2013 Reds / Titanic Struggle Recap

Titanic Struggle Recap: Parra’d

Let’s recap tonight’s titanic struggle….

FINAL — 10 innings
Chicago Cubs 4
Cincinnati 2

W: C. Marmol (2-1)
L: M. Parra (0-1)
S: K. Gregg (1)
BOX SCORE

POSITIVES
–In his second major league start, Tony Cingrani put together another fine outing: seven innings, two runs allowed, on five hits, nine strikeouts, no walks.

–Shin-Soo Choo went 3-4 with a walk. Choo has now reached base in 17 of his last 22 plate appearances. That’s good.

–Chris Heisey homered.

NEGATIVES
–Manny Parra did what Manny Parra does (the 2013 version of Parra, anyway): he gave up four hits and a walk in an inning and a third, including the Darwin Barney homer that provided the winning margin.

–Corky Miller remains a big favorite of the Nation, but he didn’t distinguish himself tonight, going 0-3 at the plate (with two strikeouts) and committing a costly error in the 10th inning

NOT-SO-RANDOM THOUGHTS
–Two straight extra inning games against the Cubbies, but the Reds couldn’t quite pull this one out.

–The Reds dropped to 7-2 on the current homestand.

–Let’s be honest, the Reds haven’t played well at all in this series. Still, a chance to win two out of three tomorrow afternoon before the Redlegs travel to our nation’s capital.

Source: FanGraphs

84 thoughts on “Titanic Struggle Recap: Parra’d

  1. Now sure how old Corky Miller is, but looks better suited for a softball game with that beer belly. Reds probably need to start thinking about a “younger” 3rd string catcher.

    • Now sure how old Corky Miller is, but looks better suited for a softball game with that beer belly. Reds probably need to start thinking about a “younger” 3rd string catcher.

      Corky Miller has no business on a major league roster. He can barely throw the ball to second base. And he couldn’t get a hit if they put the ball on a tee and cleared the field.

      DFA Miller and bring up one of the kids. At least he would add a little excitement.

  2. The Reds need to scour organizations to find themselves a backup catcher, in case Hanigan’s oblique is bad. I know Miller is a legend at the Nation here, but this is a contending team, not a nostalgia lesson.

    • @Hank Aarons Teammate: Agreed. I was somewhat surprised they brought up Corky instead of this Konrad Schmidtt guy they signed at the end of spring training. SChmidtt, is around Hanigan’s age. I suspect he is the upcoming Corky of his generation; so maybe would have been no more help than Corky.

      The talk on Sunday made it sound a like Corky was brought up to be a 24/7 mentor for Meso. Then they went and played two 13 inning games in 3 days and have a night day turn around tomorrow; and Corky is in the middle of the action

      • @OhioJim: Corky was brought up to handle certain pitchers, such as Cingrani. Other pitchers like him too: Homer, Bronson. Presumably the belief was that he could still play defense. I didn’t see the game, but sounds like his defense has possibly gone south, in which case he’s too much of a liability.

        • @pinson343: Actually he looked pretty good behind the plate. He made a great pickoff attempt on Soriano that was a perfect throw but Sorianos jump was too good and then made a great block of the plate to cut down a runner on the great play from Phillips. The error he made in the 10th was unfortunate but it was a really tough play. Mes probably would have gotten to the ball a hair quicker and might have avoided it, but I don’t know if Hannigan would have. Really that ball should have been fielded by the pitcher but Parra looked lost on the play.

          Honestly, even the throw out in the 8th when everyone was ragging on his speed (I was one of them), when you go back and watch he was moving down the line about as we’ll as most catchers in the league would and just BARELY missed the throw. Do I want to see Corky starting two days a week for a month? No. But I don’t think we’re in disaster trade mode.

        • @pinson343: Actually he looked pretty good behind the plate. He made a great pickoff attempt on Soriano that was a perfect throw but Sorianos jump was too good and then made a great block of the plate to cut down a runner on the great play from Phillips. The error he made in the 10th was unfortunate but it was a really tough play. Mes probably would have gotten to the ball a hair quicker and might have avoided it, but I don’t know if Hannigan would have. Really that ball should have been fielded by the pitcher but Parra looked lost on the play.

          Honestly, even the throw out in the 8th when everyone was ragging on his speed (I was one of them), when you go back and watch he was moving down the line about as we’ll as most catchers in the league would and just BARELY missed the throw. Do I want to see Corky starting two days a week for a month? No. But I don’t think we’re in disaster trade mode.

