2013 Reds / Titanic Struggle Recap

Titanic Struggle Recap: Three in a row

Let’s recap tonight’s titanic struggle….

FINAL
Cincinnati 3
Washington 6

W: D. Haren (2-3)
L: M. Leake (1-1)
S: R. Soriano (7)
BOX SCORE

POSITIVES
–Brandon Phillips was 3-4 with an RBI. Shin-Soo Choo homered and walked. Joey Votto doubled and hit the ball hard almost every time.

–Sean Marshall and JJ Hoover pitched perfect innings of relief.

NEGATIVES
–Mike Leake was, well, not good: three innings, four runs allowed on six hits and three walks.

–Alfredo Simon gave up two runs in three innings of work, on four hits and two walks.

NOT-SO-RANDOM THOUGHTS
–The mighty Redlegs have now lost eight consecutive road games. As good as they’ve been at home (12-4), they’ve been terrible on the road.

–The Reds nearly tied the game up in the seventh, when Zack Cozart ripped a ball with bases loaded that was snagged by Nats CF Denard Span. That ball looked like extra bases off the bat.

–Span also robbed Joey Votto of a possible homer (or, at the very least, extra bases) the inning before. Not a stretch to say the Reds win this game if it weren’t for Span out there in center field.

–If the Reds are going to avoid getting swept, and dropping to 0-4 on this ten-game road trip, it’ll be up to Tony Cingrani tomorrow.

Source: FanGraphs

53 thoughts on “Titanic Struggle Recap: Three in a row

  1. Perspective – when your daughter goes 3-3 with 4 RBIs in her first ever softball game, it makes the Reds losing easier to take.

    However, if someone could please write a comment using the phrases “it’s still early” and “small sample size”, I would feel even better!

  2. whats the deal with the 1-8 road record. They look so good in GABP. I know its only 9 games, they got to pick it up on the road.

  3. I have to agree about Span’s defense. As much as I love Choo, if he were in CF for the Nationals, the Reds would have scored a lot more runs.

  4. So far on the road, the Reds have played:

    A team that is expected to challenge them for dominance in the NL Central (St. Louis)
    A team that plays like the 1926 Yankees in the first half of seasons (Pittsburgh)
    A team that is widely regarded as the best in all of baseball (Washington)

    1-8 is still brutal, but let’s see how their record looks after they play a few mediocre to bad teams on the road. I’m faily confident that by seaon’s end, their road record will be a game or two over .500, which is fine by me as long as they keep winning at home.

      • @Hank Aarons Teammate: I find myself asking myself when is it time to start worrying? The 1990 Reds established that a pennant can be won out of the gate the same as in the second half like the Reds last year and the Brewers the year before.

        The Columbus Blue Jackets just finished the final 60% of their season at 19-5-5, a top 5 record in the NHL over that period. But the CBJ will be at home for the playoffs, losing out on a tie breaker, because their first 40% was so poor. The Reds aren’t paying that poorly but then baseball doesn’t let half its teams into the playoffs.

        • @OhioJim: You can most certainly win a pennant early. The Reds of ’90 did. This version is not playing that well so far. But I find it hard to believe their whole team is basically going to take a dive from last year.

          Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like losing, but it’s still too early to panic.

        • @Hank Aarons Teammate: Panic no; but hopefully the front office is working on Plan B or C etc.

          I don’t think they can stay relevant with what they are getting out of LF offensively right now even assuming Ludwick is back by the AllStar break and steps right in and performs in the fashion which was expected of him (which is two pretty iffy assumptions in my mind).

  5. Well, don’t expect a miracle on the mound tomorrow, with Cingrani. Offense kind of, sort of, picked it up today. We have no where to go but up, from here. It’s also just A-P-R-I-L, for anyone who’s on the ledge…GO REDS!

    • Well, don’t expect a miracle on the mound tomorrow, with Cingrani. Offense kind of, sort of, picked it up today. We have no where to go but up, from here. It’s also just A-P-R-I-L, for anyone who’s on the ledge…GO REDS!

      I don’t get all the negative talk about Cingrani on this board. Guy has great stuff. Way better than Arroyo and Leake. Reds win tomorrow, he pitches great and they will score some runs. Mark it down.

      • @AnnapolisHoosier:

        I have high hopes for Cingrani, I just think he’s young and needs to grow into the role of a major league pitcher. But to be truthful, he’s surpassed my expectations so far.

