2013 Reds

Believing in Ludwick

Ryan Ludwick appears to have signed a two-year extension worth $15M. We don’t know all the details yet, but I will say that seems reasonable to me.

Let the record show that I was very anti-Ludwick when the Reds signed him. I did not buy the “San Diego screwed me up” excuse. It looked to me like he was a player in rapid decline. But 2012 was a good year, and it has to make you wonder, so I went back and looked at some numbers.

Now, if I showed you the following list of WAR numbers, what would you think?

2.1, 5.6, 2.4, 2.1, 2.8

That looks like an above average player with one crazy season, right? Now, what about this set:

2.1, 5.6, 2.4, 1.9, 0.3, 2.8

Different, huh? Now we’ve got a player who’s all over the map, but the general trend is in the wrong direction. So what’s the difference? San Diego (and a few games in a Pittsburgh immediately after San Diego). In fact, if you look at the splits, Ludwick’s San Diego numbers are WAY out of line with his career totals. Especially in RF. Ludwick isn’t an opposite field hitter, but he does hit enough balls out there that a .136 BA on balls hit to right is going to make him look terrible. That’s what he did in 2011.

So, I’m forced to conclude that Ludwick really might have been especially poorly suited to San Diego. We know this kind of thing happens, but you have to really look at an individual player if you’re going to find it.

I could, of course, be totally wrong, but it seems to me that we should expect Ludwick  to be average to slightly above average. I doubt he’ll hit with quite as much power as 2012, but playing half his games in GABP won’t hurt.

This is not a bad deal for the Reds.

71 thoughts on “Believing in Ludwick

  1. Ludwick finally developed his stroke to launch pitches into the right field upper deck. He will continue to do that in 2013, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see a drop in average and increase in K’s.

    Good signing though. It gives the Reds two more years to develop a potential LF or the future.

  2. This is a great deal for the Reds & for Ludwick. I’m sure Ludwick left some $$$ on the table in signing with the Reds, but the mutual option for the 3rd year provides some balance to that decision. With Ludwick in the 4 hole on opening day & Votto’s legs healthy & strong, I expect more production from the 3-6 slots. I also expect Votto & Ludwick to hit 20-30 HR for the year. In fact I can see at least 25 HR & 80 RBI from all 4 of the 3-6 slots. If the top of the order gets straightened out, then 100+ RBI from each of the 3-6 slots isn’t out of the question. How long before pitchers and catchers report?

  3. Yes, this looks like a very fair deal for everyone, and I’m glad we’ll see Ludwick back. I was getting worried that we would go into next season with a huge question mark there, after having had excellent performance there in 2012.

  4. He gave up 3 million dollars (2 yr, 18 million dollar contract) to come back to the Reds. That makes him one of my favorite Reds players at the moment, regardless of how this turns out.

    • @rhayex: Who offered him 2 for 18?

      They won’t say for sure but my guess is the Seattle Mariners. They haven rumored to be bidding on pretty much every hitter available, and it’s an unappealing environment (a bad team and a bad place for him to hit).

      It will be interesting to see how Ludwick starts the 2013 season. He started off slowly in 2012 (which seems to be largely forgotten), likely because of changes to his swing made to adapt to hitting in San Diego.

      April 2012: .190 average/.266 OBP
      May: .224/.321
      June: .253/.326
      July: .333/.383
      August: .327/.394
      September: .302/.387
      His batting average wasn’t consistently over .220 until mid-June. Hopefully in 2013 and 2014 he can skip over those early season struggles and jump right to the .300+ batting average.

      Any bets yet on who leads the 2013 Reds in homeruns? Jay Bruce, Joey Votto, Ryan Ludwick, or somebody else? Ludwick and Votto both have 37 homerun seasons but I’d bet on Jay Bruce.

      • They won’t say for sure (on who outbid the Reds for Kudwick) but my guess is the Seattle Mariners.They haven rumored to be bidding on pretty much every hitter available, and it’s an unappealing environment (a bad team and a bad place for him to hit).

        Any bets yet on who leads the 2013 Reds in homeruns?Jay Bruce, Joey Votto, Ryan Ludwick, or somebody else?Ludwick and Votto both have 37 homerun seasons but I’d bet on Jay Bruce.

        redsfanman: Seems like the Mariners are a good guess, they just signed Jason Bay.

