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From John Fay:

I’m hearing now that Rolen wants to play.

That tells me the issue may be money. The Reds are at or above their budget for payroll. The Reds obviously can’t pay Rolen what he made last year ($6.5 million). How much can they pay? I have no idea. But given the way they’ve deferred money, the budget is tight.

If Rolen wants the most money, the Dodgers would be his best option. Don Mattingly reached out to Rolen about coming there. Rolen is not an LA kind of guy. All things being equal, the Reds would be his choice is my guess.

The Reds’ roster is also tight. The Reds have two third baseman already in Todd Frazier and Jack Hannahan.

Rolen’s been terrible since the first half of ’10. He SHOULD retire (and protect what’s left of his legacy), but if he wants to play (and that’s surely his choice), I don’t want it to be here.

The Reds have 3B covered, and I have zero confidence in Dusty sticking to his “It’s Frazier’s time” thinking if Rolen is sitting on the bench.

Anyone else think that Rolen will be the Opening Day third baseman if he comes back?

67 thoughts on “Rolen

  1. Very cool to hear about Rolen. Frazier is the starting 3B, Dusty will not play Rolen over Todd, that should not even be talked about. Rolen knows his role is diminished, he makes our bench even better, no question about it. Rolen, Hannahan, Mesoraco, Heisey and X Paul, with J Donald battling with Burriss and Izturis for a roster spot. Makes our team defense betterm especially late in the game. Yes, our roster is tight and our budget is tight, but Scott Rolen makes this 2013 team better. See how he performs during ST, compared to J Donald, then make a decision. Donald has no options, so that is a factor as well. A minor league deal for Scott would be ideal, but I doubt that will happen.

  2. “Anyone else think that Rolen will be the Opening Day third baseman if he comes back?”

    Not even for one second, no.

  3. I think you’re right. I think the organization has tied Dusty’s hands with Frazier and Hannahan. So I don’t see them resigning (or at least going out of their way to resign) Scott Rolen. If they do sign him, I still don’t think he starts opening day. I’m assuming that last sentence was facetious.

  4. If Scott Rolen is on the Cincinnati Reds opening day roster and is healthy and active, he will ABSOLUTELY start at 3rd on opening day. Dusty Baker would never “embarrass” a veteran of Scott Rolen’s stature by benching him. The only way Rolen would sit is if he gave his blessing for Dusty to start Todd there instead.

  5. He won’t be OPening Day but I bet Dusty figures a way to get him 200 AB’s if they sign him

  6. Dusty will obviously do everything in his power to make sure the Reds finish below .500 this year. So yes, he will definitely start Rolen every day if he comes back to the Reds.

  7. I honestly think they closed the door on him when they signed Hannahan. There is no way Rolen is coming back to play a bench role, no way. The scuttlebutt around here (about 30 minutes from his home) was the Reds were still offering him a spot with some special benefits and he was just waiting before saying yes or no.

  8. Rolen, if healthy might actually start opening day but I doubt he’d be the starter. Dusty likes his vets but I think he sees what most of us do; that Frazier is the better player right now. The only situation I see where Dusty would be very tempted to bench Frazier for Rolen would be if Frazier was really struggling.

  9. Personally, I don’t think Rolen could give them even 100 games. I just don’t think the health is there. If I were the Reds, I’d say “Sorry, but we just can’t take you on this year.”

  10. We have to be realistic here. I am as much of a Scott Rolen fan as anyone. I would love to see him play. He has brought a lot to this team. But, the name of the game is winning. And, I doubt seriously he still puts the team in the best position to win the game. Everyone has to bow out sometime. It’s just not time for Rolen here, now. If any team wants to take a chance on him, fine. But, we will be fine.

    I don’t think he wants to, but I think he would make a great coach.

  11. If Rolen is anywhere near this team, I can’t help thinking he is starting. Baker will see to that.

  12. Oh c’mon. You know Dusty will start Rolen if he can make it to the plate in a wheelchair. It is up to Jocketty to continue Dusty-proofing the line-up. This team doesn’t need the “veteran leadership” from Rolen any more, and it doesn’t need a washed-up hitter in the regular line-up, especially at $6.5 mil. You know that even if they say he’s going to be a bench player, Dusty will find someway to Stubb-sidize the line-up by playing Rolen over Frazier. Rolen should have the good grace to retire, or peddle his wares elsewhere, like Japan.

