2013 Reds / Minors

David Bell … gone

Some notes about David Bell leaving the Reds organization:

The Cubs did not waste any time informing players and fans that next year’s coaching staff would look a little different, by announcing after the last game of the season that Pat Listash, third base coach, would not be returning. His replacement was announced today.

David Bell is now Manager Dale Sveum’s third base coach. The 40-year-old Bell has been coaching third base and managing in the Cincinnati Reds’ minor league system the past four years, according to a Cubs press release. His first stint as a manager or coach was in 2009, when he managed Double-A Carolina. He had a 12-year major league career, which ended in 2006.

Many felt that Bell was the heir apparent in the Reds organization to Dusty Baker, but by the timing, it seems to me that when Baker got his extension, Bell decided to pursue his future elsewhere.

Leaves a hole at AAA Louisville…Will the Reds bring Riggleman up from Pensacola? (If so, does that move Griffey and DeShields up also?)

Put Rick Sweet back into the Louisville job?

What do you think?

29 thoughts on “David Bell … gone

  1. I never accepted David Bell being the “heir apparent” to Baker. Possible, yes, but “automatic”, no. As far as a replacement, I don’t think we can go wrong with anyone in that place. My first preference would probably be Sweet.

  2. My first preference is to move Delino DeShields up from Dayton to Louisville. My second preference is to move Griffey Sr. up from Bakersfield to Louisville. I think both of those managers have been directly responsible for the development of the key talent in the minor league system. I want to see DeShields that talent at the AAA level with an eye on DeShields taking over the management of the big club in 2015, if not before. Please, no Riggleman back at the AAA level. If Deshields or Griffey Sr. does get the AAA position, I hope the other individual moves to the AA manager position with Alex Pelaez and Eli Marrero also having a chance to move up as minor league hitting coaches along with DeShields and Griffey Sr.

  3. Oh well.

    Who even says the Reds are going to look for an internal candidate once Dusty is gone? They might bring in Jim Leyland for all we know.

    No, not saying that will happen, but I’m just saying 2 years is WAY to far down the line to be thinking of “heir apparent”.

    • In other news, Cardinals fans are doping themselves proud as usual, apparently there were rashes of homophobic twitter bombs aimed at the Giants and the city of San Francisco from some angry WLB fans.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/24/st-louis-cardinals-fans-homophobic-tweets-san-francisco-giants_n_2008788.html

      The one positive to social media sites is stupid people say stupid things and then get put on blast and everyone can see them for what they truly are. Obviously this doesn’t speak to the entire fanbase but it is certainly embarrassing.

      • The one positive to social media sites is stupid people say stupid things and then get put on blast and everyone can see them for what they truly are. Obviously this doesn’t speak to the entire fanbase but it is certainly embarrassing.

        Well, it was 12 people. You’re going to find way more than 12 idiots per fan base.

        Anyways, what I really think of Cards fans was demonstrated by that Cards fan who signed up to troll last week and said he loved it that the Cards were two games from the World Series (what happened to THAT?), and that he loved that the Reds fans were whining (which I didn’t see) and that Pujols was fishing. How typical—Pujols is one of the Cards greatest players, and they hate him for leaving for a better offer in a market economy.

  4. I just read that Bryan Price is a candidate for the Marlins’ job. Walt, if you’re listening, tell this guy it is his team after Dusty is gone in two years!

  5. I am not disappointed in this news in any way. David Bell may be an outstanding coach/manager—I don’t know—but hearing him on local Louisville radio did not inspire confidence. In fact, I had to pull over so that my suddenly heavy eyelids didn’t endanger the other drivers. Zzzzzzzzz.

  6. Ultimately, even if he WAS/IS the heir apparent, this doesn’t preclude the fact that he still could be. Trust me, as a 3rd base coach he will have an “out” for a managerial position should one become available.

  7. Price is like the dugout vice president. He can’t walk. I’d hope he’s smart enough to avoid the Miami Dumpster Fires for two years and line himself up for Reds manager.

  8. Personally, I’m glad Bell is gone. Nothing against him personally. Perhaps he would have been a good manager, I don’t know. I just don’t want him teething on the Reds.

  9. I guess my response to Bell moving to the Cubbies is who cares at this point. Bell had a very mediocre year at AAA. Does that really put him ahead of somebody like Rick Sweet who managed most of the home grown talent on the Reds usually with great success when they were at AAA?

    I thought Sweet and not Bell was most likely the man in waiting this year had the team not come together and had Dusty gotten the sack. After all Sweet was perfectly positioned having been moved out the the AAA job, he could have been dropped into the MLB job without disrupting the AAA/ farm system.

    As far as I’ve read or heard, John Fay was the main if not only guy beating the drum for Bell as “heir apparent”. At times Fay has seemed to have a direct line into the Reds top level thinking in such matters. However I think he is also prone to jumping on the hometown angle and milking it for all it is worth with or without much supporting evidence. We will probably never know which he was doing in this situation

    • I guess my response to Bell moving to the Cubbies is who cares at this point. Bell had a very mediocre year at AAA. Does that really put him ahead of somebody like Rick Sweet who managed most of the home grown talent on the Reds usually with great success when they were at AAA?

