2013 Reds / Titanic Struggle Recap

Titanic Struggle Recap: Panic!

Let’s recap tonight’s titanic struggle….

FINAL
Cincinnati 1
Cleveland 7

W: S. Kazmir (3-2)
L: H. Bailey (3-4)
BOX SCORE

NOT-SO-RANDOM THOUGHTS
–The Reds were unable to secure the Ohio Cup. How can we all wake up tomorrow and face the world?

–Let’s all just agree to forget this one. On to Pittsburgh!

A terrible showing tonight, Redlegs. Just awful. Milton is disappointed.

A terrible showing tonight, Redlegs. Just awful. Milton is disappointed.

Source: FanGraphs

55 thoughts on “Titanic Struggle Recap: Panic!

  1. If Wacha gets the win for the Cards tonight, then starters for the Cards who began the year in the minors and are only up in the majors because of injuries will be 5-0 in 5 starts. Make it stop!

  2. For all my fellow Blade Runner fans out there, this one goes out to the Cards, and the Bucs: “The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long.” (now let’s just hope we don’t get our fingers broken in Pittsburgh, this weekend)

  3. I am still amazed on HOW Walt and the Reds let Wacha pass them up at # 14 in the draft last June, HUGE mistake IMHO. Especially letting him fall right into the Cards lap. Imagine the rotation depth we would have right now, plus the amount of trade chips we’d have, great chance to restock the farm system with MLB hitters.

    Cueto
    Latos
    Arroyo
    Bailey
    Leake
    Cingrani
    Wacha

    Corcino
    C Rogers
    Stephenson

    We could allow Arroyo to walk and insert Cingrani no problem, could also trade Bailey and have Wacha ready to go. Not to mention since Wacha is polished and has 4 ML pitches, he could be in our pen right now, but can’t change that.

    • I am still amazed on HOW Walt and the Reds let Wacha pass them up at # 14 in the draft last June, HUGE mistake IMHO. Especially letting him fall right into the Cards lap. Imagine the rotation depth we would have right now, plus the amount of trade chips we’d have, great chance to restock the farm system with MLB hitters.

      Cueto
      Latos
      Arroyo
      Bailey
      Leake
      Cingrani
      Wacha

      Corcino
      C Rogers
      Stephenson

      We could allow Arroyo to walk and insert Cingrani no problem, could also trade Bailey and have Wacha ready to go. Not to mention since Wacha is polished and has 4 ML pitches, he could be in our pen right now, but can’t change that.

      Cards organization is much much much much much better than the Reds organization at developing pitchers so we can’t assume the same results with any of their pitchers.

      • @LVW: Surely LaRussa and Duncan are still making the decisions about pitching. Certainly the Cards can’t be effective without their collective genius when it comes to making pitchers. Pure, unadulterated, baseball brilliance. Innovative, gifted, and miracle workers; both of them. Even Thom couldn’t use enough hyperbole to describe their greatness.

        yeah, I never bought into the hype about them either.

      • @LVW: Yeah, I’m not buying that one as it pertains to Wacha specifically. He has thrown 20 games in his career in the minors. Generally, you might be right.

        • @TC: None of Miller, Lynn, Wacha, or Lyons put up as good a numbers in the minors as they have in the majors in terms of ERA and K/BB etc. These guys good but the are riding the lightning.

          There is the alternate theory that my dad still sticks with – they cheat.

    • @Josh: I don’t disagree that he would have been a solid pick, but polished with 4 ML pitches? Every scouting report I’ve read recently says his curveball is nowhere near a big league pitch, and his fastball is straight and often up in the zone. Don’t believe all the hype you read.

  4. Yeah, expected to see Milton tonight after that perfromance.

    Those of you who were part of the game thread will appreciate this news flash:

    “Arvind Mahankali, a 13-year-old from Bayside Hills, New York, won the Scripps National Spelling Bee, correctly spelling “knaidel” to clinch the title.”

    Just doing my part to keep the ‘nation informed.

  5. Wow! When was the last time one of our starters got shelled like that? Even part of me couldn’t help thinking about the 120+ pitch game.

  6. I was wondering why Dusty wouldn’t bat the switch hitting Robinson 2nd against a LH starter. Robinson would hit from the right side to split the lefties Choo & Votto. If a RH reliever came into the game, the top of the line-up would then have 3 LH hitters in a row. Then Izturis could be dropped to the bottom of the line-up. Of course he did go 1-4, raising his average to .180.

  7. The Cardinals blew a save! 3 runs in the top of the ninth for KC! Of course, then the game was delayed in the middle of the ninth inning. Nothing can go wrong for them right now

    • It honestly appears as though if the Royals/Cards game is called tonight, that the Cards win, 2-1. That would be the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen. Apparently they changed the rulebook for 2013 that allows for this because it’s the last meeting between the teams.

      • It honestly appears as though if the Royals/Cards game is called tonight, that the Cards win, 2-1.That would be the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen.Apparently they changed the rulebook for 2013 that allows for this because it’s the last meeting between the teams.

        Rule 4.12a says A game shall become a suspended game that must be completed at a future date if the game is terminated for any of the following reasons:

        (5) Weather, if a regulation game is called while an inning is in progress and before the inning is completed, and the visiting team has scored one or more runs to take the lead, and the home team has not retaken the lead

  8. They’re still calling the game “delayed”. KC not only leads 4-2, they have the bases loaded with none out.

    A rule that bases the outcome on whether it’s the last meeting between 2 teams, and declares the team that’s behind the winner ? Insane.

  9. The espn game conversation for Royals-Cardinals is wild. Latest word: “joe west not calling the game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

  10. KC wins 4-2. I watched to the bitter end. Or sweet end, I guess. There were about 50 people in the stands, some of them Royal fans.