  13. I just don’t see the Reds having any space for Rolen on the roster. The five OF slots are virtual locks (Choo, Bruce, Ludwick, Heisey, XP) as are the four IF starters (Frazier, Cozart, BP, JoeyMVP). Even if you don’t assume Frazier is the starter, and I think he is, Super Todd is going to make the team.

    The Reds will carry two utility IF, at least one of which has to be able to play SS. I suppose the Reds could go with one less pitcher so they could carry three utility IF, but that seems like a remote possibility. Dusty Baker likes his big bullpen quite a lot.

    That leaves one roster spot for Scott Rolen, and he is in direct competition with Jack Hannahan for it.

    The Reds signed Hannahan to a two-year deal worth at least $4 million. Rolen and Hannahan are comparable hitters. Hannahan is reported to be an outstanding 3B. I’m not sure the same can be said of a 38-year old Scott Rolen.

    You’ve got to think the Reds will want to settle this before Spring Training. It would be unseemly to have Rolen join the team but have to win his spot on the roster. Do you just give him that spot and essentially tell Hannahan he’s going to start in Louisville? I don’t see that happening.

    The Reds have really put themselves in a seemingly awkward position. Back in October, I predicted the Reds would seriously consider having Rolen back this year. But with the way the Cleveland deal worked out, I thought they had basically given up on it. Now it appears I’ve been proven right.

    • I thought the same thing, and think it is the right analysis, but I wonder if XP is the one potentially at risk. Hannahan is on the roster and a LH bat. Frazier can play some OF. If they really want to fit Rolen in….

      I just don’t see the Reds having any space for Rolen on the roster. The five OF slots are virtual locks (Choo, Bruce, Ludwick, Heisey, XP) as are the four IF starters (Frazier, Cozart, BP, JoeyMVP). Even if you don’t assume Frazier is the starter, and I think he is, Super Todd is going to make the team.

      The Reds will carry two utility IF, at least one of which has to be able to play SS. I suppose the Reds could go with one less pitcher so they could carry three utility IF, but that seems like a remote possibility. Dusty Baker likes his big bullpen quite a lot.

      That leaves one roster spot for Scott Rolen, and he is in direct competition with Jack Hannahan for it.

      The Reds signed Hannahan to a two-year deal worth at least $4 million. Rolen and Hannahan are comparable hitters. Hannahan is reported to be an outstanding 3B. I’m not sure the same can be said of a 38-year old Scott Rolen.

      You’ve got to think the Reds will want to settle this before Spring Training. It would be unseemly to have Rolen join the team but have to win his spot on the roster. Do you just give him that spot and essentially tell Hannahan he’s going to start in Louisville? I don’t see that happening.

      The Reds have really put themselves in a seemingly awkward position. Back in October, I predicted the Reds would seriously consider having Rolen back this year. But with the way the Cleveland deal worked out, I thought they had basically given up on it. Now it appears I’ve been proven right.

  14. I have one word to say –

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  15. I think the Reds are working very hard to be polite and respectful to Scott Rolen. Sure they want him back because he’s such a great guy, they don’t want him to feel useless, they want him to retire with dignity… but eventually they have to make a decision and they do NOT have a spot for him on the roster.

    Scott Rolen is a free agent until he signs a contract. And they haven’t even been discussing a contract.

  16. This would have been less of an issue had Rolen said that he wanted to return in 2013 in November. The Reds needed to move on, and did – partially because they thought Rolen would retire, and his silence/indecision may have spoken volumes.

    Now he wants to come back – too late. Don’t let him be a distraction.

  17. I expect the Reds will publicly announce an offer to make Scott Rolen a Special Assistant to Walt Jocketty or something with an invitation to spring training as some sort of special instructor. That way they show they’re doing everything they can to keep Rolen in the organization while also showing that they’re moving on with players.

