2013 Reds

Opening Day Lineup*

Here’s the lineup for today’s opener in *Goodyear. No real surprises. Miguel Olivo getting the “veteran treatment” will DH. Game time is 3:05 (Eastern). Broadcast on WLW.

  1. Shin-Soo Choo CF
  2. Brandon Phillips 2B
  3. Joey Votto 1B
  4. Ryan Ludwick LF
  5. Jay Bruce RF
  6. Todd Fraizer 3B
  7. Zack Cozart SS
  8. Ryan Hanigan C
  9. Miguel Olivo DH
  10. Tony Cingrani P

34 thoughts on “Opening Day Lineup*

  1. I’m surprised they’re going with the regular starting lineups, I expected they’d start out with the scrubs due to the extra long spring training this year. It’ll be interesting to see how long the starters, including Cingrani, stay in the game.

    -I think Zack Cozart playing “WW” is a typo.

  2. First lineup criticism of 2013. Firsties!!!

    It almost seems like Hanigan’s best skill (not striking out) is wasted in the 8 hole. The 8 hitter will take a fair number of walks regardless because of the pitch-around. The 7th spot gets more RBI opportunities. I think it would be a win-win for each guy to swap spots in the order.

    Not to mention that Hanigan’s OBP is far better. He needs more PA.

  3. @Sultan of Swaff: FIRSTIES? I beat you by a few seconds! Although I don’t think I was criticizing the lineup though, more like I was impressed by how good it was. I thought it’d feature non-roster invitees who are likely to be gone in the first round of cuts.

    I think you’re just going to learn to suffer through seeing Hanigan bat after Cozart.

  4. Indians have a new-look lineup, with Drew Stubbs (sniffle) in RF. Much improved.

    CF Bourn
    SS Cabrera
    2B Kipnis
    1B Swisher
    LF Brantley
    C Santana
    DH Reynolds
    3B Chisenhall
    RF Stubbs
    P Soto.

  5. Wow, imagine that, Stubbs hitting 8th. Now there’s a different approach to handling a .277 OBP with exceptional speed. I wonder why we never thought about that when he played for the Reds?

    • Wow, imagine that, Stubbs hitting 8th.Now there’s a different approach to handling a .277 OBP with exceptional speed.I wonder why we never thought about that when he played for the Reds?

      Because ‘bad’ isn’t synonymous with ‘better than the alternative’.

  6. @redsfanman: er, because ‘bad’ isn’t synonomous with ‘worse than the alternative’, I should say. Somebody being unsuitable for a role doesn’t mean that there’s a better option available… like Michael Bourn or Shin-Shoo Choo.

  7. What are we going to have to bitch about every day this season? This’ll be the lineup every day but Sunday.

    • Does anyone else find it funny that whenever ESPN shows our “projected lineup” they have Hanigan batting 7th and Cozilla 8th? Apparently they aren’t familiar with the rules of dustyball: CATCHER BATS EIGHTH, ALWAYS.

      Anyway, this is the year I can feel it.

      ESPN frequently makes a third-party evaluation without factoring in important information, like tendencies of the manager. They usually don’t seem to ask anybody who watches the Reds before making a determination. It’s nothing new.

      What are we going to have to bitch about every day this season? This’ll be the lineup every day but Sunday.

      We’ll find something. Jay Bruce, any day he goes 0/4. Ryan Ludwick, any day he has a bad day it’ll show his career is on the decline. Choo’s defense. The catcher, with Dusty foolishly favoring the veteran (Hanigan) over the young guy (Mesoraco) some guys and foolishly favoring the young guy (Mesoraco) over the better guy (Hanigan) other days. And the choice of setupman. Only Dusty Baker would be dumb enough to bring ______ into a close game. Every time a pinch hitter gets an out only Dusty would be dumb enough to bring THAT guy into the game.

    • What are we going to have to bitch about every day this season? This’ll be the lineup every day but Sunday.