      • @AnnapolisHoosier: People are down on Cingrani because he throws 90% fastballs. That may work agains the Marlins and Cubs, but I presume people want to see how he is handled by a major league roster i.e. the Nationals.

      • I don’t get all the negative talk about Cingrani on this board.Guy has great stuff. Way better than Arroyo and Leake. Reds win tomorrow, he pitches great and they will score some runs.Mark it down.

        Better then Bronson is just laughable…and better then Leake is highly questionable at this point.

  6. At least they hit the ball hard today. Leake is what he is. Hanrahan error hurt. That’s why I like Cingrani over Leake and Arroyo. When you don’t miss bats, bad things can happen. Haren was very lucky on his RBI single, he basically threw his bat at it, but when you can’t even put the pitcher away that kind of stuff can happen.

    • @AnnapolisHoosier: I don’t know why people cannot understand this. It’s exactly right.

      Leake isn’t a bad pitcher, but for some reason the fact that he’s a perfectly reasonable #5 pitcher means that many people here think he should be the *Reds* #5 pitcher. They are two different things.

      I think it’s a bit early to say that he’s better than Arroyo and Leake right this second, as in, if they all three pitched the rest of the year, I’m certainly not 100% confident Cingrani would outpitch the other two. But Cingrani’s potential is so far above Leake’s…

      Personally, I want to see Cingrani take Leake’s spot. As Annapolis says, Leake simply cannot miss bats. And he never, ever will.

  7. One negative was the injury to Heisey (although some might view that as a positive).

    If Heisey has to go one the DL, what will the Reds do?

    I’d like to think they would go out and trade for a left fielder. Stanton for Corcino, leake and a PTBNL.

    My guess is they will recall Denis Phipps (bleh!).

    Maybe they can sign Manny Ramirez! I think he is playing in Japan! (I’m joking, of course).

    • One negative was the injury to Heisey (although some might view that as a positive).

      If Heisey has to go one the DL, what will the Reds do?

      I’d like to think they would go out and trade for a left fielder. Stanton for Corcino, leake and a PTBNL.

      My guess is they will recall Denis Phipps (bleh!).

      Maybe they can sign Manny Ramirez!I think he is playing in Japan! (I’m joking, of course).

      Why in the world would the Marlins accept that trade? Come on.

    • @RedForever: I’ve been dumpster diving and there really isn’t anyone in the Reds system worthy of a call up. Felix Perez is might be the nearest thing in the outfield; but, he is a 28 year old non roster LH hitter with them needing a RH bat.

      I was thinking maybe they could bring up an infielder and put Frazier in left if and when they really needed an additional guy but neither Burris nor Donald are doing much and both are currently non roster to boot

  8. The Reds really were unfortunate all the ball hit by Cozart. Taking nothing away for Span, but just as he was about to give up and follow the ball to the wall, it died and tailed right to him. In fact he actually flattened his route as he caught it.
    If that ball turns over or even runs straight instead of tailing, he doesn’t get to it; and the game is tied with Cozart on 2nd or 3rd and Votto at the plate.

  9. Is it at all reasonable to blame the Red’s losing streak on bad luck? Because today, at least, the Reds were incredibly unlucky. I’m really starting to wonder what Cincinnati has done to offend the sports gods.

  10. As it turned out, I guess I’m glad the game was blacked out in California. I love the Reds, but they sure can be frustrating to watch. But baseball is a maddening game, isn’t? Hope we can salvage one tomorrow. Go Reds!

  11. Hiesey is a solid #4 outfielder. cheap, can play all 3 positions well and he plays balls out on every play. We need him to heal up and step it up for a couple more months. He needs a new hitting coach and only Walt can fire Jackabey. ..to bad it wont happen. Mabey the Reds should buy Dusty Bakers ebook of hitting they advertise on MLB radio. :-)

  12. I was at the game. I thought Cozy’s line drive was a gapper for sure. Figures, the guy hits one line drive a month and it has to be caught.

    I don’t think Joey’s shot would have gone out, but it was obviously extra bases. I know it will sound crazy considering his four-hit game recently, but I thought this was the best he’s swung the bat all season.

    Every time Mike Leake makes a start, my heart aches for what might/should have been. How this bonehead manager doesn’t realize he is wasting the best arm on the team is beyond me.

    And I’m now certain that he would bat Concepcion 2nd and Bench 8th…and we can only wish Cozy could hit like Davey!