    • I expect the Reds will publicly announce an offer to make Scott Rolen a Special Assistant to Walt Jocketty or something with an invitation to spring training as some sort of special instructor.That way they show they’re doing everything they can to keep Rolen in the organization while also showing that they’re moving on with players.

      Do you just make this stuff up? Consult a ouija board?

      There’s a quote a few posts up from Jocketty saying they might be able to get something worked out. You are going to say that he’s referring to a job in the front office, and that is nuts.

      They might not sign him in the end, but your level of certainty, given past and current information, is simply absurd.

  18. You can’t tell me Scott Rolen wouldn’t be a better option than one or two of the guys they’ve picked up for the bench. And to answer Bill’s question, no, I don’t think Dusty will play him over Frazier… but I do think he’ll play him too often. The big thing is the money. But other than that, I would love to have Rolen back this year.

    As far as the Brett Favre comments, he has never retired because and said he was only going to think about it this offseason. He didn’t announce his retirement, do the farewell tour (twice) then come back. There is no comparison between the two. It upsets me how players go from hero to zero so quickly.

  19. In a vacuum, I’d much rather have Rolen than Hannahan. But I think they are committed to Hannahan. So who goes if they sign Rolen? Can’t be Donald, I don’t because they need a back-up middle infielder. I wouldn’t want it to be Paul. So I don’t see a place for him on the roster even though I think he could serve a purpose (defense, walk%, doubles power) if there was room.

  20. I’m with TC. In the right role, I think Rolen could be very useful to this year’s team. Rolen is an excellent pinch hitter and still a plus defender. Granted, I don’t know enough about Hannahan to make a fair comparison, but I do know there are worse things in baseball than having a Scott Rolen coming off your bench (e.g. having Cairo and/or Valdez on your bench); see above post.

  21. There is no question that Rolen could help the Reds in a utility player/pinch hitter role. He would be exceptional in such a role and combining him with Heisey and XP off the bench would be a lethal combination. With that said, Mr. Baker comes into play. Frazier would certainly begin the season (and that might even be a stretch if he struggles during ST) as the Reds starting 3B, but as soon as Frazier hits a slump of any kind, Mr. Baker will move Rolen from the bench to the starting 3B role and play Rolen just as he did last season. Then there is the $$$ the Reds have already commited to Hannahan. If Rolen signs with the Reds, there’s $4 million shipped out to Louisville and quite frankly I can’t see Rolen agreeing to play in any role for $2 million or less and I also can’t see Rolen agreeing to come back and fill a strict utility role, unless he anticipates Mr. Baker’s actions to insert him back into the starting lineup as soon the the opportunity presents itself.

    • There is no question that Rolen could help the Reds in a utility player/pinch hitter role. He would be exceptional in such a role and combining him with Heisey and XP off the bench would be a lethal combination. With that said, Mr. Baker comes into play. Frazier would certainly begin the season (and that might even be a stretch if he struggles during ST) as the Reds starting 3B, but as soon as Frazier hits a slump of any kind, Mr. Baker will move Rolen from the bench to the starting 3B role and play Rolen just as he did last season. Then there is the $$$ the Reds have already commited to Hannahan. If Rolen signs with the Reds, there’s $4 million shipped out to Louisville and quite frankly I can’t see Rolen agreeing to play in any role for $2 million or less and I also can’t see Rolen agreeing to come back and fill a strict utility role, unless he anticipates Mr. Baker’s actions to insert him back into the starting lineup as soon the the opportunity presents itself.

      This. I also agree that while Rolen will not be the starter if he’s on the roster, he would be the opening day starter. Another factor that makes me in agreement with the above post is that Rolen is a HOF candidate, but not a lock. It would be Dusty’s nature to help ensure Scott’s numbers would make him a lock, if possible. I’m not saying I wouldn’t do some of the same, because it would be hard not to help a guy that has done so much for the team, and baseball itself, like Scott has. Hey, punching LaRussa is worth a few AB’s itself. That would be the danger of having Rolen around.

      I also don’t see him singing for peanuts to sit on a bench if he can get some real money out there. Can’t exactly blame him for that.