          AS I stated above, Corky Miller is done. He shouldn’t be on a minor league roster, much less a team fighting the Cardinals and Pirates for a division.

        • @RedForever: Maybe not, but how many teams have some old vet as their #3 catcher too? It’s usually either that or some kid who’s equally not fit to be on a big league roster. I agree that Corky shouldn’t be playing much, but the circumstances with the long stretch f games and the 13 inning late night and the day game today and the freshly called up AAA starter…it’s just one of those things. All I’m saying is I’m not losing much sleep over Corky Miller. Realistically, he MIGHT start one maybe two more games for the Reds this year. Our offense SHOULD be able to handle that. It just didnt last night.

        • @CP: And even with all of that, the throw was actually right on line. It just got there the same moment the runner did and skipped off his shoulder. It was a bullet right at Votto’s glove. Don’t get the Corky bashing in this thread. He had a good game. He didn’t hit, but neither did anyone else not named Choo.

        • @eric nyc: I didn’t see the game, so can’t judge, but it’s good to see someone defending Corky. If he can still play defense, then he’s OK as a 3rd string catcher.

        • @eric nyc: I agree with you here. I’m a former catcher and Corky’s defense didn’t look bad to me at all. On the stolen bases, he didn’t have a snowball’s chance and the error was on a ball that shouldn’t have been his play and could have happened to anyone.

  3. Another impressive start for Tony Cingrani. His competition improved a little bit but he looked better than he did his first time out. I’m really excited to see him face the Nationals. At least I think the Nationals’ hitters have the ability to take advantages of mistakes and show him what he needs to work on to improve.

    Manny Parra cost the Reds the game but he helped the more important relievers to rest in this long string of consecutive games. I think Dusty and Price knew what they were doing when they brought him in. Parra had a good first inning in which he struck out the side, and I don’t think sending him out for a second inning was a mistake. I think he’ll be shipped out when Sean Marshall returns but Parra shouldn’t have any trouble finding a job somewhere – maybe Miami, maybe Chicago, maybe Houston.

    When they announced Corky Miller was getting promoted I don’t think anybody expected him to provide a big bat. I don’t think anybody expected him to be a speedy runner or a valuable pinch hitter. The Reds were pushing his credentials more as an extra pitching coach or mentor for Mesoraco than a player. I’m still fine with him as a third string catcher, with Devin Mesoraco getting the majority of the playing time.

    The Reds lost but at least they played another exciting game from beginning to end that was worth watching. They got another strong start but struggled to hit off Carlos Villanueva, who has looked good all season. I’m excited to see the Reds win the series tomorrow.

  4. Everyone is on the feast or famine bandwagon. The Reds have had 7 games where they scored 2 or fewer runs, the Cardinals 5. The Reds have had 8 games with 3 or fewer, the Cards 8 also. Admittedly, the Reds have a bunch of 0 or 1’s.

    Still, if a team averages 5 runs per game, they are going to have games with 1-2 runs. If the Reds *didn’t* have the games where they scored a lot (say, replace the double digit run games with 6 or 7), no one would worry about Jeckyll and Hyde offense, they’d just say that the offense needed to do better!

    • @Hank Aarons Teammate: I think they have a lot of streaky hitters and need more consistency. All hitters have cycles but it seems to me the Reds have several guys who cycle to the extreme.

      Bruce is legendary for his streakiness. Cozart puts together a monster game every week to 10 days but is way below the bar much of the time in between. Heisey runs into one when he does and pops out or strikes out in between. Even Frazier is extreme; much like Bruce, he can carry the club for a week or two at a time but when he goes south, he goes far south.

      • @OhioJim: More on point ot your comment, I guess I’d say when the dust clears, Bruce is probably good enough but could be better. Frazier we may not have enough of a sample yet to know about but I lean towards thinking he will be good enough too.

        As I’ve said before, Cozart reminds me a Stubbs V2.0; i.e. not good enough offensively but a team could be constructed to afford him because of his defensive skills at a specialty position.

        Heisey needs to be an off the bench guy. He is a game changer in that role when he can be spotted into situations where there is a high likelihood he will see a juicy pitch like he belted for the HR tonight.

      • @OhioJim: The Cardinals have streaky hitters too, take a look at their current stats. The Cardinals, like the Reds, are doing well mainly because of their excellent starting pitching.

  5. Wednesday’s game worries me. Samardzija can be very tough, he’s their legit ace. Looks like another pitcher’s duel for Latos. Reds hitters need to get Samardzija out of the game and beat up on their bullpen, which is supposed to be their biggest weakness.