  13. Living in DC (and having to deal with Nats fans), I don’t have anything whatsoever that is sensible to contribute to this conversation. I’m hot as a match right now, But I just hope the Reds kick the Nats head in tomorrow. I literally had a Nats fan say to me today, “You guys are kind of an upstart team.” Reds: 1869, 5 World Championships. Nationals: 2005, 0 World Championships. The time to humble will most assuredly have to now come in the playoffs, but I’d be happy if the Redlegs stopped the bleeding at 4 and 3.

    • @walshjp: I can feel your pain, your experience reminds me of being in Philly for their 4 game sweep of the Reds in 2010.
      The difference is that the Phillies had won the NL pennant the two previous seasons,
      along with a WS.

      The Nats haven’t done much yet. They had a good regular season last year, so did the Reds.

  14. I’ve been at the last three games (and going tomorrow). Cozarts “double” which is what it easily could have been,
    is a microcosm of the weekend. Every ball we’ve hit has gone right at the nats’ fielders. Marshall looked really good. Votto would have gone 3-4 with a HR in GABP.

    • @bohdi: Thanks for the eye witness account. This series has not changed my belief that the 2013 Reds are a very good team.
      Today Ryan Ludwick was missed.

  15. Is there anything to explain the culture of why Nats fans arrive so late after game time? It’s like LA. Is late the culture of everything?

  16. For those that went to see the Reds at Nationals game today, or anytime the last couple days, is the park in downtown DC? Is it in the suberbs? How does it look and compare to Great American Ballpark? Also, since Ludwick is injured, someone needs to step up and start getting hot, just like Ludwick did last year when Votto was out. What the heck is going on with Bruce? It’s time he steps up and gets hot and earns his money!

    • @JEFFMO: I live in Baltimore and made it down for the games Thursday and Saturday. The park isn’t exactly “downtown” but it is centrally located about 1.5 miles south of the Capitol building in an area that feels a bit like an industrial wasteland (but looks to be developing rapidly). For me, it has a similar to feel to GABP in terms of general setup/spacing–I sat in the third tier behind homeplate, which is where I generally sit at GABP when I make it back to Cincy, and it perhaps felt a little closer to the field. It’s a nice park, but the views aren’t as good as GABP (you can catch glimpses of some of the museums and I think in certain places can see the Washington monument, but it’s overall pretty bland scenery). Decent beers on tap, and concessions were no more expensive than GABP.

      Agree with much of what has been said by others about the game: Votto looked zoned in, Leake didn’t. Marshall looked quite good: he was making hitters look uncomfortable, especially in comparison to Leake and Arroyo the other night.

      I’m just hoping I have a chance to catch the Reds in the area again in the fall.

  17. In case anyone was wondering… the Reds are currently 12th in MLB in the category of scoring runs (28) when they have runners in scoring position with 2 outs.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp#elem=object+Object&tab_level=child&click_text=Sortable+Team+hitting&game_type=%27R%27&season=2013&season_type=ANY&league_code=%27MLB%27&sectionType=st&statType=hitting&page=1&ts=1367064760543&split=risp2&sortColumn=r&sortOrder=%27desc%27&extended=0

    This might be because the Reds are 14th in MLB in OPS (.696) with RISP-2 out.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp#elem=object+Object&tab_level=child&click_text=Sortable+Team+hitting&game_type=%27R%27&season=2013&season_type=ANY&league_code=%27MLB%27&sectionType=st&statType=hitting&page=1&ts=1367064912157&split=risp2&sortColumn=ops&sortOrder=%27desc%27&extended=0

    Or, because they are 12th in MLB (.340) in OBP with RISP- 2 out.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp#elem=object+Object&tab_level=child&click_text=Sortable+Team+hitting&game_type=%27R%27&season=2013&season_type=ANY&league_code=%27MLB%27&sectionType=st&statType=hitting&page=1&ts=1367065063903&split=risp2&sortColumn=obp&sortOrder=%27desc%27&extended=0

    The fact that the Reds are 24th in MLB (.195) in BAvg with RISP- 2 out seems to have little to do with their being 12th in the league at scoring runs in the situation. That they get on base and hit the ball for extra bases does have a lot to do with their being the 12th best team in baseball at scoring runs with RISP and 2 out.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp#elem=object+Object&tab_level=child&click_text=Sortable+Team+hitting&game_type=%27R%27&season=2013&season_type=ANY&league_code=%27MLB%27&sectionType=st&statType=hitting&page=1&ts=1367065150200&split=risp2&sortColumn=avg&sortOrder=%27desc%27&extended=0

  18. In case anyone was wondering… the Reds are currently 12th in MLB in the category of scoring runs (28) when they have runners in scoring position with 2 outs.