  22. Rolen has been a rally killer for most of the last 3 years . combine that with Baker and his preference to start Rolen over Frazier it seems like if Frazier would go into a slump Baker would have a quick trigger and put Rolen in . If you look at game 3 in the playoffs if Baker would have replaced Rolen with Frazier late in the game Frazier would have had a stronger arm to make the play that opened up things for the Giants when Rolen bobbled the grounder and couldn’t get anything on the throw to get the out. Time for Rolen to retire, he simply can’t get the bat around on the fastball anymore and can’t stay heathy

  23. @Hank Aarons Teammate: What kind of deal has Walt Jocketty implied an interest in working out? Has Jocketty implied that there is an opening on the roster for Rolen? Has he implied that there is cash available for an appealing contract? Has he implied that he wants to move Frazier or Hannahan to make room? Has he implied that he’s met with Rolen’s agent and discussed terms? NO! He’s been polite and avoided implying that Rolen is likely to play for the Reds – “I think there’s a chance something gets worked out” – there’s also a chance somebody will win the lottery and a chance Todd Frazier will get injured in a car accident in Arizona, just not much of one.

    A front office job fits the priority of keeping him in the organization. Giving him a roster spot doesn’t fit in with… you know, what they’ve done with the roster.

    @per14: When they signed Jack Hannahan they had a press conference thingy to introduce him. Jocketty advertised that he was a strong defensive thirdbaseman, a team leader, and that a quality lefthanded bat was something they had sought for for a long time. Now he’s a platoon option for Frazier. Are they going to dump him to make room for Scott Rolen? That seems extremely unlikely. Moving the only backup shortstop, Jason Donald, in favor of a 4th corner infielder seems like even more of a longshot.

  24. @Steve Mancuso: I think Steve gets this exactly right. I just can’t figure out how the Reds make room for Rolen on the active roster. He put the club in a terribly difficult position by not making up his mind in a reasonable amount of time and they had to move forward which they have done quite well.

    I don’t trust Dusty to handle a Rolen/Frazier situation properly, but I also know that keeping JoeyMVP and Jay Bruce happy is a good thing too – and they both seem to adore Rolen. Therefore, I’m hopeful the club and Rolen can work something out that would be similar to the situation descirbed by redsfanman.

  25. Actually, as far as the chance of Rolen returning, I think that completely depends on the health of Todd Frazier and Jack Hannahan. At this point I’m expecting Scott Rolen to be a non-roster invitee to spring training to offer his veteran leadership in Arizona. If Frazier or Hannahan get injured a job will open up and they can work out terms on a contract. Maybe his shoulder will act up and make him decide to retire. If a job doesn’t open up he can be forced to retire and pressured into a job in the Reds’ front office.

    Telling Rolen that he flat out can’t come to spring training even if he wants to, I’m not sure that helps the Reds. He’d be a better fall-back plan than Henry Rodriguez, in my opinion. I definitely wouldn’t offer him a major league contract if Frazier and Hannahan are available, though.

  26. One more thought – I do feel bad for Rolen that the final lasting memory of his tenure with the team for me (and I would guess many other fans) will be booting that ball at the end of game three costing the Reds the NLDS. Now, I know that’s a gross overstatment, but whenever I think of Rolen that’s the first thing that pops into my mind. Maybe some time and distance will soften that memory a bit.

  27. @redsfanman: This is ridiculous. I mean, I suppose anything’s possible, but Rolen’s coming to ST as a non-roster invitee with the only chance of making a roster being an injury to Hannahan or Frazier? The Reds are going to bring him in in that capacity, and then just say “sorry” to *Scott Rolen* if there’s no injury?

  28. My concern isn’t as much as Rolen coming back. My concern is, if he comes back, something else has to happen.

    As far as Rolen coaching, Rolen has stated he doesn’t want to coach. As far as injuries to Frazier and Hannahan, I would think Scott has enough of a problem with his own injuries rather than waiting on Frazier and Hannahan getting injured.

    I hope Rolen reconsiders coaching. I do think he would make a good coach or manager. But, the person has to want to do it.