    During the long rain delay, a number of Cardinal fans on the espn game thread taking shots at the Reds. “Great American Softball Park”, etc.

    Royal fans calling the Cardinals whiners – wonder where they got that from ?

      • @zab1983: By coincidence, I just saw a game in SF. Their fans create an electric atmosphere, like in Philly when they were winning.

    • @pinson343: It was funny, the Cards were whining that they should have called the game. Is that a principled objection? I doubt it. Cards media said “Cards didn’t protest the game”. That’s hilarious. Protest what? That they weren’t handed a win they didn’t deserve?

  11. Baseball’s weird. You’ve got 2 outs in the 4th, then a string of hits end up scoring 7. The rest of the game; ho-hum, even steven. What are you gonna do? On to Pittsburgh.

  12. C13J and others: MLB changed the rule for 2013, apparently. Rule 4.12(b)4 (according to media) now states that any game during the postseason OR if it’s the last game played between two teams during the regular season, if a partial inning is played in which the visitor ties or takes the lead (and it’s a regulation game), the score reverts to the last completed inning.

    This is exceptionally stupid. (If this would have been game 3 of the 4 game set between STL and KC, no problem, it’s a suspended game resumed the next day before the regular game.) It leads to exactly what happened last night. I don’t see why they don’t just suspend the game and finish it at the end of the year if it matters to the postseason.

    • @Hank Aarons Teammate: There were a number of people on the espn thread who said that the score would revert, Cardinals win, etc. only if the game could not be rescheduled with a common off day between the teams. That’s a can of worms. Off days get filled in due to rain postponements, what if the Cardinals insist a travel day is not an off day, etc.

      In any case the rule as you say is exceptionally stupid. A score should never “revert”. That’s not in the spirit of baseball. Some people were talking about Brett’s pine tar HR. Of course he was named the Royals’ new hitting coach yesterday.

      • @pinson343: First, the people are wrong; it would have been a 2-1 Cards win, unconditionally, unless I suppose Selig stepped in and changed the rule and made it retroactive. I doubt that would have happened. But as you say, it did happen one time—the pine tar game, where the umpires clearly applied the correct rule, and the AL didn’t like it and so changed it retroactive to that game.

  13. I watched some of the Pittsburgh-Detroit games this week. The Reds bats better wake up for this weekend. The Pirates pitchers just completely throttled the Tigers big hitters.

  14. Poor Homer. He was rolling and looking even better than Kazmir through 3. He gets the K and it looks like he is on his way out. He starts leaving his fastball up, gets squeezed a little by the Ump, and just falls apart.

    I noticed that he stopped throwing his curve with the two outs. It made no sense, he had been keeping them off balance up to that point with it.

  15. I don’t know what happens to the reds in Cleveland. Swept in three last year, two in a row this year. Wed game was easier to swallow than this one. Kazmir hasn’t really been able to get people out consistently and the reds let him and Cle off the hook last night.

    • @Lost and Found: “The Indians are who we thought they were! That’s why we took the dam* field! Now, *hits microphone* if you want to crown them, then crown their as*! But, they are who we thought they were, and we let them off the hook!” Football coaches are funny. :)

      • @RedManifesto:
        That is one of the all-time best rants by a coach in any sport.

        Give how Rex Grossman’s career went after that, he was dead-on correct too.

  16. Homer was doing well until Brantley golfed the 0-2 pitch for a hit. After that point, it seemed like the Cleveland hitters knew what was coming. Most of their hits were off his fastball, but not all. At least one other I remember came off the splitter. I don’t know how Brantley could have hit the pitch that he did. Great 0-2 pitch from Homer that would have ended the inning without a run.

    Votto hitting into a double play with bases loaded was a bit of a momentum switch. The game was still 0-0 then, I think.

    • @Steve Mancuso: I guess I have a bit of a different view. If you give up 6 hits in a row or whatever it was, then it doesn’t really matter whether there were 0, 1, or 2 outs. People (not you) seem to have this thing about 2 outs. As far as I’m concerned, you give up 6 2 out runs, I don’t care compared to 6 1 out runs, or 6 zero out runs.

      All in all, it was just a loss in which Bailey didn’t pitch well (I don’t see it as he almost pitched a great game, put it that way). Not a big deal. They’ll be fine.

      • @Hank Aarons Teammate: My thing about two outs is that if you are the pitcher in that situation, you darn well better dig deep and find a away to get that third out without Armegeddon ensuing. And if we are going to put any real stock in CERA, include the catcher in the deal as responsible for helping find a way clear

  17. I’ll be at the game tonight in Pittsburgh. First time at PNC Park and looking forward to seeing it. Seems like the Reds are really going into a hornets’ nest, though. The Pirates have all the momentum coming off their series with the Tigers and having swept the Reds at PNC earlier this year. This series will be a severe challenge.

  18. The Pirates are on a roll, but they’ve also played Brewers-3, Nationals-3 (lost 2), Mariners-2 (split), Mets-4, Brewers-3, Astros-3, Cubs-3, Brewers-3 before taking 3 out of 4 against the Tigers. You think the Reds had a creampuff schedule in May, the Pirates have as well.

  19. There seemed to be quite a few Reds fans at Progressive Field last night. I was hoping to compare it to the number of Cleveland fans in GABP on Monday and Tuesday, but we never really got a chance to stand up and cheer last night to test it. Saw loads of Reds fans coming into the game and walking around.

  20. Steve, you will like PNC Park. Very nice stadium. Go to Primanti Bros. for a sandwich. Better to go to the restaurant downtown than the one at the stadium. Either way you’ll get a great sandwich. You’ll be glad you did so.

    • @WVRedlegs: Yes, PNC Park is a lovely venue. Don’t know about Primanti Bros… Never been there. May have to check it out if I get to Pitt again.

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