    The Reds bullpen will probably still be thin, LeCure might not be available. Broxton said before Tuesday’s game that he was ready, so by Dusty’s “one game later” rule, Broxton ought to be available.

    The absence of Marshall will grow more frustrating if the Reds take another bullpen loss before his return, but you can’t really fault the Redss for being cautious with his return.

    • @pinson343:

      The absence of Marshall will grow more frustrating if the Reds take another bullpen loss before his return, but you can’t really fault the Redss for being cautious with his return.

      In addition to the fact that if Dusty’s Dusty…he holds guys back a day after they’re activated also.

      • @Bill Lack: And Marshall is scheduled to pitch today…would they activate him on Thursday and let him pitch back-to-back days? BAker had said earlier in the week that they wanted him to pitch back-to-back days in the minors.

        I don’t know if that is still the plan or not, but if that is still the plan, he’d pitch Wed, Thursday, see how he’s feeling Friday and then activate him sometime over the weekend. At the earliest.

        Or pitch today. See how he’s feeling Thursday. Pitch Friday and Saturdays. See how he’s feeling Sunday. Activate him Monday vs the Cardinals.

  6. The Cubs 3 starting pitchers in this series have all been hot and tough on other teams too. The remarkable thing is that, with that trio, they have only won 6 games. They’ve lost a lot of close games.

  7. The ending of last nite’s game reminded me of a classic baseball poem. The “Mudville nine” was behind 4-2, and down to their last out, with two runners on base, but with greatness coming up to bat.
    We all know how that ended, but in slightly edited form, here it is:

    “Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;
    The band is playing somewhere, and somewhere hearts are light,
    And somewhere men are laughing, and somewhere children shout;
    But there is no joy in Redsville – mighty Joey has struck out.

  8. It’s one game with Corky. Give the man a break. He knows the pitching staff. Bringing in a new backup isn’t in Dusty’s lexicon.

    • @sezwhom1: It’s also not Dusty’s job.

      No viable backup should mean more playing time for Mesoraco, which I’m 100% behind. Corky should get like 1/10 games, or the odd situations where the game goes extra innings the day before.

  9. “This must be just like livin’ in Parra-dise”
    “Dusty rolled a Parra-dice and they came up snake eyes”
    “There was a rainbow over GABP last night, but it shouldn’t didn’t feel like Parra-dise”

    C’mon folks, do you really want to DFA this guy and give up on the chance for this kind of comedy gold?

    On a more serious note….the handling of Chapman has been horrendous, but I don’t blame Dusty for going/staying with Parra last night. In the 9th, under this specific set of circumstances you don’t put Chapman into a game we’re trailing. Then, once you put Parra in you’ve got to try and get a couple of innings out of him if you expect to still have a bullpen alive in the future. It’s just a shame we couldn’t push one more across in the bottom of the 9th.

  10. Trying to understand why Dusty let Corky hit in the 8th, down one run. I guess he’s trying to save Mes. However:

    1. Corky can’t hit. So we waste 1/6 of our (likely) remaining outs.

    2. Corky can’t run. Oh boy, Corky can’t run! So, if by some miracle he gets on base as the tying run, there would have to be a pinch runner. Wouldn’t there? For Corky to score from first, you would have to hit the ball to Tennessee!

    • @AccuRater: We talked about this issue in the recap thread yesterday when I asked a simiar question. Dusty really, really hates not having a back-up catcher on the bench at all times in case of an emergency situation. So much so that on Monday night he was ready to have Homer Bailey hit rather than use Corky Miller.

      I probably should offer a public apology to Dusty. After seeing Corky hit last night, Bailey might actually have been the better option on Monday! :P

      Also, it’s probably fair to point out that he did hit for Miller in the 10th which would have meant that Mes would have entered the game in the 11th had the Reds tied it up. I imagine that just the thought of it probably sent chills down Dusty’s spine, but he went ahead a hit for him anyway. Good move.

      • @Kyle Farmer: Of course, even though he pinch hit for Miller in the 10th, he chose Robinson to do it instead…despite Mesoraco hitting better than him at every level of baseball and having demonstrated better on-base skills…

        And then he let Cozart hit as the tying run, so it’s not like Dusty’s master plan was to save Devin for a potential HR situation.

  11. Let me get this straight. The Reds get only 6 hits and 2 runs against the mighty Cubs pitchers, and we’re pegging this loss on Parra?

