5 guys per 9 at AAA bodes pretty ill.

  5. Cesar Izturis “hit” second in the game-two lineup. No excuse for that, ever.

    The second I saw him in the 2-hole, I laughed then thought: only Dusty. Name one other Manager in baseball who would bat Izturis 2nd? Answer: There’s isn’t one. It’s inexcusable.

    FYI: with the Giants win in the 2nd game, Bruce Bochy now has 1500 career wins. That puts him 21st all time. What’s interesting, while watching the Giants broadcast, they put up a stat showing the all-time wins for Manager’s plus # of titles. Dusty is 16th with 1,634 but the glaring “0” next to Dusty’s name on World Series won was glaring. Bochy has two.

  6. Everything about that game 2 was just wrong, from the scheduling to the uniforms to Dusty’s line-up. It feels like a 100% throw-away game. If one game makes a difference in the standings in the end it will be a bitter pill to swallow.

    • @vared: What really miffed me hearing that the fans booed because the Reds were wearing their home uniforms. Hey SF, you got an extra home game. What are you booing about?

      George refused to hear the way Chris was saying Cingrani all game. Chris kept saying his name, almost as if he was trying to correct George without be overt.

      • @TC: Yeah, this was really getting to me. His three pronunciates were as follows:

        1) Cin-GRANNY (Most common from Grande)
        2) Cin-GRAH-nee (Correct!)
        3) Cin-GRAIN-ee (Just no)

  7. Yeah. Izturis. Baker isn’t doing him any favors. Though I do like watching him play defense, his offense leads to no excuses for him to be out there flashing the leather.

    I was really excited to watch Greg Reynolds. After he got shelled in the 1st I gave up on the game and went to bed. But like Chad said, the boy has got a lot of movement on his pitches. The balls were going everywhere. And he controls them pretty well as well. It would be a beautiful thing if not for the Giants making contact. How he is able to control that much movement for strikes is beyond me. But I’m afraid only Bronson can throw a 90 MPH fastball and get away with it in the majors. His stuff just doesn’t translate well at the moment. Still though, I hope they are able to hold on to him.

  8. Every time George Grande broadcasts when Cingrani is pitching I hate having to listen to Cin-granny all night it’s so annoying. By the hundreds of times the ther announcers say his name correct, you would think Grande would learn.

  9. I wasn’t on line all night…what was up with Baker pitching Cingrani 120 pitches? Did Baker say anything about it?

    • @Hank Aarons Teammate: I assume it was to save the bullpen as much as possible with the double header and a AAA pitcher slated for game 2. Personally, I think the pen was plenty rested and protecting Cingrani should have been a higher priority.

      • @RiverCity Redleg: That was my thought. We were talking about between 0 and 1 extra bullpen inning (turned out to be they saved 2/3 of an inning), but it was pitches 103-120 for Cingrani. That’s just dumb, IMO.

  10. Also, this make up game cost the Reds, IMO. If they play one game, Cingrani vs Zito, the Reds probably win it. The DH cost the Reds extra, to me, as their bench players are definitely worse.

  11. Generally, I’m fine listening to Grande and Welsh. It’s a much more relaxing experience than Thom, who grates on my nerves, and if I doze off, Thom is likely to scream about some play and scare me awake. Yes, every batted ball not over the fence is a “looper”, in Grande’s book, but still.

    Welsh did say a pretty amazingly dumb thing, which was that “the most surprising thing about Cingrani is his K rate, because you’d never predict it’d be that high from his minor league numbers”. Well, he did K nearly 12 per 9 in the minors. You’d predict exactly what he’s doing looking at the numbers, though combined with scouting, you might predict a good bit less because he did it solely with a fastball.

  12. I’ve seen no mention of the Reds moving Marshall to the 60 day DL. Even with that move, the 40 man roster is now full and Ludwick is set to return within 3 weeks, but when Hanigan returns from the DL, Miller will get DFA’d again so that should clear the spot needed for Ludwick on the 40 man roster.