  29. @Hank Aarons Teammate: What is ridiculous, offering Rolen a chance to come to spring training as a non-roster invitee or offering him a major league contract and a roster spot? Cesar Izturis and Derrick Robinson, for example, are coming to spring training with the only chances of making the roster being through injuries to Jason Donald and Xavier Paul/Chris Heisey, respectively. Rolen wouldn’t only be a non-roster invitee, he’d also continue as a positive influence in the clubhouse in spring training while working with the younger guys as he continues to feel like part of the organization.

    If Frazier, Hannahan, and Rolen all report to spring training they’ll find that there are only two spots. Which one do we expect to get injured in the spring? I think everyone would point at Rolen as the top candidate for an injury. If there’s no spot available for Rolen they can offer him a spot in the front office.

    @steveschoen: Yep, Rolen would have to want to coach. He’d have to want to stay as part of the organization. In my opinion cutting all ties with him (you are NOT invited to spring training, you’re too old and worthless to be considered for a roster spot!) isn’t the way to get that done. Otherwise he might be more inclined to pursue jobs with other teams some day, particularly the Cardinals.

    • What is ridiculous, offering Rolen a chance to come to spring training as a non-roster invitee or

      That is highly ridiculous… you don’t think that would be a complete sign of disrespect to Scott Rolen? Nothing says “you are an marginal talent” or “coming off of injury as an unknown” than the non-roster invite. It’s essentially saying “We’d like to neuter your career, but please feel free to be a mentor and our back up plan, in case it doesn’t work out with the new guy.”

      You don’t do that to a guy that is worthy of HOF consideration. You know what Cesar Izturis and Derrick Robinson have in common? They aren’t Scott Rolen.

      It would not be ridiculous to offer Rolen a contract because, in theory, the organization ought to be able to sit down and say “This is why or why not we should do this, and how we can implement it if we want to.”

    • Yep, Rolen would have to want to coach. He’d have to want to stay as part of the organization. In my opinion cutting all ties with him (you are NOT invited to spring training, you’re too old and worthless to be considered for a roster spot!) isn’t the way to get that done.

      That is exactly what being a non-roster invite means in this case…. you are too old and worthless. I’m not sure how you can spin that another way.

    • Yep, Rolen would have to want to coach.He’d have to want to stay as part of the organization.In my opinion cutting all ties with him (you are NOT invited to spring training, you’re too old and worthless to be considered for a roster spot!) isn’t the way to get that done.Otherwise he might be more inclined to pursue jobs with other teams some day, particularly the Cardinals.

      I don’t think you’d be telling Rolen he’s “too old and worthless…” What you’re telling him, hopefully in a respectful way, man to man — and you know that Walt likes Rolen and wouldn’t want to embarrass him — but you’re telling him that the team didn’t know whether he was coming back so they made other plans. If Rolen wants to go to the Cardinals or anywhere else, so be it.

      And yes, I agree with Bill and others in thinking that Dusty would find plenty of ABs for Rolen, no matter how poorly he does. Heck, look at how much time Valdez kept getting. And I’d rather not have Frazier looking over his shoulder all season.

  30. @Matt WI: If Scott Rolen was still playing like a Hall of Fame caliber player he probably wouldn’t be considering retirement as an option. Instead he’s hoping to get a role on a bench with a team that has already committed to Todd Frazier as the starting thirdbaseman. If Scott Rolen won’t accept the non-roster invitation, too bad.

    What do Scott Rolen, Cesar Izturis, and Derrick Robinson all have in common? They’re all competing for a job that isn’t available. If Rolen doesn’t want to admit that his career has sunk to that point he should retire.

    • If Scott Rolen was still playing like a Hall of Fame caliber player he probably wouldn’t be considering retirement as an option.

      I didn’t suggest he was playing at HOF level currently. I suggested he’s worthy of that kind of consideration for his career. Thus, one often doesn’t dishonor such a career with such an insulting offer as a non-roster invite. I think Walt would have a hard time looking at himself in the mirror the day he made that kind of offer.

      There are plenty of good baseball reasons why the Reds would or would not make room for him. It isn’t necessary to invent anything beyond that as a way to approach the issue.