        Who will lead the Reds in HRs in 2013 ? If Votto and Bruce stay healthy, I expect about 35 HRs for each. But Jay might even hit 40, so I’ll go with him for HRs. I do expect Votto to have a monster 2013 – Ted Williams numbers – he’s not happy about 2012.

        • redsfanman: Seems like the Mariners are a good guess, they just signed Jason Bay.

          Who will lead the Reds in HRs in 2013 ? If Votto and Bruce stay healthy, I expect about 35 HRs for each. But Jay might even hit 40, so I’ll go with him for HRs. I do expect Votto to have a monster 2013 – Ted Williams numbers – he’s not happy about 2012.

          When’s the last time someone had a .500+ OBP? Barry Bonds in 2004? Because that’s what’s going to happen if Votto doesn’t get a true leadoff hitter ahead of him. A LOT of 2 outs bases empty walks.

        • redsfanman: Seems like the Mariners are a good guess, they just signed Jason Bay.

          The Mariners were rumored all along to be pursuing Ryan Ludwick – they definitely were doing so – it’s just a question of whether or not they were the mystery team who made him a contract offer for $3m. MLBTR reported that the Giants may have made him an offer. The Mets and Braves were also mentioned.

      • Any bets yet on who leads the 2013 Reds in homeruns? Jay Bruce, Joey Votto, Ryan Ludwick, or somebody else? Ludwick and Votto both have 37 homerun seasons but I’d bet on Jay Bruce.

        My money’s on Super Todd Frazier.

  5. This is a good move for the Reds if they can get something out of the lead off and #2 hitter. If they use Cozart at 2 and Phillips at 1, then they may get something, but they still do not have the base stealer leading off. If and when Hamilton makes it to Cincy, that problem would be solved, but when will he make it. I am not sure he will be ready this coming season as he has experience in AA and did not really hit that well. As for who will be the LF in two years, there are actually candidates in the minors. Perhaps Lutz could play there? It is two years down the road and we, hopefully, do not have to answer that question this year.

  6. Sounds like it’s time for Bruce to listen to some John Fogerty.

    Choo RF
    Phillips 2B
    Votto 1B
    Ludwick LF
    Bruce CF
    Frazier 3B
    Cozart SS
    Hanigan C
    — P

    Sounds awfully nice…

    • Sounds like it’s time for Bruce to listen to some John Fogerty.

      Choo RF
      Phillips 2B
      Votto 1B
      Ludwick LF
      Bruce CF
      Frazier 3B
      Cozart SS
      Hanigan C
      — P

      Sounds awfully nice…

      Ok, so Hanigan is not Bench, but this team is starting to remind me more and more of the Big Red Machine. Regardless, if the Reds get a good leadoff guy 1-6,8 will be impressive. And if Cozart can start hitting like he has done everywhere he’s been, there will be no soft spots in that lines. Especially when Leake is pitching.

    • Bruce barring injury or year long slump. No question.

      Even if Votto is healthy? Gotta wonder how much longer Bruce’s annual homerun totals can keep going up.

      • Even if Votto is healthy?Gotta wonder how much longer Bruce’s annual homerun totals can keep going up.

        I feel like Bruce is still maturing into his body. Last year he cut off a lot of the baby fat, got leaner. I’d like to think this year he comes back with a bit more muscle. I’m hoping this is the year that Bruce finally breaks the 40 HR barrier. 40 doubles and 40 HR in 2013 would help Bruce get into that MVP talk a littler higher than 10th.

  7. Another interesting note in the news: Drew Stubbs is experimenting with a shorter stride modeled after Austin Jackson of the Tigers. He’s working on it in the offseason with the Reds’ minor league hitting coordinator (Ronnie Ortegon), who lives near him in Texas. Austin Jackson also strikes out a lot but maybe this is the new approach to hitting that some of us have wanted for Stubbs has he moves on from his 2012 season. Good luck to Stubbs on pulling off a great 2013 season, whether or not he returns to the Reds.

  8. Like i said, they were sitting on the announcement until Redsfest…….not the first time they’ve done this move.

    Great signing. I can’t believe it only took 2 years and less than $20million. I mean, think about it–would you want to be on the hook with Pagan for 4/40 or Ludwick for 2/15? No brainer IMO.