    Soto was optioned out to the Bats, still leaving 26 men on the 25 man roster. Cingrani stated that he was scheduled to go back to Arizona as a roster move to clear the 25 man roster, apparently leaving Reynolds on the 25 man roster and postponing a pitching roster decision for a few days.

    Something has to give regarding the pending roster moves. When Cingrani rejoins the 25 man roster, a pitcher will have to be removed from the 25 man roster. I’m not sure that Reynolds can be optioned out without risking losing him. Partch and Ondrusek may be the only pitchers with options available. When Ludwick comes back, an OF must be moved and that may also mean Robinson may be the odd man out as the only available OF with possible options remaining.

    The team just finished a 4 day break less than a week ago so no one needs a rest at this point (bullpen excluded from that statement), yet Dusty manages the 2nd game of the double header as another throw-away game. I can understand Miller catching one of the two games of the doubleheader, but Hannahan and Izturis? Listening to the announcers acting as Dusty’s mouthpiece in trying to justify his roster moves just shatters their credibility.

    • @Shchi Cossack: Yeah. Pete Rose is banned for life because he admitted to betting on Reds games and therefore, hypothetically, could have thrown games for the other team, despite no evidence that ever happened.

      Dusty Baker starts Cesar Izturis, Jack Hannahan and Corky Miller and uses Greg Reynolds as his pitcher and Major League Baseball isn’t even going to investigate?

    • @Shchi Cossack: There’s no choice but to send Cingrani back down. He has to finish out his 10 days.

      I have to believe the Reds aren’t so dumb as to start Reynolds Sunday over Cingrani. So yes, Reynolds will be available to any other team on his way down. This is not something to be overly concerned about, IMO. I would not care so much if Ondrusek went down instead, but Ondrusek is better than Reynolds out of the pen.

      • @Hank Aarons Teammate: Can someone clarify: are we certain that if we send Reynolds back down after this game–even with the doubleheader roster exemption–he’ll be exposed to waivers? If so, I assume they don’t intend to send him back down and he’ll stick around as a long man/emergency spot starter. Bye bye, Mr. Ondrusek. (With Partch’s stuff and his seeming improvement under Price’s eye it might be worth keeping him up instead of Logan. In either case, I don’t think they’ll just let Reynolds be picked up by another team so he’ll stay up.)

        • @Eric the Red: Reynolds is now on the 40-man roster, and assuming he still has options left, the Reds should be able to option him to AAA without exposing him to waivers.

          However, when Marshall is ready to come back, they will have to get him off of the 60-day DL and back onto the 40-man roster. Someone will then have to be taken off the 40-man roster, and if it happens to be Reynolds, they he would be exposed to waivers at that time. It could also be someone else, and then they would be exposed to waivers, unless they were put on the 60-day DL.

        • @al: I guess the broadcast had it wrong. This makes sense, then. Villareal can be punted when Marshall comes back.

  13. Sitting Cozart after his best offensive game of the year, sitting two left fielders who had both been hitting well, and batting Izturis second… any one of these moves is inexcusable, but doing all three in a game where a guy is making his first major league start, when you already knew in advance that Miller would be catching, is absolutely beyond belief. I wonder if there is literally NO limit to the things Baker can do without facing any consequences. If he starts platooning Votto and Hannahan, has Arroyo catching once a week, and plays only 7 position players every fourth game… would any of that cause anyone in the organization to encourage him to reconsider his strategy? Or would they just say “well, Dusty’s the one with managerial experience, so who are we to question what he’s doing with our millions of dollars?”

  14. The way Dusty just casually throws games away is maddening. Izturis, maybe. But not when Corky is playing. And not batting second! Oh, and Izturis ended up playing more innings than Cozart last night despite the fact Cozart has been hitting well lately. Couldn’t he have replaced Izturis instead of only getting one AB as a pinch hitter? Dusty’s bullpen moves worked out, but he was certainly playing with fire like it wasn’t all that important to try to win this game.

    I guess the Reds organization didn’t try too hard to win this game, letting the Giants leave town on the 4th rather than waiting to see if the game could be played, and then allowing it to be made up in SF. Disappointing all around.