  31. @redsfanman: What’s ridiculous is basically every comment you’ve made about the Rolen situation.

    I find it almost impossible to believe that the Reds are going to insult Scott Rolen by offering him a non-roster invite. I do not think Rolen should be on the team this year, just to be clear.

    I think it’s also ridiculous that you think there is basically zero chance that he’s going to be signed to a contract, given Jocketty’s statements, which you are spinning in an almost unreal way.

    I think it’s ridiculous that you are comparing Itzuris to Rolen.

    I think it’s ridiculous that you think it’s somehow way better for the organization to offer Rolen a non-roster invite than to say that there simply is no spot. To me, a non-roster invite for a guy who’s a future HOF player, and a guy who wasn’t terrible last year (overall, anyways), is an incredible insult. It’s saying that you don’t want him, but we’ll throw you a bone. It’s like the car mechanic, taking his 90 year old father who used to run the shop but no longer really can do anything and telling him to work on the totaled cars behind the building.

  32. @Hank Aarons Teammate: I find it almost impossible to believe that the Reds are going to move Todd Frazier or Jack Hannahan to make room for Rolen because he had a Hall of Fame caliber career. Key word, HAD.

    Nowhere has Jocketty implied that they are considering offering him a guaranteed major league contract, Jocketty keeps implying that they’d be open to ‘bringing him back’ in some way. Read it how you want. You can read that as Frazier’s out, Rolen in or that they want to keep Rolen in the organization.

    Why is it ridiculous comparing Izturis to Rolen?

    To you a non-roster invite is an incredible insult. To me it’s an opportunity to invite the guy to spring training to see what he can do, and to postpone a final decision on a major league contract (no sense in offering a minor league contract, he’ll probably retire rather than go to AAA). The situation could easily be sorted out by an injury to Rolen, Frazier, or Hannahan. It’s like saying that the Reds will consider giving Rolen a roster spot if such a spot opens up, but either way they’re committed to keeping him in the organization in some respect. Let him know that getting cut for the 25 man roster would be the path to a job in the front office, if he wants it, rather than compelling him to work for a rival team like the Cardinals.

    We’ll just have to wait and see. I think I’ve made my opinion pretty clear, I think they’ll invite him to spring training so he can work out with the young players before trying to get him to accept a job in the front office. A major league contract seems unrealistic.

  33. I think Scott Rolen is the only one to blame for his situation. If he wanted to play, he should have let the team know. They couldn’t sit around and make plans for this season contingent on assuming he’d decide to play.

    As to Rolen being a HOFer…maybe. I don’t see it myself…one top 10 MVP, one major award (ROY), 8 GG, 1 Silver Slugger, 7 All Star teams…Baseball References measuring stick has him close, but not a sure thing…

  34. @Bill Lack: I really think calling Rolen “terrible” since ’10 is a bit extreme. One thing I like about this blog is that drastic and obtusely opinionated terms like that are rarely thrown around form the posters… A bit disappointing RLN. I never see that from Chad Dotson or Steve Mancuso.

    Regardless, I think calling it a terrible move is extremely dramatic. Rolen will NOT be the opening day 3rd baseman if he is on the Reds, even Dusty has said that. If Rolen is willing to accept a bench role, having him is not the worst decision we could make. His presence in the clubhouse and leadership mentality alone makes him an asset. Not to mention being FAR more serviceable than the infield bench we had last year. Now whether there is room for him or not with signing Hannahan.. that is a different question.

  35. What I find insulting is that proximity to Indiana seems to be his first and only consideration. As in—the situation has to be tailor-made for him otherwise it’s just too inconvenient to play.

    It just doesn’t seem like he’s in the right frame of mind to give 100% to the team. That would trouble me as a teammate, executive, or fan.

    • @Bill Lack: He may want to play this year just to avoid the side-by-side comparisons to Chipper in 2018.