      Dusty Baker is still the manager, so we’ll still have plenty of ill-advised in-game moves and inappropriate bunting situations. Plus, it won’t be every day, but they will lose 20-21 games this year, so we’ll have those days to complain, too!
      :D

  8. @Sultan of Swaff: Hanigan’s OBP is inflated by his hitting 8th. You said as much when you said the 8 hole guy will get more walks regardless. I really like Hanigan, but he’s not an elite offensive catcher. He’s very average and was helped even more last year from the fact that opposing teams not only didn’t have to worry about our 9th hitter, they also didn’t have to worry about the 2 guys batting right after him. Hanigan will come back down to earth this year (which will be perfectly fine for a great defensive catcher) and Cozart will take a big step up with the pressure off of him.

    • @eric nyc: Good question. Maybe the “Free Billy Hamilton” club. And bunts, don’t forget we love to argue about bunts!

      I don’t think we’ll hear as much about bunts this year with Stubbs out of the picture. I doubt many people want Shin-Shoo Choo, who can put up an OBP around .380, voluntarily giving up an out, or Brandon Phillips sacrifice bunting a runner over so Joey Votto will get walked.

  9. @eric nyc: Look at Hanigan’s career OBP and define what “come back to earth means” because it’s never been lower than .356 And, by OPS+, 2012 was his least productive year to date.

    No, he’s not elite offensively, but let’s not short-change the man either. You still have to have the plate patience and pitch selection to put up numbers like that. He can work an at-bat. If I just read Baseball Reference correctly, the NL average for someone hitting out the of 8th spot in 2012 was .311 OBP (Hanigan: .365). He’s got a skill set few other Reds have, and it’s fair to recognize it.

  10. Does anyone else find it funny that whenever ESPN shows our “projected lineup” they have Hanigan batting 7th and Cozilla 8th? Apparently they aren’t familiar with the rules of dustyball: CATCHER BATS EIGHTH, ALWAYS.

    Anyway, this is the year I can feel it.

  11. @Matt WI: Correction, he put up a slightly lower OPS+ in ’09 (85) than ’12 (88) in 22 less games. 10% career strikeout ratio (MLB avg= 18%) and a 12% career walk rate. I’m not saying that means he needs to be moved somewhere else, but that he’s certainly earned what he’s produced.

    I kind of like at least the idea of him at 7th, and Cozart with the power to score him from time to time… or they pitch around Cozart, who I do hope is going to have a strong year, bringing up the top of our order that much sooner. Pick your poison.
    Nothing to quibble about though.

  12. @eric nyc: My first thought exactly was that is the lineup we are going to see all year, barring injury

    /knocks on wood
    //crosses fingers
    ///avoids stepping on cracks.

  13. It’s amazing how adding a leadoff hitter makes the manager look so much smarter. Who would’ve thought?

    • It’s amazing how adding a leadoff hitter makes the manager look so much smarter.Who would’ve thought?

      You funny. This makes Dusty look smart? You are just desperate to praise Dusty, aren’t you? You’re the one who always says not to blame Dusty for playing a certain guy or guys, because hey, Walt is the one who put the guy(s) on the team. So Dusty gets credit for writing down Choo in the leadoff spot? I suppose you see viable alternatives that could have led Dusty to go a different way? He tried Stubbs there a lot, gee, didn’t work. He tried Cozart there a lot last year, not a lot of success there either. But by all means, it took great baseball chops to write in Choo’s name at leadoff. Dusty sure looks like a genius today!!!

      • You funny. This makes Dusty look smart? You are just desperate to praise Dusty, aren’t you? You’re the one who always says not to blame Dusty for playing a certain guy or guys, because hey, Walt is the one who put the guy(s) on the team. So Dusty gets credit for writing down Choo in the leadoff spot? I suppose you see viable alternatives that could have led Dusty to go a different way? He tried Stubbs there a lot, gee, didn’t work. He tried Cozart there a lot last year, not a lot of success there either. But by all means, it took great baseball chops to write in Choo’s name at leadoff. Dusty sure looks like a genius today!!!