  15. Consider this: The #1 starter on the DL 3 different times, the expected clean-up hitter out since opening day, the #1 lefty set-up man out all year, the #1 righty set-up man out for a month (and was probably pitching in pain before that), a manager without the first clue how to fill out a lineup card or manage a pitching staff, a #3 hitter struggling to get the big hit and a “home game” in San Francisco started by a career AAAA pitcher. And if the season ended today, the Reds would be in the playoffs. That ain’t all bad, is it?

    If we can stay within 5 games of St. Loo and Pittsburgh by the end of this road trip, then I am very optimistic. Next homestand starts with the Cardinals and the August/September schedule is much more manageable than that of June/July.

    • @homerandbruce: It ain’t all bad. But we’ve only got Choo this year. Votto and Bruce are in their primes and Phillips is looking at the wrong side of the aging curve for middle infielders. And if the season ended today, we’d get one do or die game, on the road, with Dusty as our manager, to try to get into the “real” playoffs. Bleh.

      • @Eric the Red: Beats a poke in the eye. I can be as negative as the next guy, but I am choosing to remain optimistic about this team’s chances. Get Votto going in big situations, keep Cozart out of the 2 hole, Get Cueto, Marshall and Ludwick back (although what Ludwick will actually contribute is questionable at this point and the Reds can be a force come the middle of August. Just hope we aren’t too far behind.

        As for the one game play-in, we had the Giants right where we wanted them in the NLDS last year. How did that work out? The one game doesn’t scare me. Sometimes clouds come with silver linings.

        • @homerandbruce: I like your optimism. I’m pretty sure we’ll end up in the WC game even if Dusty suddenly morphs into the greatest Manager in history because the Cards may win 98-100 games this year. But it does depress me to think about putting the best team we’re likely to see in a generation into a one-game playoff. (Does the name Al Leiter ring a bell?). Especially because I don’t trust Dusty to give us an edge in a one game playoff so that’s just one more bit of adversity we’ll have to overcome. But I hope we do it. Go Reds!

  16. Seems to me we have stumbled onto a pretty fair lineup based in games 1 & 2 of the series. Outside of BP, everyone is swinging a hot bat. Can Dusty leave well enough alone?

  17. Dusty really did manage to win one of two yesterday judging by the lineup card. I am sure it’s because he believes the rest makes the team more likely to win today and claim the series. However, as noted, they are just four games removed from the ASB and it wasn’t as if those starters were sleeping they were just spectating in the dugout. Really bad move.

  18. I’m surprised how few people have commented on Frazier playing Left. With Ludwick and Heisey hurt, and no LF production, Dusty didn’t play Frazier in Left. In tiny little GABP, he didn’t play Frazier in Left. Suddenly, with Heisey back (and hitting) he decides to play Frazier in SF’s huge Left Field? That would be weird enough. Coupled with the mysterious last-minute Heisey scratch on Monday, it’s pretty clear something is going on.

      • @LWBlogger: Heisey played the outfield in both games! His hamstring is healthy enough to play 13 innings, but not 18? How sophisticated is this hamstring science these days?

        • @Baseclogger: Robinson was healthy, too. The really odd thing was Dusty starting Frazier in LF in SF. That makes no sense. People seem to be ignoring it, which is almost as odd to me. All this time complaining about LF, no RH bat available, etc. and suddenly Dusty starts him out there in SF? And fans don’t seem to notice.

  19. Someone asked above, if the Cards go .500 from here out, what would it take for the Reds to win the division?

    The Cardinals have played 97 games, so if they finish 33-32, they would end up with 93 wins.

    The Reds have played 101 games, and with 57 wins right now, would need to go 37-24 the rest of the way to end up with 94 wins.

    That’s a .607 winning percentage, so certainly not out of the realm of possibilities, but it would mean getting hot in a hurry.

    • @al: I tend to think the only way the Reds have a prayer of catching St. Louis is if they win all but one or two of the remaining head-to-head. STL is too good to go .500 without some Redleg intervention!

    • @al: I see no reason the Reds can’t play .600+ baseball the rest of the way. The August/September sked is pretty soft, relatively speaking.

  20. Did the Reds have the right to turn down the make up date? I’m not clear on this.

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