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Game Thread: Pirates at Reds (2013.07.21)

Finish them!  The Reds have the opportunity to start the 2nd half of the season off with the best possible scenario.  A win today would complete a 3-game sweep of the Pirates and allow this club to continue to climb closer to the division lead while planting even more doubts into the Pirates that 2013 is going to play out just like 2011 and 2012.  But the Reds need to finish it off today.  A 1st inning like yesterday’s would go a long way in setting the tone for the sweep, wouldn’t it!?

As you wait for the Reds game, tune your TVs over to The Open Championship where things are all clustered at the top.  If I am not watching a Reds game, I can’t think of many sporting events better to watch than a golf major.  In all honesty, my remote will probably be getting a workout around 1:00 as The Open draws closer to an end and the Reds game begins.

But this site isn’t dedicated to golf.  It is dedicated to the Reds.  With that said, let’s break out the BROOOOOOOMS and cheer for the Reds to GOOOOOOOOOOO!

310 thoughts on “Game Thread: Pirates at Reds (2013.07.21)

      • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: I’m sure that Dusty’s response, if the media even ask him about it, is that with no days off on the road trip that includes a doubleheader, he had to do whatever he could to preserve the pitching staff. (After he bristles, that is.)

  1. This brook jacoby offense has not looked good today. Seriously, how much longer does Brook have with this team? Our right-handed batters are just awful.

  2. Horrible offense aside, in the 7th inning I was just amazed. Not in disbelief, because it’s happened so many times so I kind of had to figure it was going to happen.. I was more amazed at how many times I have sat in front of the TV saying “Hey Dusty, should probably take that starting pitcher out now.” and he leaves them in to blow a tie game or lead.

    Did ANYONE think it was good to let Bailey get up to 121 pitches and blow a 1-1 tie into a 3-1 deficit? Why does Dusty consistently let Bailey go back out there with high pitch counts? If it were anyone else, they wouldn’t be allowed to keep pitching, but apparently it’s cool to watch Bailey get left in there to pass the 120 pitch mark.

    • @ToddAlmighty: The thing is, he will get shelled in his next start on Friday against the Dodgers. It has happened every time this year when Bailey has thrown 120+ pitches.

  3. Am I understanding this right that instead of putting Mesoraco in when Paul was taken down, Soto was brought in, and Mesoraco was put in that spot after Soto made out? So, again, Mesoraco is great vs lefties and bad vs righties, and yet his next AB, if they get there, will be against Jason Grilli. Just idiotic. I really do not understand this move.

  4. Wow. I really am shocked and disappointed. I’m very against all the ridiculous bashing people have for Joey, but that should be a situation where he does better than that.

    • @BearcatNation: It’s not bashing. It is pointing out facts. I have seen zero bashing of JV but we are well into the season and he needs to start coming up big in those situations. Face the facts.

      The good news is that he is due and will produce. Sooner or later. But this is not the JV of 2010. make no mistake. We don’t need a weak grounder, we need him to drive that ball.

        • @BearcatNation: I will give you the walks. I never criticize him for that. He is not delivering in key situations this year for whatever reason.

        • @Hank Aarons Teammate: Nope just pointing out the facts. Is your perception. Any criticism of JV, Bruce or Homer is looked at as basing. I think it is ridiculous. Joey is not getting it done right now. Is he?

        • @CharlotteNCRedsFan: To me, bashing is stating negative comments that are false. “Votto is not a clutch player”, which is what I’ve been reading a lot of, isn’t true by the numbers. So, therefore, I think it’s bashing. Negative comments that are true by the numbers are not bashing, at least to me.

          Even though I don’t believe in clutch player stuff, if Votto were hitting .150 with RISP, at least the comment would be warranted.

        • @Hank Aarons Teammate: Joey Votto is a “clutch player” historically. He is anything but this year. Se my response post below. Go find them and I will not mention it again. But I watch 95% of the games and these old eyes are not seeing it. Maybe tomorrow but not today nor yesterday, etc. Whereas BP has delivered time-after-time this year and the smart guys say don’t believe your lying eyes.

  5. I think Votto is having back problems, something like a partial disk herniation which affects everything. He’s a step slow and his running looks (even more) awkward. That also explains his lack of confidence at the plate.

  6. Votto is so painfully slow, once again, how can he be 100%? When I saw that ball hit I figured “force at 2nd”. He was out by 15 feet. Good lord.

  7. Bases loaded, nobody out, Reds score one run. The glass half full outlook says, well, it could have been worse.

  8. Of course, it didn’t take Thom long to savage Votto. I mean, he deserves criticism for that AB—it was awful—but not the Thom unplugged treatment.