      Very nice point. That could very well be in play here.
      If he were to make the HOF, I certainly would like to see him inducted with a hat that has a big “C” on the front of it instead of a “P” or “StL”.
      If Rolen is on the roster on Opening Day, will he be the starting 3B??? I think the only telling matter on that would be the pitching matchup. We know how Dusty uses the pitching matchups to decide his lineups. So who will the Angels name as their Opening Day starter?? Weaver?? Wilson?? Vargas?? Hanson?? My guess is it’ll be Weaver. So what is the history of Rolen vs. Weaver and Frazier vs. Weaver?? I don’t know if Frazier has a history. And Rolen more than likely does from interleague play and his short time in Toronto.
      I think this will come into play, IF Rolen is on the roster on Opening Day.

  36. @redsfanman: Now you are less certain, which was my primary beef with all of your posts on the subject. They are just like your posts on how the Reds always value defense—certain of things that are inherently uncertain.

  37. @Matt WI: At this rate I think his HOF credentials and reputation are the only reason why Rolen would deserve an invitation to spring training. I don’t think Jocketty can dump Frazier or Hannahan in favor of making Rolen happy if he wants to put the best team on the field in 2013.

    @Hank Aarons Teammate: Wait, less certain about what? I’ve been certain ever since Jack Hannahan signed (and the related press conference) that Frazier and Hannahan would be on the Reds… and Rolen was out. I still say that Rolen’s only way onto the Reds roster is through an injury to Frazier or Hannahan.

    The Reds do value defense. Jocketty stressed at Hannahan’s press conference that Hannahan has a good glove, which is one of Rolen’s biggest strengths.

    @WVRedlegs: In my opinion the opening day starter at third will depend on whether they’re facing a lefty or righty. Hannahan might be in if they face a RHP as part of a lefty-righty platoon.

  38. @Sultan of Swaff: He can also come to spring training as a non-roster invitee and keep in shape. If an opportunity opens up (particularly an injury to Frazier or Hannahan) he can come out of retirement. It’s a long shot but still seems more reasonable than Frazier or Hannahan getting dumped to make room for him on opening day.

  39. @WVRedlegs: It’s hard to imagine him in anything but an “StL”. It would be hilarious if he chose to go in as a Philly, though. The fans there boo him mercilessly (even by Philadelphia standards).

  40. First of all, I believe that Rolen is a lock for the HOF. That being said, where does everyone come up with this “Scott Rolen is great guy and an amazing leader” crap? Isn’t it just as likely that he is a whiny and arrogant prick who has been run out of every town he has played in? He has done absolutely NOTHING as a Red to warrant any sort of loyalty from this organization unless you count becoming one of only two players in history to end a playoff series by striking out (A-Rod is the other in case you were wondering). I remember Carson Palmer was a great guy right up until the day he wasn’t anymore.

    • First of all, I believe that Rolen is a lock for the HOF. That being said, where does everyone come up with this “Scott Rolen is great guy and an amazing leader” crap? Isn’t it just as likely that he is a whiny and arrogant prick who has been run out of every town he has played in? He has done absolutely NOTHING as a Red to warrant any sort of loyalty from this organization unless you count becoming one of only two players in history to end a playoff series by striking out (A-Rod is the other in case you were wondering). I remember Carson Palmer was a great guy right up until the day he wasn’t anymore.

      Where does everyone come up with this “Scott Rolen is a great guy and an amazing leader” stuff? Ask Joey Votto.

  41. @athensRed:

    LOL. That is like comparing apples to watermelons. Carson Palmer wanted out of Cincinnati in the worst way and burned more bridges than General Sherman did marching through the South in to Atlanta.
    Scott Rolen wants to stay and play in Cincinnati.

  42. @athensRed: Lots of quotes from players and management about him. You might argue the value of leadership, but it’s pretty well a fact he is regarded as one by the people that he interacts with.

  43. @athensRed: Also, Scott Rolen wasn’t “run out of every town he has played in”. He requested a trade from Philadelphia when he said the team wasn’t serious about winning (which is why they hate him there). He left Toronto to come to the Cincinnati when Walt Jocketty worked hard to acquire him, trading Edwin Encarnacion and Zach Stewart in a somewhat controversial deal that many Reds fans considered to be drastically overpaying. He wasn’t run out of Toronto, the Reds made it worth their while to give him up.

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