    @ToddAlmighty: I like your idea of putting Bruce in center…..at least until Hamilton is ready. Guys, I’m telling ya, that could be as soon as June.

    Now let’s get something done with Bailey and Latos!!

  9. Jay Bruce, over the past two seasons his batting average and OBP have dropped around 30 points but his homeruns have increased from 25 to 34. It’ll be interesting to see which trends he keeps up. I’m hoping he settles for 35 homeruns but turns around his sliding average and OBP. There’s more to being an MVP than stockpiling homerun totals during hot streaks and winning an occasional Player of the Week.

    • Jay Bruce, over the past two seasons his batting average and OBP have dropped around 30 points but his homeruns have increased from 25 to 34.It’ll be interesting to see which trends he keeps up.I’m hoping he settles for 35 homeruns but turns around his sliding average and OBP.There’s more to being an MVP than stockpiling homerun totals during hot streaks and winning an occasional Player of the Week.

      redsfaman: Whenever Jay talks about getting better, he talks about being a hitter and not a slugger, staying back on the ball, etc. When he’s hot his mechanics are great, he hits doubles and HRs to all fields. When his swing is off, rather than accepting the inevitable occasional power outage and settling for hitting for average and OBP, he gets anxious and pulls off of everything, swings at pitches way out of the strike zone, etc. He’s aware of this but fixing it has been tough for him.

      I still think he can hit for average (about .280) and even more power (40 HRs).

  10. I was very against Ludwick coming back, but at 2/15? That’s damn near impossible to be too upset at. Even if he spirals out of control, you can handle that for two years. And you’d still be able to unload him with that price tag if need be.

    I agree that Hamilton is going to be ready before people think. I always go back to that Jocketty quote on how you’re seeing guys be successful with their jump from AA to the majors, and how this might be the same situation. It’ll all depend on trades and signings. If Bourn signs a one year deal at 15 million, which he won’t get from the Reds, but we’ll pretend it might, maybe you keep Billy down a little longer. We’ll have to wait and see. But I’m on board with Sultan.

  11. I’ve been AWOL for about a week, but where are we getting any hope of moving Bruce to centerfield? I’d love to see it, but Dusty was flat-out saying last year that it wouldn’t happen. Have Dusty or Walt given any indication that it could happen this year? I kinda don’t want to get my hopes up in that regard for no reason.

    As for Ludwick, I was doubtful about him at this time last year but hoping for the best. He delivered. Just so he and Votto etc. actually have some runners to drive in!

    • I’ve been AWOL for about a week, but where are we getting any hope of moving Bruce to centerfield? I’d love to see it, but Dusty was flat-out saying last year that it wouldn’t happen. Have Dusty or Walt given any indication that it could happen this year? I kinda don’t want to get my hopes up in that regard for no reason.

      As for Ludwick, I was doubtful about him at this time last year but hoping for the best. He delivered. Just so he and Votto etc. actually have some runners to drive in!

      No, there’s been no indication that there’s any likelihood of moving to Jay Bruce to CF. There hasn’t been any change to that in four years. Certain fans might want it but the Reds – you know, the guys who make the decisions – don’t. Walt Jocketty implied in recent interviews that they have been searching for a CF.

      Ludwick should be heading into this season with a complete different outlook. As seen here many fans were opposed him (they were ‘doubtful’, ‘anti-Ludwick’, skeptical, angry Heisey wasn’t getting a better shot, or whatever) but in his second year he’ll be the guy who heroically declined extra money to return to the Cincinnati Reds. He won over a lot of fans last year and should be very popular when the season begins.

      I’m hoping last year’s slow start was a one time thing and that his season batting average and OBP will go up as a result.

  12. I like this deal a lot, am surprised the Reds could get him for so little after Victorino got $39M for 3 years and Pagan $40M for 4 years. Yes they play CF but big deal.

    Ludwick probably can’t quite repeat his 2012 numbers but I don’t expect another bad April and May. He explained it himself, that any fly ball he hit to RF in SD was an out so it took him time in 2012 to regain his RF stroke. And I love the way he mashes mistakes into the LF upper deck.

    I like a lot of “intangibles” about Ludwick: his coming to the Reds for less money; his popularity with the players and people who know him; the way he played in the 2012 postseason (that was very tangible, actually); and that he was thrilled to be playing for the Reds in the first place, saying it was his favorite team as a kid and his dream was to play for the Reds.