      • @George Culver: So, you just state something and it’s true? What you are saying isn’t true, unless you mean strictly speaking with the bases loaded. He’s 1 for 8 with the bases loaded. So, if you think it warranted, go ahead and say he’s incompetent with the bases loaded.

        • @Hank Aarons Teammate: He is not producing in the big situations. Please go find some examples and I will shut up. Until then, it is what it is. Bases loaded, 2- men on, 1 man on, 1-out, 2-outs, no outs. Go find them and bring them back. Good luck.

  9. Votto pre injury in 2012 was arguably the best hitter on the planet…….I’m pretty sure he didn’t forget how to hit, when your knee isn’t 100%, driving the ball consistently is probably an issue

    • @zab1983: His raw power is unchanged. I wonder if the frequency of driving the ball is down. I don’t know that those kind of stats are kept.

      I also think it’s the knee, as I’ve said for a while.

      • @Hank Aarons Teammate: Votto’s ground all rate is 45.8% this year vs. 41.4% for his career (But even lower the last two years). His line drive rate this year is 25.8% this year vs. 24.9% for his career, but the last two years have been even better.

  10. Heisey’s AB was interesting—a walk, but by my eyes, Melancon threw 6 balls. He swung at 2, and very nearly swung at the 3-2 pitch.

    Phillips’ AB was as bad as Votto’s.

    And Votto’s was bad.

    • @Hank Aarons Teammate: “Of course, it didn’t take Thom long to savage Votto. I mean, he deserves criticism for that AB—it was awful—but not the Thom unplugged treatment.”

      Thom B. was almost as quick to savage Votto as you are Baker at every available opportunity.

      • @kywhi: Nice try, but not true. I’ve defended Baker many times; I would not criticize him today, for example, for leaving Bailey in the game. I probably would have removed him before Tabata’s single, but had no problem with before that.

        But, you can continue to lie. It’s ok with me.

  11. If this is the new Joey Votto the Reds should move him into the two-hole. He can walk all he wants. He’s not driving the ball with any consistency, and is not delivering in the clutch. Move up Phillips and Bruce and hit Heisey (and/or soon Ludwick) to fifth.

    • @dg44: just really a black cloud over the Reds at this point in time to me. I’d almost rather see a healthy Votto and Reds not make playoffs than Reds make playoffs with a gimpy Votto

    • @dg44: 100% agreement and makes all the sense in the world which means it has exactly 0% chance of happening. Dusty is already managing like he is looking forward to 2014.

    • @dg44: Votto’s season SLG is now .504 which is the LOWEST of his career. Prior low 2008 was .506. MVP 2010 year was .600. He’s not healthy.

      • @dg44: His career SLG is nowhere near .600. So he’s not 100 points below where I’d expect.

        He might not be healthy; I don’t think he is; but we don’t know for sure.

  12. I am so tired of Thom Brennaman, he is the most negative announcer on TV. I can listen to Braves broadcasts and the difference is night and day. I know that wasn’t a great result in that inning, but the team is having a good season, right? The guy that just got Votto and Phillips out is an All-Star with 0.79 ERA…that’s pretty good to score a run off that guy, isn’t it? He won’t shut up about it now.

    • @MilnersGhost: The Braves announcers (Skip Carey, in particular) are awful. All he could talk about last week was that Freddie Freeman was the best player that ever played baseball. They just gushed and gushed over him. It was sickening.

      • @MilnersGhost: The Braves announcers (Skip Carey, in particular) are awful.All he could talk about last week was that Freddie Freeman was the best player thatever played baseball.They just gushed and gushed over him.It was sickening.

        exactly. jeff francour was the greatest right fielder on the planet, up until the day he was traded. now heyward is the greatest right fielder on the planet. they are the biggest homers you’ll ever hear. but, their troglodyte fans sure do lap it up.

    • @MilnersGhost: When Thom & Marty start costing the Reds ballgames, I will rag on them with the best of them. Otherwise, I think is a diversion from what is occurring on the diamond and the dugout.

    • @MilnersGhost: Dude, check out the Red’s record since June 1st and get back to me – but your answer is ‘NO’ – since the Red’s don’t play the Cubs every other game.

  13. Like many of you, I’m not thinking Votto is anywhere near healthy. To my eyes, he’s looked slow and tentative running for weeks and obviously the power isn’t there. Even with that, the numbers say he’s one of the better hitters in the league and I’m sure he’s going to deliver in those situations many times this year. Tough AB, there, though.

    • @nvilleredsfan: He’s hitting like Pete Rose or Rod Carew, just slapping the ball mostly. He really swings hard about twice a game. He’s defensive, I think because he’s injured. This is not the guy we signed a $250 contract for.

      • @dg44: Then how is his SLG so high compared to those guys? He’s not hitting like them. The stuff I read here, it just makes my head hurt.

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