    /scratches head

    • @RedZeppelin: I’m not blaming Parra for the loss, but Parra is an awful relief pitcher. Maybe last night was a game when the offense should have won it, but Parra has no business being on a championship contending roster where he might be called on in tight games against much better teams than the Cubs.

    • @RedZeppelin: I have to agree here. Parra actually did his job in the 9th and the Reds needed to finish them off in the bottom of the inning when they had the chance.

      Having said that, I sure hope that Marshall gets back soon and Parra heads out.

      Also, we might have to acknowledge that the Cubs are on the right track with their starting pitching. Small sample size, I know.

  12. The thing about Parra…his peripherals are abysmal.

    Not only does he have an ERA of 8.10, his HWIP is 2.7. 15 hits and 3 walks in 6 2/3 innings. He has also faced 37 batters. To put that in perspective, Alfredo Simon has faced 48 in 11 2/3 innings.
    Opponents are hitting .429 off him.

    You have to believe the Reds will DFA him when Marshall comes off the DL (I wish they would DFA him today and recall Arredondo).

  13. I’ve been wondering why Arredondo cleared waivers. Is it possible the Reds (and others) know something we don’t, either about a terrible loss of velocity or the existence of a video of Arredondo injecting A-Rod, or something? It seems odd, especially given his abilities to get lefties out.

    • @Eric the Red: Something is wrong with Arredondo. Check out his numbers with the Bats. He’s been unhittable but is walking more than one batter an inning. His control is gone. Of course it was not that good in the first place, but right now he’s not even serviceable.

      Hopefully it’s mechanical problem that can be straightened out. But his clearing waivers after a strong ST does not bode well, the scouts spotted something.

  14. Anyone else question letting Heisey hit in the 9th, rather than sending up Paul?

    I’ve wondered about Arredondo clearing waivers too, I couldn’t believe SOMEONE (Houston, Chicago, whatever) didn’t pick him up.

    • @Bill Lack: I called for Paul to PH in the game thread as soon as Todd went to 2 balls. With a pretty bad RHP on the mound I thought it was a no brainier. Not only did Heisey make the out, he also swung at a pitch in the dirt that went to the backstop. I’ve watched that pitch a couple times and I can’t tell if Heisey tipped it or not. The ump signaled foul so I guess he did, but it was such a horrible pitch that Heisey had no business swinging at it and it had a pretty decent chance of getting past Castillo anyway, which would have brought in the winning run.

      Hard to pile up on Heisey too much when he scored half of the runs for the entire team single handedly last night, but this Ludwick injury is going to hurt a lot more if Dusty sticks to this “It’s Heiseys turn” nonsense instead of giving Paul (hitting .370 now) a real look.

      • @eric nyc: I pinch hit for Heisey all day, every day in tight situations against a guy whose dominant pitch is a nasty slider.

        I doubt Paul or Robinson are viable starters, but Dusty should at least be playing the hot hand and/or putting Heisey in a position to succeed.

        • @CP: Prior to this year, Dusty emphasized that he was careful about his use of Heisey, putting him against pitchers where he had a better chance of success. Maybe he should return to that.

    • @Bill Lack: Paul should have been sent up. It’s ridiculous to let Heisey hit against a guy who throws lots of sliders and lots of bad pitches. Heisey actually didn’t do too badly in terms of swinging at bad balls, but his history isn’t that.

      I also wonder how Arredondo didn’t draw any interest. Doesn’t make sense to me.

  15. Signing Parra as a possible reclamation project off the junk heap was understandable, but that requires a minor league contract, not a $1MM major league contract. Keeping Parra on the 25 man roster out of ST, simply because he throws LH, was sheer lunacy. Not placing Marshall in the 15 day DL was yet another in a very long list of examples of the Reds propesity for playing short-handed and backing themselves into roster crunches. Whether Dusty has significant input or control over those decisions has been openly questioned and debated by the Nation since WJ & Dusty were hired by BC, but the ultimate responsibility (i.e. blame) for those decisions is completely on WJ.

    The misuse of the available bullpen resources is on Dusty and he has demonstrated sufficiently that effective lineup management and bullpen management are completely foreign concepts to him. Dusty bears complete responsibility for wasting the bullpen resources that are available to him, leaving him with no options available.

