2013 Reds

The Post-Rolen/Cairo Reds

For better or worse, Scott Rolen and Miguel Cairo are no longer members of the Cincinnati Reds. While each had their ups and downs, no one can argue the fact that both men contributed mightily (at times) to this franchise’s return to prominence. I choose to remember both their careers with the Reds fondly.

Over at C-ing Reds, Tara has taken a look at the Reds in what they call the “Post-Rolen, Post-Cairo era.” It’s worth a read.

10 thoughts on “The Post-Rolen/Cairo Reds

  1. I believe Rolen was one of the larger cogs in in turning the 2009 Reds into the 2010 Reds. And Cairo was a solid pro who did things the right way. Together, they deserve a good amount of the credit for changing the culture of this team, and two important stepping stones in getting the Reds to where they are today. I will look back on them both fondly.

  2. I-yi-yi, this gets a little dicey for me. There’s so much gray in blanket statements about the culture and chemistry of a team that for me it becomes a bit dubious. Is the credit is a tad too generous? I’m not oblivious to statements from Votto and others, and I’m more than happy to let these guys have their moment in the sun, but I do feel uneasy when I hear statements about how they altered the trajectory of the franchise. I mean, the bulk of the success during their tenure came from the pitching side of the ledger, right? Does Dusty deserve some of the same praise (can’t believe I just typed that)? How does normal performance gains from a young team factor in? How did either help when they weren’t on the field the majority of the time?

    I know, I should congratulate not hate, but I just never bought into the Rolen thing.

  3. No denying Rolen’s impact here. Cairo, before last year, always seemed to be a solid contributor. Ready for this years Reds to get out of the gates and start playing games.

  4. I mean, yeah, I don’t want to oversell it. The “culture” stuff’s hard to quantify. But still, let’s try:

    – Credit for Reds 2010 success, my best estimate (adjusted for inflation) –
    Scott Rolen – 11%
    Miguel Cairo – 2.5%

  5. @Sultan of Swaff: I can go along with you that “chemistry” is a vague and often overused concept. Culture I think less so. Work ethic. preparation, and recognizing/understanding/ exploiting situations where games are won and lost is very teachable and learnable. To me this is the “culture” part of the equation; and I think Rolen played as large a part as anybody in getting those lessons across (although as more time goes by, I am thinking Arroyo probably hasn’t gotten his just dues for doing a lot of the same work with the pitching staff).

  6. I was a fan of both of them. There’s a reason that some teams are perennial (sp?) losers. It permeates the whole team culture. Rolen and Cairo had been to the summit, and showed their teammates how to conduct themselves and prepare for games.

    As an aside, there were few here that missed Edwin when he left (though that 2012 season was spectacular), but many wrung their hands for trading away the great Zach Stewart. A couple of seasons in MLB later, he’s sporting a 6.82 ERA. At age 28, he’s getting a bit old to be considered a legit prospect …

  7. Billy Doran and Todd Benzinger were my favorite Reds on their respective teams. I dunno why, I guess just guys who played beneath the radar like I did. Cairo and Rolen were like that for me. I identified with them a bit more than some of the ‘greats’. They just seemed like guys. It’s good to have some of them around after their playing days are over. Gives some hope to guys like me.

  8. Why does everyone want to live in that past? Rolen is gone, by his own choice. Why does everyone want to continue to mourn his absence? He was very good for two years and not so much for two. Third is Todd’s now and should have been during last year’s playoffs. Let’s all live in the now and enjoy the players that want to be here!! GO REDS!!

  9. Difficult to say. To say Rolen and Cairo were big parts, readers can easily think then that you aren’t taking into consideration Uncle Walt and Uncle Bob for all they have done, as well as the previous GM’s like Krivsky (spelling?) for building up the minor league system. Not to mention, winning can cure a lot of ills.

    So, I will say it like this. For the “on the field” play and prepping for that, I credit Rolen and even Cairo with that a lot. Before, we had few players around here who understood “what it takes”. Now, many seem to understand that.

    The last things I may remember of Rolen and Cairo may be their last seasons (poor), but I will remember them overall as they definitely did have positive effect on this team and club.

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