2013 Reds

Reds (Latos) take on Canada WBC team, eh

Here’s the lineup. JoeyMVP, who is on the roster of both teams, isn’t playing.

Choo 8
Cozart 6
Bruce 9
Ludwick DH
Soto 3
Frazier 5
Heisey 7
Olivo 2
Burriss 4

Latos 1

 

25 thoughts on “Reds (Latos) take on Canada WBC team, eh

    • “This guy is as professional of a hitter that you’re gonna find.”

      Exception being one Joey Votto, of course!

  1. It’s unfortunate that these numbers don’t get added to the spring training totals. It’s not just an exhibition game, it’s an exhibition game within the exhibition season that just doesn’t count.

  2. Fay: Reds’ Chad Rogers has fish story with happy ending….

    Wha-what! What?
    Ignoring the unfortunate title (which Fay does not create), the story is awesome.

  3. Officially Miguel Olivo only hit one homerun so far during the spring training season because the Canada game was an exhibition. Too bad for him!

  4. @redsfanman: Inasmuch as the numbers from one game mean anything, especially in spring, it’s not as though the team and management will ignore what they saw. Whether it shows up as a stat on reds.com is unimportant.

  5. Another Card bites the dust. The Cards have announced that their high $$$ SS, Furcal is out for the year. That has got tohurt. Some yesterday thought I was under-estimating the Cards in those rankings. They are a hurting team. Almost as much as the Yankees. I don’t have any sympathy for those two teams.
    Off with the lame, and on with the game.

  6. Speaking of Professional Hitter… I was looking through historical stats and my own personal opinion of the top 10 greatest Reds of all times are as follows:
    1.) Frank Robinson
    2.) Joe Morgan
    3.) Joey Votto
    4.) Pete Rose
    5.) George Foster
    6.) Johnny Bench
    7.) Barry Larkin
    8.) Eric Davis
    9.) Tedd Kluszewski
    10.) Tony Perez/Vada Pinson (couldn’t decide)

    (btw Junior and Dunn would be in the top 15)
    Anyway, provided Votto plays another 3 to 4 years at this approximate level to bump up his cumulative stats, he will be #1.

  7. @TC: That’s a nice list. I wish I would have seen Klu and Pinson play. I also wish I could remember Robinson as a Red and the Big Red Machine better.

  8. @LWBlogger: Well, Robinson was long gone by the time I was born, but I do remember the Big Red Machine. I like Vada Pinson even though his hitting stats are not in the top 10 because of his steals.

    Again, a bit of perspective, Votto has a quarter of the PAs of Rose, but he has 1/3 the number of walks. He has the highest AVG of anyone born after 1900. He has the highest OBP AND OPS of any player all time. Only Robinson has a higher slugging percentage.

    As far as cumulative, he’s 47th in hits, 21st in Walks, 32nd in RBIs, 18th in HRs, and 23rd in 2Bs.

  9. I just can’t agree to any list that doesn’t have Morgan as #1. He’s just too good relative to his peers, 1972-1976 is arguably the best run any modern era player has ever played, and 1975 is probably the best single season any Red has ever played.

  10. I would have to rate Bench above Foster. Given the length of their careers (as Reds) and what each did both hitting and fielding, I think you have to give Bench the edge. Heck, some rate him the best catcher of all time. Curious if I am in left field (next to Yahtzee of course!) in my thinking or if any anyone else agrees.

    From the ESPN Top 100 baseball players of all time:

    ESPN
    20 – Joe Morgan
    22 – Frank Robinson
    27 – Johnny Bench
    37 – Pete Rose
    74 – Barry Larkin

    (Seaver and Griffey, Jr. were also listed) Votto (too young) and Foster were not listed.

    • I would have to rate Bench above Foster.Given the length of their careers (as Reds) and what each did both hitting and fielding, I think you have to give Bench the edge. Heck, some rate him the best catcher of all time.Curious if I am in left field (next to Yahtzee of course!) in my thinking or if any anyone else agrees.

      From the ESPN Top 100 baseball players of all time:

      ESPN
      20 – Joe Morgan
      22 – Frank Robinson
      27 – Johnny Bench
      37 – Pete Rose
      74 – Barry Larkin

      (Seaver and Griffey, Jr. were also listed) Votto (too young) and Foster were not listed.

      Agreed with Bench and Foster. I would even consider Larkin above Foster. Not definite, but I would consider it.

  11. @TC: Interesting list. Robinson vs Morgan is a tough call, I think, if we’re talking about career. I haven’t studied it, but Morgan’s peak value was surely better, right?

    I think Bench has to be way, way over Foster.

    Finally, I like Larkin over Votto. Votto hasn’t played that many years yet.

  12. All time Reds hitters, you might have to include Ernie Lombardi for some of the old timers too. Looking it up, Lombardi’s career OPS is exactly the same as George Foster at .818, which admittably surprised me.

    The Schnozz hit for a pretty high average and good power for a catcher back in the 1930s and I seem to recall from the big Bill James book that his average would have been even better if the guy wasn’t such a slow runner.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lombaer01.shtml

  13. Vada Pinson was smooth and effortlessly looking. Obviously Jr Griffey was a much better overall player (than Pinson) but physically I see him as a person to point out as similar to Pinson to those who weren’t around to see Vada.

    A person’s career is what the numbers say when it is all over but I think it is also worthy to note that for all he accomplished, Bench was never the same individual player after he had that cancer scare and thoracic surgery following the 1972 (I believe) season.

  14. Thanks guys. I admit, it’s just a personal list and imperfect. Lombardi is a good call. He’s have to be in a top 10 list. How do you squeeze 12 guys into a list of 10?

  15. By the way, I left my favorite all time player off the list (Griffey, Jr) because the greater majority of what he accomplished occurred in Seattle. Same with Seaver since he is more associated with the Mets.

    My lists was weighed with more offense in mind because that’s what I was looking at when building it. Offensive stats alone, Robinson has a slight edge on Morgan. But you add the fact Morgan is perhaps the best defensive 2nd basemen of all times, would, in my mind give him an edge over Robinson. Same with Bench. Offensively, Foster did more with fewer ABs. But when you factor in that Bench IS the greatest catcher of all time, then he has to be higher on the list. I’m not certain I’d put Larkin over Foster though.

    One day, future generations may be arguing if Dunn belongs on such a list. But my point is, there is a very good chance that one day we might see Votto as been the greatest Reds player of all times.

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