    The Reds should have produced more runs than the Heisey HR and the Votto RBI. Parra should not be on the roster and should never have been in the game (or any other game this season). No one should blame Parra for losing the game last night any more than blaming any specific hitter for losing the game last night. The players certainly weren’t trying to perform poorly. The blame for that loss goes strictly to the people making decisions that resulted in having to use players that shouldn’t even be on the roster of a contending ML team, or frankly any other ML league team not playing their home games in Miami or Houston.

    • No one should blame Parra for losing the game last night any more than blaming any specific hitter for losing the game last night. The players certainly weren’t trying to perform poorly. The blame for that loss goes strictly to the people making decisions that resulted in having to use players that shouldn’t even be on the roster of a contending ML team, or frankly any other ML league team not playing their home games in Miami or Houston.

      Well said. And sometimes it feels as though people think scoring runs is a matter of choice… “save the runs for next time”… it happens when it happens. The math just doesn’t work in terms of expecting 5 runs every game instead of getting 7,8, 3, 2.

      Last night’s game was one where rest was more important that anything for the bullpen. Hurry back Sean Marshall. Go get one today and get ready for the Nats.

  16. Oh, the kid really stepped up his game in his 2nd ML start. I was suitably impressed. Cingrani is still not ready, but you certainly have to admire his chutzpah and I can’t wait to see his performance to start 2014 after a season in AAA refining his craft. I wouldn’t bet against him stepping up his game even more to meet the challenge in his next start. Hurry back Johnny, but hurry back healthy.

    • @Shchi Cossack: He doesn’t need a year in AAA. IF he’s not ready, he needs whatever time it takes to be ready. That might be a month or two. Maybe a year or two.

      Personally, the moment he’s ready, I want him as the #5 starter. I just think he brings a lot more to the table than Leake does. There’s nothing wrong with Leake as a 5th starter, but that’s no reason to pitch your 6th best starter in the 5th spot just because of comfort, if this is how it shakes out.

  17. Sorry to reopen this pointless discussion, but I’ve been pondering the whole Chapman-to-the-rotation business and wanted to run something by you guys. I was neutral on the subject, but am leaning toward thinking the decision as made was correct. Here’s why: As many of you have stated, the position of closer is overrated. I won’t argue that point. However, the importance of the bullpen as a whole is not overrated. Move Chapman to the rotation (which, btw, is doing well as is) and you move the people in the pen up a notch; it goes from being a team strength to what? Certainly not arguably the best in the league. The reds would obviously have to replace Chapman in the pen, but even though the position is overrated, it’s not of negligible importance, and I doubt that a replacement would be as effective. As for defining the closer’s role so rigidly? I can’t argue with the criticism, but I imagine it’s difficult to balance overwork/underwork among 6 or 7 pitchers.

    • @greenmtred: You make a point that I’ve been meaning to make, which is how his presence in the bullpen (closer or not) strengthens its depth. But there is also a well-reasoned argument, made by many here, that Chapman would be more valuable in the bullpen by pitching in high leverage situations, such as he did in the beginning of 2012, rather than being confined to the modern limited use of a closer.

  18. Let’s be clear, “the 2013 version of Parra” is the every year version of Parra. Allow me to remind you folks, the Brewers non-tendered him and their’s was one of the worst bullpens in the majors. I’m was irritated when they signed him. Now I’m just pissed. I’m sure he’s a nice guy so there is no need to be mean, but I think we’ve seen enough of Mr. Manny Parra.

    • @TC: Yep. This is the kind of signing that puzzles me. Generally I’m willing to admit that a GM has more info to work with than we do, that for example WJ made a good trade for Hoover, saw something more in Alfredo Simon than most of us did, etc.

      But Manny Parra ? None of us could understand it. And it’s not just WJ that thought he could help – Dusty Baker was enthused about Parra and talked about his past success. What past success ?

  19. I’m worried the Nationals are going to light Cingrani up. My worries may be unfounded, but once again he walked that very slim edge between a 2 run gem and disaster. (Errors didn’t help the young lad though). Against the Nationals, you live in a very slim margin.

    Part of me hopes he gets roughed up by the Nationals. He’s got things to work on and their lineup can expose those things. I’m sure the coaches already know those things, but having your head handed to you is a great learning tool. On the other hand, I don’t want to see Cingrani get maltreated, nor see the Reds lose.

    • @TC: Maybe they will light him up. But he did go 7 IP, 5 H, 0 BB, 9 K yesterday. I’m not quite clear on how that was almost a disaster. He gave up a hit, 2 SB, sac fly, and a GABP homer.

        • @TC: They only got 5 baserunners, and 2 scored.