    My guess is that the next significant move will be for a leadoff hitter/CFer. I’m not as sure how I feel about that, it will depend on the particulars. Hamilton will be ready soon, so I don’t think the Reds should trade away much.

    • I like this deal a lot, am surprised the Reds could get him for so little after Victorino got $39M for 3 years and Pagan $40M for 4 years. Yes they play CF but big deal.

      Ludwick probably can’t quite repeat his 2012 numbers but I don’t expect another bad April and May. He explained it himself, that any fly ball he hit to RF in SD was an out so it took him time in 2012 to regain his RF stroke. And I love the way he mashes mistakes into the LF upper deck.

      I like a lot of “intangibles” about Ludwick: his coming to the Reds for less money; his popularity with the players and people who know him; the way he played in the 2012 postseason (that was very tangible, actually); and that he was thrilled to be playing for the Reds in the first place, saying it was his favorite team as a kid and his dream was to play for the Reds.

      My guess is that the next significant move will be for a leadoff hitter/CFer. I’m not as sure how I feel about that, it will depend on the particulars.Hamilton will be ready soon, so I don’t think the Reds should trade away much.

      It just requires one team to be willing to make an overpriced deal that 29 other teams might think is a mistake. I think that’s what happened with Victorino and Pagan. Whether Victorino even plays CF is yet to be decided.

      Ludwick’s predecessor for the Reds, Jonny Gomes, hit .262 with a .377 OBP and 18 homeruns (although he only hit well against LHPs) and got $10m over 2 years. Adding his personality to a decaying Red Sox clubhouse was mentioned as part of his value. Even by accepting a discount to return to the Reds Ludwick got paid a lot more than Gomes. It’ll be interesting to see how much Josh Hamilton earns.

      Teams seem to value intangibles more than fans. It is nice to have Ludwick coming back, especially with Rolen and Cairo (presumably) gone. He’s suddenly the only veteran on the team with experience hitting elsewhere. He knows first hand that some places are better than others (stay in Cincinnati, stay away from San Diego!), and he might be able to motivate younger players to want to stay with the Reds. Also publicly he does a great job of spreading enthusiasm about the Reds in a very different way from Brandon Phillips.

      Hopefully whoever they acquire for CF will do well and be able to maintain (or increase) their value to be traded again when Billy Hamilton is ready.

      • Hopefully whoever they acquire for CF will do well and be able to maintain (or increase) their value to be traded again when Billy Hamilton is ready.

        Good point. And if the Reds do pick up a good lead off hitter, I’m going to be even more psyched about 2013.

    • I like this deal a lot, am surprised the Reds could get him for so little after Victorino got $39M for 3 years and Pagan $40M for 4 years. Yes they play CF but big deal.

      Agreed. I wonder if it anything to do with the team who signed him would have to give up a first round pick. Not a compensation pick, but an actual pick.

  13. @redsfanman: I’m with you on good luck to Stubbs, whether he’s a Red or not, but he should have experimented with shortening his swing a long time ago. Like at AAA.

  14. I like the deal a LOT.

    As far as trading for a CF, I’d be willing to give up Corcino, but I’m so convinced that Cingrani is going to be a stud I don’t want to move him for almost anything (almost). In the same breadth put me in the “I don’t trust that Drew Stubbs will change his stripes in 1 Year Camp” so I still want to Dusty proof the lineup, and get someone with a high OBP.

  15. Saw a few interesting notes on mlbtr. BJ Upton and Drew Stubbs are essentially the same player statswise, with Upton having a bit more power and contact and Stubbs having better defense. The difference is Upton is making 75 million.

    I still think Stubbs has a ton of potential. I just don’t know if he will ever reach it with the Reds. It’d be unfortunate if he only succeeds after the Reds trade him or let him walk.

    • Saw a few interesting notes on mlbtr. BJ Upton and Drew Stubbs are essentially the same player statswise, with Upton having a bit more power and contact and Stubbs having better defense. The difference is Upton is making 75 million.

      I still think Stubbs has a ton of potential. I just don’t know if he will ever reach it with the Reds. It’d be unfortunate if he only succeeds after the Reds trade him or let him walk.

