2013 Reds

Reds avoid arbitration with Heisey and Simon

The Reds announced that they have avoided arbitration with Chris Heisey and Alfredo Simon.

Both agreed to one year deals.

Heisey agreed to a one year $1.325M contact (the Reds had offered 1.05, he’d filed for 1.65).

Details of Simon’s deal were not announced.

The Reds currently still have 4 arbitration eligible players (Choo, Bailey, Latos, and Leake).

Let’s hope they can avoid arbitration with all their players.

14 thoughts on “Reds avoid arbitration with Heisey and Simon

  1. That’s 3 down and 4 to go. I think Leake & the Reds will split the difference. I think Bailey and the Reds will split the difference or Bailey will sign an extention. Ditto with Latos, especially since there isn’t a large gap in the two numbers presented. My gut tells me that Boras is feeling the pain from not being able to get the big contracts for his clients this offseason and will play hardball, forcing the Reds to an arbitration hearing on Choo. I also think the Reds can win at arbitration on Choo.

    Headley 2012 .273/.351/.498 dWAR 0.0 $8.6MM for 2013
    Murphy 2012 .304/.380/.479 dWAR -0.1 $5.8MM for 2013
    Choo 2012 .283/.373/.441 dWAR -1.9 $8.0MM or $6.8MM for 2013

    I think Choo comes up short in a comparison either Headley or Murphy. The $6.75MM offered by the Reds looks much more realistic than the $8.00MM demanded by Boras.

  2. @Shchi Cossack: Since the Reds see Shin-Shoo Choo as a one year stop-gap solution in the outfield I think they’d be far more willing to go to arbitration with him than anybody else. Guys like Bailey and Latos they intent to build around and they don’t want to alienate them. If they go to arbitration with Choo it’s not the end of the world.

    During an arbitration case I don’t think it’d just be a matter of Choo’s numbers, but he can use the argument that he has been a very successful leadoff hitter and a very tough out. I don’t think that comparing him to a middle of the order hitter like Headley is appropriate because middle of the order hitters are so much easier to find.

  3. Glad to have both these guys on the team. Simon may have been the most underrated player on team last year considering they got him for a song and pitched very well out of the pen. And I really like Heisey as it seems he is willing to do anything the team needs to win and usually provides a spark off the bench.

  4. @gosport474: I was at Simon’s debut, where he gave up a solo homerun to the first batter before striking out the side. That debut really summarized his year for me. He was claimed off the scrap heap and surprised almost everyone by doing really well, much like how he spent weeks after the solo homerun proving that such things wouldn’t be common occurrences with him on the mound. Simon was a great pickup and I’m glad they brought him back for cheap.

    It will be interesting to see if Heisey gets more opportunities as a defensive replacement this year, and if so, where? Maybe Ludwick will leave games early with Choo shifting to LF. Interesting situation for Dusty to manage.

  5. @redsfanman: You and I agree on the Reds’ willingness to risk arbitration with Choo for the reasons you stated and on Choo’s value. I just don’t think an arbitration panel will necessarily have the same viewpoint regarding Choo’s value, although I’m sure Boras will try to educate them in that regard. Did you see the little snipet by Ben Nicholson-Smith paraphrasing Alex Anthopoulos’ thoughts regarding the arbitration process?

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/01/details-on-arbitration-process.html

    It seems the arbitrators are not as privy to the nuances of baseball as we might think.

  6. If the Reds sign Bailey and Latos to extensions, and Chapman is moved to the Rotation, what do the Reds do with Bronson Arroyo after 2013 season???? If Arroyo pitches like he did last year, will Arroyo be a Red past 2013. If Leake is pitching well and Cingrani is pitching well, will Arroyo be a Red past July 31??
    We haven’t discussed Arroyo hardly at all this winter, but the Reds will have to make a big decision on him sometime this year. He has been a very loyal Red. Do the Reds show that loyalty back to him this year??

    • Bailey and Latos to extensions, and Chapman is moved to the Rotation, what do the Reds do with Bronson Arroyo after 2013 season???? If Arroyo pitches like he did last year, will Arroyo be a Red past 2013. If Leake is pitching well and Cingrani is pitching well, will Arroyo be a Red past July 31??
      We haven’t discussed Arroyo hardly at all this winter, but the Reds will have to make a big decision on him sometime this year. He has been a very loyal Red. Do the Reds show that loyalty back to him this year??

      Very good question. It’s something like Rolen’s situation. I don’t Arroyo coming back, at least not at that price. And, it is a bit obvious, he has lost a little bit the last couple of seasons.

    • @WVRedlegs:

      If Leake is pitching well and Cingrani is pitching well, will Arroyo be a Red past July 31??

      I think only one thing could make Arroyo NOT a Red past July 31st and that’s a HUGE year increase in attendance, so they felt they could pay all that deferred money now. I seriously doubt that the attendance could increase that much.

  7. @per14: I meant the question is more along the lines of who gets removed from a game for a defensive replacement, Ludwick or Choo? Heisey frequently replaced Ludwick late in games in 2012. Whether Choo gets pulled or shifted to LF late in games will be an interesting question… not whether or not Heisey will enter.

    @Shchi Cossack: At least I think Scott Boras can make a good case about Choo needing to be appreciated as a rare player. Whether or not it’d work, who knows.

    @WVRedlegs: First off, I still doubt Chapman will move to the rotation. Even their statements on the Reds Caravan made it seem less likely than ever.

    As far as Arroyo, what we know for sure is that Bronson Arroyo will remain with the Reds throughout 2013, trading him away isn’t an option (both due to 10-5 veto rights and the design of his contract and the deferred money) so he’ll finish the season with the Reds. I think the Reds can then take a look at where they are and make a decision next winter. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him extended, but I also wouldn’t be surprised to see him leave as a free agent. It depends on other guys around him – can Cueto and Bailey stay healthy? Can Leake, Cingrani, Corcino, and/or Robert Stephenson do well? What does the future hold for Chapman? All are important questions that Arroyo has no control over.

  8. @WVRedlegs: I am a huge Bronson Arroyo fan. I credit Arroyo with providing the stablizing force to the pitching staff that lead to the Reds’ current success. He has never been top-of-the-order pitcher, but he was a solid #3 major league starter on staffs of marginal AAA starters pitching in the major leagues and he did it with class and poise. Arroyo has a few more seasons in his tank, but unfortunately, his time with the Reds will end after 2013. The Reds’ have serious pitching talent that should be major league ready by 2014 and the starting pitching staff will probably be fully staffed even without any additions from the minor league talent. I just don’t think the budget is there to resign Arroyo. The real question will be if Arroyo has a superb season in 2013, should the Reds make him a qualifying offer after the season?

  9. I’d pull Ludwick and put Choo in LF becuase Choo is actually competent in LF, and overall, he’s a better hitter than Ludwick. But obviously it will often depend on what makes sense for a double switch as well.

  10. I’d like to see some continuity with the Reds rotation. Arroyo is a free agent after 2013. Cueto and Bailey are free agents after 2014. Latos after 2015. Chapman has a mutual option for 2015 and could possibly leave before 2015 season. Thats a lot of turnover for a starting rotation, even if the Reds have a bevy of top prospects rising through the ranks of the minors. This is why, I think, it is important to get extensions for Bailey and Latos done this winter. Might not be able to afford both Cueto and Chapman contract extensions next winter.

  11. Now Leake is in the fold too. Just the three hard arbs left but time remains to get them resolved.

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