2013 Reds / Spring Training

26 thoughts on “Panic!

  1. When I was a kid I knew the Redskins were going to be great when they didn’t win any preseason games.

    Honestly, I think tracking win/loss records in Spring Training is pointless.

  2. If the Reds were fielding a team every day of veterans and using their #1-6 starting pitching more often, then there would be cause for alarm. But the Reds are playing alot of youngsters and minor league invitees right now. However, offensively the Reds are not showing much in ST. And that has been their most constant irritant the last couple of seasons, a lack of offense or runs and a lack of timely hitting. And Choo, to date, hasn’t shown much of anything, except a knack for being hurt.

    • And Choo, to date, hasn’t shown much of anything, except a knack for being hurt.

      The guy has 3 hits, 2 walks, and has scored 5 runs (thus scoring every time he’s reached)… and a .357 OBP in limited action. I’d say that’s the kind of stuff we’re looking for. His power will be there, but that’s not why they need him. And it doesn’t sounds like CF is going poorly either. The guy is a pro, and it’s only March 5th… Choo is going to be awesome.

      • The guy has 3 hits, 2 walks, and has scored 5 runs (thus scoring every time he’s reached)… and a .357 OBP in limited action. I’d say that’s the kind of stuff we’re looking for. His power will be there, but that’s not why they need him. And it doesn’t sounds like CF is going poorly either. The guy is a pro, and it’s only March 5th… Choo is going to be awesome.

        All of this stuff!

  3. Yeah, this is really serious. I think Dusty and Bryan Price should throw a bunch of bats into the showers to reduce the amount of lollygagging.

  4. Panic? Not really. Still lots of minor leaguers and non-rosters playing. That can be a recipe for losing games. Let’s see how the start of the regular season goes.

    But, wondering? I will agree to that. But, I’ve always been one that, you may start out slow at the beginning of ST, experimenting with some things, etc. But, before the end of ST, you want to be game ready. You don’t want to go into the regular season without having a streak of performing well and being “game ready” from game 1. But, again, that’s how I always worked. I’ve never been one to just “play around” or “experiment only” with ST, then turn on the light switch with the first pitch of regular season.

  5. Anyone else seen this video? The Red’s strength and conditioning coach Matt Krause talks about the player’s pregame/in-game/postgame workout regimen. Very informative.

  6. Fire Walt Jocketty for inviting a lot of these guys to spring training! Jay Bruce is hitting .071 and Cozart is hitting .133, proof that their careers are OVER. Johnny Cueto with his 5.40 ERA, what a waste of money!

  7. I remember not so long ago, the Reds would come into ST and tear it up and we’d all take it as a sign that THIS was going to be the year…. Then they’d promptly finish 4th or 5th.

    ST games sure seemed to mean a lot more back then didn’t they? How times change…

    • I remember not so long ago, the Reds would come into ST and tear it up and we’d all take it as a sign that THIS was going to be the year…. Then they’d promptly finish 4th or 5th.

      ST games sure seemed to mean a lot more back then didn’t they? How times change…

      Case in point. Those were years when we were stacked in the farm system and and our big league talent was old and declining.

  8. I could care less about game outcomes, but when the run differentials are as skewed as they have been this spring so far the one thing you CAN take away from it is that our farm system is NOT very deep. Consider that everyone we’re playing is doing the same thing we are – playing mostly minor league invitees and slowly working starters into the mix – and our farm system clearly doesn’t stack up to those of the teams we’re facing. But I don’t think that comes as much of a surprise to anyone here. We’ve gutted our farm system in recent years and it’s produced one of the best, most balanced, youngest big league clubs in MLB. So just pray for a healthy roster.

  9. @eric nyc: I agree that the farm system isn’t particularly deep but with guys like Tony Cingrani, Clay Hensley, JJ Hoover, Henry Rodriguez, Neftali Soto, Cesar Izturis, Billy Hamilton, and Ryan LaMarre all likely headed to Louisville they’ll have decent contingency plans in case of injuries. Maybe even reliever Mark Prior.

    Louisville might not have 25 great players on their roster but I think there will be more guys there now who can immediately help the Reds than there were last April. Particularly Tony Cingrani and Henry Rodriguez, either can fill a variety of roles if necessary.