      It’s already hard to choose a worst (for the team) free agent contract of the offseason. Victorino and Pagan are obvious candidates. When Greinke signs a contract it can probably be thrown into the mix. BJ Upton is also a top candidate. In my opinion Jeff Keppinger, so far, is the best notable signing.

  16. Also interesting in the last few days, speaking of intangibles that a player can bring to a team, Joey Votto talked about Scott Rolen in an interview:

    “I got everything I needed from him playing beside him. I learned a tremendous amount. You can always learn, but the two or three years I had with him were not wasted. I tell you what: He changed my path as a player. He was a shining example of the kind of player I want to be. Simply because of how quiet he was and how respected he was throughout baseball.”

    I guess that reminds us why the Reds traded for Scott Rolen. Jocketty knew he was getting more than just a replacement for Edwin Encarnacion at 3b in the deal. I didn’t realize at the time that it would have such an effect on Votto.

  17. @redsfanman: BP has made similar statements about Scott Rolen. BP hasn’t gotten quieter, but if you compare him with who he was a few years ago, he’s matured. Even with Scott’s diminishing skills and injury problems, overall I still view the trade for him as a very good one.

    • @redsfanman: BP has made similar statements about Scott Rolen. BP hasn’t gotten quieter, but if you compare him with who he was a few years ago, he’s matured. Even with Scott’s diminishing skills and injury problems, overall I still view the trade for him as a very good one.

      Brandon Phillips just loves attention, and he’s the exact opposite of Joey Votto in that way. I really like Phillips because he draws attention to the Reds, almost always in a positive way, generating enthusiasm and excitement. Controversial remarks that he makes, like hating the Cardinals, are moves that create rivalries and sell tickets rather than drive Cincinnatians away. In his own way I think Phillips is a great professional as far as selling the Reds.

      My favorite Reds player for years has been Bronson Arroyo. He’s not outspoken like Phillips but I always think he does a great job of leading by example… and he sets a great example that if somebody works hard they can be successful. To me his disastrous 2011 season was the most impressive of his career – he had a contract to eat up innings and regardless of what kinda shape he was in he’d do it as long as the Reds wanted him to. He didn’t ask to sit out, didn’t complain. Missing a start would be more disappointing to him than setting a team record for homeruns. Also he likes singing and keeps with it – despite being mocked by certain fans for being bad – and even performed at Redsfest. His JTM commercial was very memorable and I’m surprised he doesn’t make more.

      I’ve been really impressed with Todd Frazier’s ability to win over fans, and I wonder where he learned that from. Distinctive Frank Sinatra music made him memorable early on. He’s been in the right place at the right time for the nice Heimlich Maneuver story and now to publicize certain local relief efforts for Superstorm Sandy. Coincidentally he lives near where they film for MLBNetwork so he can continue to publicize the Reds in the offseason. I really like the positive attitude he gives in interviews. Like Phillips I think he does a good job of publicly selling the Reds.

      Joey Votto seems pretty boring. Same with Jay Bruce. And Scott Rolen. It’s nice that the Reds have a bunch of really likable players. The Bengals could learn something from the Reds.

  18. Boy, if Stubbs or Cozart can step up to become true lead off hitters this year…

    With the Reds pitching, I don’t see how they couldn’t win a best of five or seven series. Unless our entire offense goes through a slump because its full of streaky hitters…

    Dammit. Now I’m sad.

  19. With the pitching the Reds have available, I can live with Stubbs hitting in the 220 range. I would remind people of the great Orioles teams of the 60s and 70s. They had a CF and SS who could not hit for average, but because of their defense, they saved that pitching staff hits and runs. Is 3b manned by Brooks Robinson? Nope, but that is not Boog Powell at 1b either. I believe there are at least 5 guys on this team that could hit 20 HR, 3 or 4 that could drive in 80+. I believe there are at least three pitchers who could win 20 and 5 that could win 15 or more. The bullpen is stocked with everything but a second LH and the Reds stand to get Masset back. I would not be surprised if the Reds only get bench players from now on. All things being equal(no major injuries) this team will be tough to beat for the NL Central title.

  20. Who cares about my two cents, but, I love this. MUCH more than the Broxton signing/ Chapman starting move. Luddy is the new Rolen in the clubhouse. He can still field AND he can still hit. Reds are a much better team with him. That’s all. GO REDS!