    This might be because the Reds are 14th in MLB in OPS (.696) with RISP-2 out.

    Or, because they are 12th in MLB (.340) in OBP with RISP- 2 out.

    The fact that the Reds are 24th in MLB (.195) in BAvg with RISP- 2 out seems to have little to do with their being 12th in the league at scoring runs in the situation. That they get on base and hit the ball for extra bases does have a lot to do with their being the 12th best team in baseball at scoring runs with RISP and 2 out.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/sortable.jsp#elem=object+Object&tab_level=child&click_text=Sortable+Team+hitting&game_type=%27R%27&season=2013&season_type=ANY&league_code=%27MLB%27&sectionType=st&statType=hitting&page=1&ts=1367064760543&split=risp2&sortColumn=r&sortOrder=%27desc%27&extended=0

    • @RedLeg75: The exact stats have changed since the link was put together yesterday, but the fact remains that batting average does not matter so much in the RISP- 2 out game. A team gets the boys home from second and third on the strength of OBP and OPS. Getting on base and hitting the ball hard when it is hit. 12th in the league in scoring runs (30) with RISP- 2 out. OBP (.355), 9th in MLB. SLG (.367), 13th in MLB. OPS (.721), 12th in MLB. BattingAverage (.211), 20th in MLB.

      It could be a small sample size, we’ll check back later. Right now, it looks like those crowing that the Reds are not producing in RISP- 2 out situations are wrong. I’ll take 12th in the league in this category any day the way the starting pitching has been.

  19. I remember before the season started a lot of people looked at the Reds early schedule and concluded that, even with the Reds at full strength, coming out of April with a .500 record would be a victory.

    What happened to that line of thinking?

    • @CI3J:

      For the record, I expect them to go on a tear in April, winning something like 18 or 19 games. Their schedule certainly makes that seem possible.

      • @CI3J:

        For the record, I expect them to go on a tear in April

        In MAY.

        Sheesh.

        Posting in the morning – coffee = EPIC FAIL

  20. No matter what happens in April, it’s still early. That’s for you Kyle Farmer! However, it’s true. Let’s chat in June. I’ve always said, just get through April with a .500 record. They did it last year. What? They did? Yep. I have faith in our players, just not our Manager. I have this sinking feeling the 2-hole in the batting order will be Drew Stubbs Part 2 this year. You know it’s true.

  21. True, we have time to right the ship, but games count just as much in April as July. I’m not in blind panic mode by any stretch, but in comparison to last year, I don’t remember so many Miltonesque performances strung together. This is a truly dangerous team when hitting on all cylinders, but a tuneup may be needed for that to happen. Don’t know what that looks like at this point, but if we are still here in a week, I will have a graphic plan of action, I’m sure.

    • @preach: Wholesale changes for the Reds are not indicated or justified, but I do think that a ballast adjustment needs to be made to help right the ship and get back on course. I don’t think Robinson is the answer for additional playing time. Like Heisey, he might be a good role player, but Heisey and Robinson’s value is simply as limited role players. On the other hand, XP has produced at every opportunity and in every capacity since joining the Reds, but also in a very specific role against RHP. Until Ludwick can come back, ready to play at 100%, the Reds need more production from LF, but not necessarily the big RH bopper that will hit cleanup and be cost prohibitive in both salary and prospects.

      An effective platoon in LF that could hit effectively in the #2 hole, until Ludwick is ready to reassume his LF & cleanup hitter duties, is probably the best option available, but the Reds need a better RH hitting option for the platoon to team with XP and the Reds don’t have any RH OF minor league options that are major league ready. I keep coming back to two players who I think would match up as an option for that RH platoon OF in a possible low-level trade, Chris Denorfia or Jesus Guzman.

  22. Well, I see that for today’s game Cozart is batting 2nd AGAIN and worse, Corky Miller is catching AGAIN. Short of Mesoraco having the ebola virus, there is NO REASON he should be sitting this much with Hanigan out. At most Corky should catch one out of every five games, not three of every four. C’mon, somebody wake up Walt – he has to be snoozing.

    • @concepcion13: You knew Miller would be catching. It’s Baker. If Hanigan is healthy, he catches 4/5, even though Mesoraco is playing better. If Hanigan is hurt, Mesoraco catches 3/5, even though he’s young, can withstand the punishment of the position, and Miller is bad.

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