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16 thoughts on “Seven Reds file for arbitration

  1. I really hope that WJ can lock up Bailey &/or Latos to contracts that buy out the remainder of their arbitration years (Bailey thru 2014 & Latos thru 2015) plus a couple of years of FA. If not now, then I’m afraid the cost of such a contract will become prohibitively expensive after another solid performance in 2013. Cueto will become top shelf expensive for his next contract and will almost certainly be gone after the 2015 season.

    The good news is the Reds have three seasons of a consistent, solid starting rotation to look forward to before before having to rely on the next generation of starting pitchers to esablish themselves at the major league level.

    For this year’s arbitration eligibles:
    Choo ~$8MM
    Bailey ~$5MM
    Latos ~$4.5MM
    Leake ~$3MM
    Heisey ~$1.5MM
    Ondrusek ~$1MM
    Simon ~$1MM

  2. This is an unpopular position here, but I still don’t get that solid feeling with Bailey. He did seem to figure things out last year, but he was also prone to blow up from time to time. Latos, however, is worth what it will take to lock him up for 4 years. (Plus I’d throw in an extra million to shut his wife up on Twitter. She’s an embarrassment to the organization.)

  3. With the Rangers Harrison signing extention, looks like a benchmark(5yr/$55M) contract for Latos.

    TC – i agree with you, even though I am a big fan for Homer to succeed, I think Bailey needs to prove it another year that he has made the “next step” from a 4/5 rotation guy to a solid 3 or better. Hope Homer has a big year and make me regret that thought. LOL.

    Go 2013 Reds!

    • With the Rangers Harrison signing extention, looks like a benchmark(5yr/$55M) contract for Latos.

      Painful, but if that’s what it takes. Of course they’d miff Cueto in the process.

  4. @TC: I agree whole-heartedly regarding Bailey’s lack of established consistency and superior performance. That’s why I would like him locked up now, while that lack of established consistency factors into the contract and reduces the cost with the offsetting risk. I do believe Bailey turned that corner last season, but only time will tell for sure. I think Latos turned a big corner last season too with his maturity on the mound. Less than 4 weeks until pitchers & catchers report!

  5. Latos will get less than Harrison. Harrison is a lefty and is in an organization that has seen their better SP (Wilson, Lee) get snatched by other teams in the recent years.

  6. When I saw that the Yanks re-signed Phil Hughes for 1 year at $7.15MM, and now the Rangers-Harrison deal, probably has set the market higher for Latos and Bailey. If you can only sign one of those two this year, I go after signing and locking up Bailey first. He is one year ahead of Latos, free agent-wise. A 4 year, $36MM-40MM deal seems fair. However, pricey for a #4 starter, but a #4 starter with #1 or #2 stuff.

  7. The players (agents, really) have caught on to the future high revenues for the teams. The smart teams signed their players to lt contracts last year. The dumb teams are paying tomorrow’s prices today.

    Is anyone else having a problem with the quote/reply function? Is it an iPad thing?

    • @seat101:

      The players (agents, really) have caught on to the future high revenues for the teams. The smart teams signed their players to lt contracts last year. The dumb teams are paying tomorrow’s prices today.

      Is anyone else having a problem with the quote/reply function? Is it an iPad thing?

      Seems to be working for me, Seat, but this is a pc.

  8. May be I’m confused….last season, which pitcher struck out ten and allowed one hit in the playoff game and which one had the emotional meltdown in the last game?

    Doppelganger

    • May be I’m confused….last season, which pitcher struck out ten and allowed one hit in the playoff game and which one had the emotional meltdown in the last game?

      Doppelganger

      This reflects my thinking to a large degree. I believe Latos may be more valuable in the immediate term for 2013 but for now Bailey is the more valuable overall.

      My thinking is that Bailey arrived on the scene much like Latos as a #1+ on stuff, basically a thrower; but, due to injury and maturity problems he nearly flamed out. Over the last season and a half Bailey has reemerged as an increasing effective pitcher verus a thrower but still with #2+/1- stuff. Latos on the other hand has accomplished more as primarily a thrower but we have yet to see him go through the transition to being a true pitcher. We don’t know what he will be if or when he reaches the other side so to speak.

      So, while any pitcher is one pitch away from a career altering or ending injury for now, Bailey would appear to be a more known quantity over the next 3-4 year than would Latos.

      By all means, if both can be signed to multi year deals now, get it done. If finances dictate doing the deal with one now and going after the other next year, get Bailey signed first.

  9. @rfay00:

    I think Latos would get something close to that. Latos is more power arm, 2 years younger and has stats comparable, in terms of WAR and ERA+ over same amount of innings. It will be interesting what the numbers end up if Walt J is able to get Latos on an extention.

    On another note, with the speculated arbitration numbers, seems like Reds payroll for 2013 will break $100M, hopefully paying off with a world series.

    Go 2013 Reds!

  10. In other news, they announced the World Baseball Classic roster. Brandon Phillips is on the US team and Joey Votto isn’t playing. Fine with me!

    • In other news, they announced the World Baseball Classic roster.Brandon Phillips is on the US team and Joey Votto isn’t playing.Fine with me!

      Word is that the Canadians held a spot open for Votto. I read elsewhere (SI.com) and Fay confirms that Votto has to pass a physical before being cleared to play for Canada. The article on SI termed it an “insurance physical”. I presume this means the Canadian organization is responsible for insuring him as a player for them.

      Cueto apparently is also on the Dominican roster “disabled list” and could be activated if he is determined to be healthy and wants to play.

  11. @OhioJim:
    Not sure how you get to the point that Homer is the more known quantity. Regardless the method of Latos success (thrower vs pitcher), he has been a successful starting pitcher for 3 full seasons, you just can’t discount that in comparison to Bailey. Add in Latos is about 18 months younger, with very little injury history, and seems to have the better power arm, that leads me to believe Latos is the 1st to target, and thats with me being a pro-Homer guy, I cringed at some of the Bailey trade rumors in last offseason. Granted the finances may lead Walt/Reds to switch to Homer instead. Hopefully, Walt/Reds can get them both signed or if both go one-year, then they both have excellent seasons to make it a hard choice.

    So given this discussion, at what point are the Reds tapped out in handing out contract extentions and start trading/letting guys walk? Reds already have $70M committed to 2014 for 8 players. Is the new MLB TV money enough to cover payroll increases since Reds TV deal is locked thru the 2015 season?

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