    • Who cares about my two cents, but, I love this. MUCH more than the Broxton signing/ Chapman starting move. Luddy is the new Rolen in the clubhouse. He can still field AND he can still hit. Reds are a much better team with him. That’s all. GO REDS!

      I definitely don’t think he’s the new Rolen in the clubhouse. Rolen earned respect in the game with his great accomplishments. Ludwick is a nice guy who players might enjoy being around and who’s been around for a while but he has rarely done anything to stand out. A Silver Slugger Award and an All Star selection are his career highlights, Votto is already far more accomplished. Rolen also has a Silver Slugger Award to go along with a Rookie of the Year, 8 Gold Gloves, 7 All Star selections, and a World Series ring. Rolen can realistically get Hall of Fame votes some day – not so for Ludwick.

      @redmountain: Reds basically have a second lefthander in Jose Arredondo. If they use him as a lefty specialist, fine.

  21. It IS concerning, from a depth standpoint. The Reds can’t afford to have ANY position players go down, except possibly SS and LF. They really have no good alternatives for everyday playing at many positions, particularly 1B and 3B. All of their prospects are still a year or two away at the least, and shouldn’t be counted on for backup.

    • It IS concerning, from a depth standpoint. The Reds can’t afford to have ANY position players go down, except possibly SS and LF. They really have no good alternatives for everyday playing at many positions, particularly 1B and 3B. All of their prospects are still a year or two away at the least, and shouldn’t be counted on for backup.

      You are exactly right, but remember a couple of things:
      1) When Votto went down last summer, most (if not all) of us thought the sky was falling.
      2) A small market club like the Reds is going to mainly have cast-offs, re-treads, etc. on the bench. Picking up Paul last year was a stroke of genius.
      3) Having two catchers protects the club at a position most susceptible to injury

      Given the resources available (money, farm system, free agent pool) I think WJ has done about as good a job as could be expected in putting together a roster, positions 1-25.

  22. I’m in the camp of trying to fix the leadoff spot. But the Pagan and Victorino signings demonstrate that CF is a difficult to fill, valued position. The Reds shouldn’t go overboard by making a bad trade to replace Stubbs. There are two things they can do with him – platoon him with Heisey and have them bat in the 7 hole. That probably means moving BP back to leadoff while Hamilton continues to develop. A decent year hitting against mostly LHP might rebuild some of Stubbs trade value.

    • @MikeC:

      The Reds shouldn’t go overboard by making a bad trade to replace Stubbs. There are two things they can do with him – platoon him with Heisey and have them bat in the 7 hole. A decent year hitting against mostly LHP might rebuild some of Stubbs trade value.

      This is a viable option. The problem with this option is that Mr. Baker had this option avaiable to him or the entire 2012 season and refused to use it. There is no reason to believe that would change in 2013. A RH with a backward split platooning with a RH with a normal split just doesn’t register with Mr. Baker as a viable option so Mr. Baker’s managing of the on-field lineup becomes the problem here. A platoon in CF with Stubbs does not require moving Stubbs down in the order. XP could provide a RH/LH platoon in CF but he is more of a LF with some speed rather than a CF. If the Reds want to go out to the FA market and get a LH CF to platoon with Stubbs, Scott Podsednick is still available and he would come cheap. The problem with adding a 6th OF is the bullpen management with a limited bullpen staff and then Mr. Baker becomes the issue again. Uncle Walt is certainly not done yet so we’ll just have to wait and see how things pan out.

  23. The Reds still need a replacement for Cairo (corner IF utility) and Valdez (middle IF utility). I don’t see Burriss as the solution for middle IF utility & PH. Henry Rodriguez could play anywhere in the IF in a utility/PH roll, but that would be out of character for WJ to utilize a rookie with somewhat limited SS experience for a middle IF utility roll. Hannahan or Rolen are still in the picture to possibly fill the corner IF utility/PH role. Didi could play a middle IF utility role, even as a rookie, but he needs to play everyday since he may bee the Reds future SS and still need development. Tha means that WJ still needs to find a ML player to fill the middle IF utility/PH role.

    • @BloodyHo:
      The biggest problem with considering Podsednik is that he can barely throw the ball on a fly to 2nd base from the outfield.