        I think Jocketty bringing in Choo eliminates the main criticism of Dusty Baker’s lineups. I think Dusty looks smarter if there’s not something – like a leadoff hitter with an OBP under .300 – that makes him look like an idiot.

        Over the winter Dusty went from having no ‘right’ choice for leadoff to having a unanimous choice for the ‘right’ guy to hit leadoff. Having players to fill roles does make a manager look smarter.

  14. I like this lineup, 1 thru 8. Wouldn’t be a bad everyday lineup. The weak link in the chain though is the #4 hole, still. Ludwick will be adequate I guess, but nothing to get excited about. I hope the Reds have enough offense to overcome this deficiency, otherwise it might be “as Ludwick goes, so do the Reds.”

  15. @WVRedlegs: “As Ludwick goes, so do the Reds”? I thought Scott Rolen entered last season as the cleanup hitter. He was replaced in that role before long and I don’t think he dragged the Reds down with him. I doubt the Reds would put up with a bad performance by Ludwick for long before tinkering with the lineup – particularly moving Todd Frazier to 4th as a relatively minor (in that it doesn’t mix up the whole lineup) change.

  16. @Matt WI: I’m not trying to take anything away from Hanigan. I’m a huge Hanigan fan. And I wouldn’t mind one bit if him and Cozart were switched in the everyday lineup. I just KIND of understand why Dusty likes Hanigan at 8 and with the uptick I’m expecting from Cozart batting 7th I think we’ll see more RBI production. Regardless, if all we have to debate is the order of our 7 and 8 then this is a pretty damn good lineup.

    As for Ludwick, I think he’ll be just fine at cleanup. Maybe not quite as good as last year in terms of HR’s (although there’s really no reason to say he WON’T put up those numbers again) but with the added runners in scoring position ahead of him his run production should be fine and Joey and Bruce’s deadly left-handed streams will never have to cross.

  17. If Choo and Votto stay healthy all season I think the Reds can avoid any big lineup shakeups like they’ve had to do in the past. Maybe they’ll face some tinkering, like with the #4 and #7 spot, but it seems like that’d be it.

    I think Cozart will start a few games in the #1 and #2 spot when Choo and Phillips, respectively, are unavailable, and it’ll be interesting to see how that is received.

  18. @Brian Van Hook: I strongly believe that acquiring players is the GM’s responsibility, and it’s silly to blame a lack of quality players on the manager… but the later tends to happen because the manager is more visible.

  19. Now Terry Francona seems to be facing some criticism for naming Drew Stubbs as the RF. Everybody knows he doesn’t hit well enough to hit RF. Nobody seems to suggest a better option, but hey. If the front office provided a better option for RF or DH the concern would disappear. I believe that finding an upgrade for Stubbs is the GM’s job, not Francona’s. Similarly acquiring a leadoff hitter was Jocketty’s responsibility, not Dusty’s.

  20. @redsfanman: Francona might not have any better option for right field, I don’t follow the Tribe that closely. But the only comparison, to me, is whether Francona decides that Stubbs should hit 1 or 2 in the order, no matter how bad he flails and fails.

  21. @Brian Van Hook: Terry Francona is too smart to consider letting Drew Stubbs lead off. Why? Michael Bourn. The GM gave him a better option, something Dusty didn’t have before Choo. Francona’s roster lets him bat Stubbs in the bottom of the order, which makes Francona look smarter.

  22. Actually, that’s Stubbs hitting 9th for the Indians.

    As far as our lineup, it looks good. Heck, it’s spring training, the time to experiment and think outside the box when you can. What about leading Leake off at DH?

    My biggest question year, the offensive production from the 4 hole. Ludwick needs to, at minimum, match his numbers from last year, I believe.

  23. Indians outfield should be one of the best defensive outfields in baseball with basically three centerfielders out there.

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