2013 Reds

Devin Mesoraco or Miguel Olivo?

Devin Mesoraco or Miguel Olivo?

We already know that Ryan Hanigan will make the club out of spring training. Which other catcher will make the team? Of course, Mesoraco should be the obvious choice, in my not-even-remotely humble opinion. Guess what?

Mesoraco may not be the obvious choice:

“It’s more than likely a three-time race, basically with Hanigan being the frontrunner,” Reds manager Dusty Baker said. “We have to decide whether to keep Mesoraco or Olivo. …

“Olivo has a lot of experience,” Baker said. “The one draw back is he’s non-roster. You really, really have to play your way on to take somebody off and expose them (to waivers). I know he’s super strong. He has a real good throwing arm. I’ve known him a long time. He brings a lot of energy to the game.”

Okay, much ado about nothing, in my opinion. Olivo isn’t going to make this team, barring injury. He’ll head to Louisville and be available if needed later.

Am I being too optimistic?

Update: Jason here, presumably Chad won’t mind if I point out this piece I have up over at ESPN today that partially addresses Mesoraco’s performance last year.

91 thoughts on “Devin Mesoraco or Miguel Olivo?

  1. @CP: Btw, anybody see Bench’s first season?
    .163/.207/.256 in 93 ABs

    That was a September cameo for Bench which was followed by .275/.311/.433 in 550+ AB’s his first full season the following year.
    To compare apples to apples, Mesoraco was .180/.226/.36 in 53 AB’s in his 2011 September cameo and followed that up with .212/.288/.352 in 165 AB’s n 2012 which would have been his first full season had he not been sent down in late August.
    The point can be made that Bench got 3x as many AB’s in his first full season as Meso in 2012; and, those who share opinions similar to mine would counter than had Meso performed he would have gotten considerably more AB’s, although it is hard to project how many since we don’t know how much of his pine time in September was due to fallout from the concussion versus manager’s decision.

  2. Some people here seem to be assuming that Dusty has a big problem with Devin Mesoraco. And some are ignoring the concussion and the relation that might have had to his demotion to AAA in 2012. Maybe we should connect the two together and assume Mesoraco was ACTUALLY injured in a fist fight with Dusty Baker. It’s no more absurd (ooooh, look how much lower the ERA is for the guy who catches Johnny Cueto than the one who catches Mike Leake!) than some of the suggestions being offered here, and it sorta ties the conspiracy theories to ship Mesoraco out of town together.

    Maybe Devin Mesoraco is flat out a worse defensive catcher than Ryan Hanigan. Does that mean he’s also a worse defensive catcher than Miguel Olivo? I don’t think so.

    I think the broadcasters should be ‘preparing’ fans for players who MIGHT make the team. ‘Introducing’ them to new players is a more appropriate term. That includes Miguel Olivo and Cesar Izturis, two guys competing for jobs that are Devin Mesoraco and Jason Donald’s to lose. The competition for roster jobs is a big part of spring training.

    Expectations that the Reds will ‘give up’ on Devin Mesoraco is just wishful thinking on the part of fans who don’t like Mesoraco. When was the last time the Reds gave up on a highly regarded young prospect after his rookie season? Homer Bailey was allowed to struggle for years in a far more important role than as Ryan Hanigan’s backup.

    • Some people here seem to be assuming that Dusty has a big problem with Devin Mesoraco. And some are ignoring the concussion and the relation that might have had to his demotion to AAA in 2012. Maybe we should connect the two together and assume Mesoraco was ACTUALLY injured in a fist fight with Dusty Baker. It’s no more absurd

      That is a nonsensical statement. It is patently more absurd. I’m tired of reading your arrogant replies to some venerated posters on this board. There is a way to have a discussion without pissing everyone off.

  3. Marty get’s an idea about a player and then that player just can’t shake it. If he likes you, he likes you but if he doesn’t, he will harp on the player’s bad traits or perceived bad traits. It’s a shame because what Marty says resonates with the fans and the fans will often start disliking a player. Marty is great when he calls a game. He’s one of the best play-by-play guys ever. I really wish he’d just stick the game on the field and not interject his opinions of a player’s work ethic, attitude, etc.

  4. @Hank Aarons Teammate: Everything (broadcasters’ comments) I recall from prior to Meso’s injury and send down was about his offense. Statements and inferences to the fact that Jacoby and/ or Baker were trying to work with him on mental approach and some technical points but that there wasn’t any evidence that he was listening or trying to follow through. That he seemed intent on trying to lift and pull every thing.