      This would be a problem but the biggest one would probably be that Cowboy Brantley would have trouble keeping it straight which “d” in Podsednik was the silent one :D

  24. Does anyone else feel as if the market for CF (Bourn in particular) is somewhat collapsing? Yeah, the Mariners and Rangers are still very much in play for CF’s, but I kind of have a feeling/hunch that this could be a similar scenario to Ryan Madson this past offseason. Sign a 1 year deal to get to the next offseason. This would work out beautifully since realistically Billy Hamilton is 1 year away from being a starting MLB CF’er. Just a thought. Have a good day everyone!!

  25. Even if the market collapses, other teams will swoop in before the Reds. Position players are different than pitchers; plus, Boras (the agent who told Fielder to sit out a year rather than take reduced money) represents Bourn. He’d tell Bourn to wait, especially after what happened to Fielder.

  26. I can live w/DStubbs in Cf……if……if……he’s not at the top of the order. Having said that neither WJ nor DB have consulted me, yet. So we may yet have him at the top of the order. Tell me, did it not become painful to watch him struggle as the season wore on?

    If I have to watch that again, I will watch less often.

    Having said all that, here is my bleg: is there anyway to legally watch Redsgames in the hometown market without paying for Cable or Dish?

    • @thebigd19:
      @seat101:

      Having said all that, here is my bleg: is there anyway to legally watch Redsgames in the hometown market without paying for Cable or Dish?

      Go to a Sports Bar!!

      Several libations make watching Mr. Baker’s game management easier to watch too.

  27. This is a good deal for the Reds with a righthanded bat between Votto and Bruce. Now Walt can concentrate on fixing leadoff.

  28. @BloodyHo: @thebigd19:

    My 10 yo is a teetotaler. Although another two yers of DB could change that.

    Seriously. We have no other compelling reason to have cable other than the Reds. I would love to be able to avoid the middleman.

    • @BloodyHo: @thebigd19:

      My 10 yo is a teetotaler. Although another two yers of DB could change that.

      Seriously. We have no other compelling reason to have cable other than the Reds. I would love to be able to avoid the middleman.

      My understanding is that since the “over the air” TV has gone digital, each channel has the bandwidth capacity to broadcast at least 5 different program streams. I’ve been waiting for some of the “cable” channels to start showing up in some of these over the air slots. I guess no one has come up with an economic model that works for both the broadcast channels and content providers.

    • I am sure FSO and WarTimecontractually forbid this. Now. And forseeable future.

      It could be made to work but it would require cooperation and sharing of the total pie among the broadcasters, TW et al, and FSO at the least; and perhaps even the Reds.

      Right now it is a lot like the healthcare mess. The content providers and cable/ satellite companies quibble loudly over the last few dollars and access etc (to bilk us for even more) but if you look below the surface, they are often in cahoots at many levels and in lots of ventures.

      Maybe somebody on here who knows more about all of this can explain to me why it would be that when Fox has a network of over the air affiliates, that they couldn’t strike a deal with them to use their alternate digital streams for things like FSO, the B1G Network, Fox News etc as opposed to using the cable and satellite companies for their distribution????

    • Wow @ the KC/TB trade.Such a poor decision by Dayton Moore.

      Eh, I think it’ll take a while to determine who won this trade. James Shields is a second-tier ace but he’s also a big improvement for the Royals, who they can keep for two years. Wade Davis is also an improvement to the rotation. The Royals had extra outfielders and it was just a question of which one – Alex Gordon, Wil Myers, or somebody else – got traded.

  29. Another interesting news story, the Reds will play a few games in 2013 wearing new Los Rojos jerseys. A bunch of the Reds players grew up speaking Spanish, our country (but not necessarily Cincinnati) has a growing Hispanic population, and lots of people like me had to learn Spanish in school (just enough to understand what ‘Los Rojos’ means). It’d be a fun thing for them to wear on special occasions like Cinco de Mayo. Maybe they’ll sell some jerseys and make some extra cash, right?

    Tom Groescheh, John Fay’s coworker for the Enquirer, wrote an article about it. Anybody read the comments regarding that article? Geez, these jerseys are apparently part of some massive plot for world domination. Nothing wrong with a little conspiracy theory every now and then, I guess. I thought they were just a marketing stunt that Cueto and Chapman could compel some fans to buy… but apparently not! HA.