  10. But we play the Angels today, the AL team with the worst ST record. So…it’s put up or shut up time. Or maybe not.

  11. @wildwestLV: It’s like a rehearsal for opening day, just without guys like Joey Votto, Brandon Phillips, and Alfredo Simon, who are off enjoying the WBC. And without any pitchers the Angels would face on opening day pitching. Other than that it’ll be a decisive game – which team is better.

  12. When the 2012 season ended, I had some significant concerns going into the 2013 season:

    #1) Joey Votto was obviously not healthy, even though he put up phenominal numers on one healthy leg. Was Votto going to be fully healthy for 2013?

    So far this ST, Votto has a .375/.500/.688/1.188 slash line with 1 HR & 2 doubles. He’s playing at full go and playing aggressively. The man is back and ready to castrate NL (and some of the AL) pitching this season.

    #2) The top of the order was an unmitigated disaster last season. That needed to be addressed and corrected if the Reds were going to succeed as expected in 2013.

    Choo will lead off and has a .357 OBP in early ST, but he needed time off to take care of a tender hammy. The hammy concerns me a lot, but the reports indicate it’s nothing serious and he should be full go after rest. Let’s hope so.

    Phillips is hitting .294/.294/.412/.706 in early ST and is on the way to the WBC. BP knows what he needs to do from the #2 hole and I expect he will work the count more in 2013. I have full confidence in Choo and BP setting the table for Votto and Co.

    #3) Meso a perilously disappointing season in 2012. Could he turn things around and get his MoJo back?

    Meso is hitting .364/.364/1.000/1.364 in early ST returns. Folks, I believe the Meso MoJo is back. He may well be the cleanup hitter the Reds will need as a long-term solution.

    #4) The utility IF was another unmitigated disaster in 2012. If Dusty is going to play them on a regular basis (and he will), then they must be able to contribute offensively and defensively.

    Donald is hitting .333/.455/.444/.899 in early ST returns.
    Hannahan is hitting .333/.444/.400/.844 in early ST returns.
    Those lines are absolutely encouraging in every respect and if one of those players struggles…
    Rodriguez is hitting .500/.529/.625/1.154 in early ST returns.

    Those were my only concerns coming out of the 2012 season and none of them are concerns now.

  13. To me, the games (and game broadcasts) are about hearing how players are doing physically, getting their work in, etc. While the lack of offense is no fun to listen to, it’s hardly a concern. …. Now, ask me this question again in about three weeks if the regular guys are struggling, then I’ll be more worried. Stretches of last season just waiting, waiting for the offense to explode was not a lot of fun.

  14. I enjoy listening to the broadcasters try to keep track of what’s going on as far as player moves. Here comes #92… who’s #92? There’s a new outfielder – when’d that happen – who is that, LaMarre? The other day the Reds broadcasters were expressing that they were happy that Dusty doesn’t try to throw them off with double switches in the spring, and he named somebody else who does – Bud Black, I think.

    @Shchi Cossack: I think Devin Mesoraco has a long way to go before he’s the cleanup hitter. A big step (which he hasn’t achieved yet) would be getting the majority of the playing time.

  15. @Shchi Cossack:
    Chi, good stuff. Do us a favor please. Re-visit this topic in say, 3 weeks, just as spring training is winding down. I am a little worried about Choo’s health, and Ludwick is still a liability batting in the 4 hole. But I agree with most of your assessment. I am not worried about the Chapman transition.

    • @redsfanman:

      I think Devin Mesoraco has a long way to go before he’s the cleanup hitter.

      No disagreement with that observation, but I do believe he might be the long-term solution. Of course he still has to prove he’s capable of filling tha role.

      @Steve Mancuso:

      The only significant question that remains unanswered is Chapman’s transition to the starting rotation.

      Yes, but I didn’t (and still don’t) consider that a concern. If and how that will be accomplished will simply take care of itself in good time.

      @WVRedlegs:

      Re-visit this topic in say, 3 weeks, just as spring training is winding down.

      That’s a lot to ask of the old Cossack. I so hate commenting on this stuff.

  16. Whenever Spring Training records get me down… I remember these graphs…

    … admittedly, I’m an engineer, so that sort of thing makes perfect sense to me, but still… it’s only spring training!

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