          Looking at the play by play, he got an out with a guy at 3rd and 2 outs, and then he got out of a guy on 3rd, 1 out. They also scored a guy with man on 3rd, 1 out. So, I don’t think that’s anything out of the ordinary.

          I find it hard to believe the scrutiny being placed on the kid. I mean, again, 7 IP, 5 hits, 0 BB, 9 K. I don’t care who you are pitching against, that’s pretty good.

        • @TC: They only got 5 baserunners, and 2 scored.

          Looking at the play by play, he got an out with a guy at 3rd and 2 outs, and then he got out of a guy on 3rd, 1 out.They also scored a guy with man on 3rd, 1 out.So, I don’t think that’s anything out of the ordinary.

          I find it hard to believe the scrutiny being placed on the kid.I mean, again, 7 IP, 5 hits, 0 BB, 9 K.I don’t care who you are pitching against, that’s pretty good.

          I agree, it’s absurd.

    • I’m worried the Nationals are going to light Cingrani up.My worries may be unfounded, but once again he walked that very slim edge between a 2 run gem and disaster.(Errors didn’t help the young lad though).Against the Nationals, you live in a very slim margin.

      Part of me hopes he gets roughed up by the Nationals.He’s got things to work on and their lineup can expose those things.I’m sure the coaches already know those things, but having your head handed to you is a great learning tool.On the other hand, I don’t want to see Cingrani get maltreated, nor see the Reds lose.

      You were watching a different game than I was. He’s already better than Mike Leake.

      • @AnnapolisHoosier: Now there’s an absurd statement. Remember for a moment, when Mike Leake started, he lit it up for the first 10 games. Tell me he’s “already better” after a half season.

  20. Im not blaming Miller for costing us the game yesterday. I think blocking the plate in the 6th was a huge play. I do think not being able to walk or hit was not helpful.

    I think the blame goes back to not being able to hit with RISP. This deficiency is going to hinder this team in many close low scoring games. I just Votto goes back to MVP form and we get a servicable LF.

    Also, for a bullpen that was supposed to be one of the best in all of MLB, it sure has been underwhelming so far. I think this Marshall injury has really hurt this bullpen. We cannot rely on Parra being our lefty. He has been fooling no one.

    Who is this Ismael Guillion on the 40-man? Is he any worse of a LHP than Parra?

    • Im not blaming Miller for costing us the game yesterday.I think blocking the plate in the 6th was a huge play.I do think not being able to walk or hit was not helpful.

      I think the blame goes back to not being able to hit with RISP.This deficiency is going to hinder this team in many close low scoring games.I just Votto goes back to MVP form and we get a servicable LF.

      Also, for a bullpen that was supposed to be one of the best in all of MLB, it sure has been underwhelming so far.I think this Marshall injury has really hurt this bullpen.We cannot rely on Parra being our lefty.He has been fooling no one.

      Who is this Ismael Guillion on the 40-man?Is he any worse of a LHP than Parra?

      The bullpen has been pretty darn good. I think people expect the bullpen to never give up a run. Outside of early on with Hoover, and most of that was on Dusty’s over use, and Parra stinks, but the rest have been pretty darn good.

  21. Somebody more adept than me please find the rate at which teams typically convert runners, and compare the Reds… until there is a statistically significant difference where the Reds are below the norm… well, just quit listening to Marty and Thom.

  22. To me, the Chapman decision will be validated–or exposed for the folly it is–in the playoffs. I’d rather have Cueto-Latos-Chapman-Bailey available in the playoffs than Cueto-Latos-Arroyo-Bailey. Yes, yes, we first have to make the playoffs, but Chapman vs Broxton as closer is unlikely to make the difference in whether we get there. Once there, a stud starter is worth way more than a guy who will only come in if we happen to be winning a close game, and who will probably only be especially useful if that lead is one run.

    • @Eric the Red: Precisely the point I’ve been making for years.

      You cannot have Mike Leake starting a postseason game. Watching that game should have convinced the brass that Chapman starting in the postseason would make a big difference.

      Chapman has thrown a total of 3 innings, I believe, in 2 playoff series. In 2010, Cordero threw zero innings, didn’t he?

      The worst part is that Baker won’t even use Chapman like Torre used Rivera in the postseason. I can imagine the Reds getting a wild card, and in the play-in game they are winning 3-2 in the 8th, and he brings Broxton in.

  23. 3-2 in the eighth, one out and a man on third. We need a strikeout. Broxton induces a grounder to short. Run scores.

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