  30. I don’t see any direct impact here for the Reds after the Ludwick signing. It does reflect movement on the trade front for available SP and will possibly in a cascade effect on trades combined with the Greinke signing by the LAD. KC simply moved while the money teams contemplated moves. I’m not a big fan of Shields & I really like Myers, but Dayton Moore had to make a move. This trade continues to demonstrate the value of SP, especially quality pitching under team control.

  31. The KC trade is a good example of management putting their own interests ahead of the organization’s long term interests. The only way KC even breaks even here is if Wil Myers is a complete bust, and that’s a pretty rough starting position.

    I guess us Reds fans should feel pretty fortunate to have gotten Latos for so cheap.

    • The KC trade is a good example of management putting their own interests ahead of the organization’s long term interests.The only way KC even breaks even here is if Wil Myers is a complete bust, and that’s a pretty rough starting position.

      I guess us Reds fans should feel pretty fortunate to have gotten Latos for so cheap.

      That is what I was thinking. The Latos trade is looking better after a move like the this. MLB minor league player of the year for a guy who is 31 and about as good as the Reds #2 at the moment?!

      I think the Grienke signing will harm extension talks with Latos and/or Bailey. That knocks the money a little off kilter even though we are talking FA in prime years versus extensions through arbitration.

  32. This KC/TB trade just makes the possibility of getting Alex Gordon much more remote now. The possibilities for a leadoff man keep dwindling by the day and still WJ has done nothing to address the team’s most pressing need this off-season. I don’t know what WJ is waiting for, maybe for Baracko Claus to bring him a leadoff man. Unless WJ is on foodstamps or some other government assistance, the only thing Baracko Claus is going to bring him is a lump of coal, new taxes and another trillion dollars of government debt. No leadoff man in sight.:cry:

    • This KC/TB trade just makes the possibility of getting Alex Gordon much more remote now. The possibilities for a leadoff man keep dwindling by the day and still WJ has done nothing to address the team’s most pressing need this off-season. I don’t know what WJ is waiting for, maybe for Baracko Claus to bring him a leadoff man. Unless WJ is on foodstampsor some other government assistance, theonly thing Baracko Claus is going to bring him is a lump of coal, new taxes and another trillion dollars of government debt.No leadoff man in sight.:cry:

      I think Alex Gordon and Shin-Shoo Choo were cut off the list of potential candidates when Ludwick signed. They’re limited to guys like De Aza of the White Sox and Fowler of Colorado who are still available. Jocketty has about two months left to get something done before spring training… and longer until the season starts.

      You can send Jocketty some coal if he doesn’t get something done by Christmas but I think he’s pretty immune or un-moved by fan criticism.

  33. @TC:

    2013 projections with no new leadoff man.

    Bruce: .249/33HR/96RBI
    Votto: .319/17HR/91RBI
    Ludwick: .253/22HR/71RBI
    Frazier: .261/18HR/63RBI
    Phillips: .275/17HR/72RBI

    No new leadoff man, no new bench players, no new blood to help the Reds inconsistent offense, means the same ole same ole offense from 2011 and 2012 for 2013. WJ has done the Reds a terrible disservice in his duties as GM this winter. Grow some stones WJ, and don’t be afraid to pull the trigger on something that will improve the Reds. Signing Broxton and Ludwick is the equivalent of standing pat and doing nothing to improve the Reds from last year. There is not much to brag about winning the Central Division if you cannot advance and win any playoff series. 2012 is looking more and more like 2010, Deja vue all over again.

    • @TC:

      2013 projections with no new leadoff man.

      Bruce: .249/33HR/96RBI
      Votto: .319/17HR/91RBI
      Ludwick: .253/22HR/71RBI
      Frazier: .261/18HR/63RBI
      Phillips: .275/17HR/72RBI

      No new leadoff man, no new bench players, no new blood to help the Reds inconsistent offense, means the same ole same ole offense from 2011 and 2012 for 2013.WJ has done the Reds a terrible disservice in his duties as GM this winter. Grow some stones WJ, and don’t be afraid to pull the trigger on something that will improve the Reds.Signing Broxton and Ludwick is the equivalent of standing pat and doing nothing to improve the Reds from last year. There is not much to brag about winning the Central Division if you cannot advance and win any playoff series.2012 is looking more and more like 2010, Deja vue all over again.

      Deja vu? Standing pat like they did after 2010? I think an important difference is that the pitching staff is flat out better than it was in 2010. There’s still time to address other issues like leadoff and the bench.

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