    The main incident I recall after the injury was on Baker’s pregame radio show after Meso was back up. I think it was probably Kelch who asked Baker what were the plans for Meso for the rest of the year. Baker went on at length about how Meso was now #3. That he used to be #2 but he hadn’t gotten the job done and was now #3 and would have to get his work done between games to be ready to step in and take advantage of any opportunities availed him. Also perhaps a kicker to the fact that was what Navarro had done all season long at AAA and when the chance came he had grabbed it and ran with it,

  5. @OhioJim: I want to make clear here and then I’ll shut up on this topic, that I think it would be great for the Reds and Mesoraco if he got his house in order and went on to have the sort of career expected of a #1 draft pick.

    I think perhaps there is something of a generational difference coming out in this discussion. Over the years (in the past) it was not all that unusual to see a heralded guy come up and washout and go back down and get himself together and eventually a good or even outstanding career.

    It seems like anymore If it is suggested that somebody should go down to AAA and put in serious time at finding their self, that is tantamount to declaring them a failure and lost cause which is not what I have meant to say. Just to me, the place to grow up and find one’s self is the minor’s and not MLB.

  6. @Steve Mancuso: Thank you for explaining your comment. I disagree to some extent. I believe that you can draw some conclusions about intelligence whether it be from reading posts or watching how someone plays baseball. Stupid is as stupid does, as Forrest Gump’s mother would say.

    If I posted something like “cERA is the best way to evaluate a catcher” or “Mesoraco probably punched Dusty Baker” or “amirite” well yes, you would be right to think I was stupid, or at the very least that I have very poor judgement. Those are stupid things to say. I don’t think I have posted anything quite that ridiculous.

    I feel that it is valid to point out that it is stupid for a catcher on a team in a pennant race to argue balls and strikes and then poke the ump. I don’t think that makes me sound arrogant or like I think I’m so smart. If I remember correctly, it put the team in an awkward position regarding how they would manage the roster at that point. Regardless, it was a mistake that being a concussed rookie does not excuse.

    Why did Dusty yell at Mesoraco on the field? Can you even believe Dusty did that? When else has that happened?

    that.@CP: Speculation is what happens before the real baseball starts. I am horribly sorry if I have upset anyone’s delicate sensibilities by talking about how I “feel” about “things”. I hope everyone knows that opinions are prohibited here and only facts may be posted.

    If Latos always performs poorly at the beginning of the season, it doesn’t make sense that it was just “poor performance” that caused the switch to being caught by Hanigan. What was it then? I haven’t looked, has Latos always changed catchers early in the season and improved afterward? I know he gets better as the season goes on, please don’t make fun of me for not saying explicitly that I know that.

    I didn’t say anything about the “specious reasoning” comment because of how badly you embarrassed yourself by citing some of Bench’s stats as if they were relevant to this conversation. Implying that Mesoraco could approach Bench’s career on the basis that they both did poorly in a small sample size major league debut is just so much more specious than anything I said I really didn’t feel like it would be fair to even mention it. I did not assert any conclusions. I posed some valid questions that have been raised by what I have seen and heard.

    But anyway, hey everyone, relax, Bench sucked at first too so obviously Mesoraco is the next Bench.

    I hope Mes gets better.

    • Bro, you need to chill. Saying you’re wrong or your reasoning is flawed is not an insult. In my profession, it’s actually just the way we talk back and forth. I like having my line of reasoning questioned, it makes me better at what I do.

      If Latos always performs poorly at the beginning of the season, it doesn’t make sense that it was just “poor performance” that caused the switch to being caught by Hanigan. What was it then?I haven’t looked, has Latos always changed catchers early in the season and improved afterward?I know he gets better as the season goes on, please don’t make fun of me for not saying explicitly that I know that.

      You’ve made an faulty assumption here. I think there is a significant problem in my argument that Latos is a slow starter by the way, but thanks for not pointing that out.

      I didn’t say anything about the “specious reasoning” comment because of how badly you embarrassed yourself by citing some of Bench’s stats as if they were relevant to this conversation. Implying that Mesoraco could approach Bench’s career on the basis that they both did poorly in a small sample size major league debut is just so much more specious than anything I said I really didn’t feel like it would be fair to even mention it. I did not assert any conclusions. I posed some valid questions that have been raised by what I have seen and heard.

      I never said Mes=Bench or anything of the sort. Pointing out that baseball’s all time catcher struggled in a small sample size isn’t relevant to a heralded prospect playing the exact same position for the exact same organization? I guess we should be thankful Dave Bristol didn’t assume Bench was bad from his turrrible performance. :D

      I hope Mes gets better.

      Agreed!

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