      I thought Sweet and not Bell was most likely the man in waiting this year had the team not come together and had Dusty gotten the sack. After all Sweet was perfectly positioned having been moved out the the AAA job, he could have been dropped into the MLB job without disrupting the AAA/ farm system.

      As far as I’ve read or heard, John Fay was the main if not only guy beating the drum for Bell as “heir apparent”. At times Fay has seemed to have a direct line into the Reds top level thinking in such matters. However I think he is also prone to jumping on the hometown angle and milking it for all it is worth with or without much supporting evidence.We will probably never know which he was doing in this situation

      It was apparent the Reds organization felt they needed to promote Bell to keep him (thus pushing Sweet out of his job and promoting Bell to AAA last year). That would make me believe that Bell was higher in the Reds hierarchy than Sweet at that point.

  10. Call me crazy, but what about Joe Morgan??? Nobody knows the game of baseball like Super Joe!! I don’t care if he has no experience in managing….I think he would be awesome!!

  11. @Bill Lack: What in Bell’s body of work (player, coach, manager) leads anyone to be certain he will be a good manager in the major leagues? Why would they risk offending/losing Rick Sweet? I don’t get the David Bell love in the organization.

    • @Bill Lack: What in Bell’s body of work (player, coach, manager) leads anyone to be certain he will be a good manager in the major leagues?Why would they risk offending/losing Rick Sweet?I don’t get the David Bell love in the organization.

      I have no idea…the players I talked to liked playing for Bell more than Sweet, but I have no idea why the organization felt that way. My point is that judging by their actions, he was held in higher esteem.

  12. If the Reds lose Bryan Price to the Marlins, then go get Orel Hershisher as pitching coach. Or get him for the AAA Louisville job. He can teach those young pitchers in the organization a thing or two about pitching in MLB.

    • If the Reds lose Bryan Price to the Marlins, then go get Orel Hershisher as pitching coach.Or get him for the AAA Louisville job.He can teach those young pitchers in the organization a thing or two about pitching in MLB.

      Seems to me Ted Power’s done a pretty good job at Louisville. Mario Soto would be my second choice.

  13. I think we saw with both the Cards and White Sox this year, that there is no way to know the abilities of a manager until they are in the job. I mean neither choices for those two team had any managerial experience and yet looked at how each team did this year.

    To say David Bell is or will be a good manager is not known. Just as we don’t know if Price is managerial material. He is great as a pitching coach, but there are huge differences in those two jobs.

  14. I was never a big fan of Bell. He was never successful and he had a lot of the guys who have been good/great with the Bats and Reds. I don’t know if it was coincidence or if he was just not a good manager. I personally don’t see it as a loss because I felt like he is the weakest manager of all the Reds teams. I’d prefer Price to be Dusty’s replacement with Power being Price’s replacement. Sota is excellent but he is in a spot he likes roving around and that may be the most beneficial to the Reds organization because he can help everyone at all levels.

  15. @Bill Lack:

    I saw on an Indians blog that Hershisher might be considered for their pitching coach opening. He does have MLB pitching coach experience with the Rangers 2002-2005. I don’t think Power or Soto have that. Given, it is not a pre-requisite for the job. But it could help.

  16. I’d sure like to know what made everyone so confident in their evaluation of David Bell’s aptitude as a manager.

    • I’d sure like to know what made everyone so confident in their evaluation of David Bell’s aptitude as a manager.

      I don’t see anyone saying that (at least here). I made the point by the actions of the ballclub, it seems to me to be apparent that the TEAM felt he had a future (moving him from AA to AAA, pushing a successful AAA manager out of his position, etc).

      • I don’t see anyone saying that (at least here). I made the point by the actions of the ballclub, it seems to me to be apparent that the TEAM felt he had a future (moving him from AA to AAA, pushing a successful AAA manager out of his position, etc).

        Example: I was never a big fan of Bell. He was never successful and he had a lot of the guys who have been good/great with the Bats and Reds. I don’t know if it was coincidence or if he was just not a good manager. I personally don’t see it as a loss because I felt like he is the weakest manager of all the Reds teams.

  17. I know this has nothing to do with David Bell, but I wanted to get this out:

    Watching this World Series is depressing. (Although, what a great game last night!) There is no way I can watch this Giants team and truly think they are better than the Reds, regardless of what happened when they played. And the Giants are up 2-0. Not to rub salt in our wounds, but the Reds really could have won it this year. But–that’s playoff baseball (and injuries, too).

  18. I think Rick Sweet is likely to return to AAA. He was available all season as a contingency plan to take over as the Reds manager but instead the Reds finished in first place and extended Dusty Baker.

    Personally I hope Jim Riggleman leaves the organization and I hope he doesn’t get promoted to AAA – I think the AAA manager seems like the heir-apparent and should set a good example for the organization, which Riggleman doesn’t do. His history of abandoning teams (Nationals) or being fired is disappointing.

    If Corky Miller retires he might be an option to manage one of the minor league teams, although not necessarily Louisville – they’ve frequently implied that he has a future as a manager.

    David Bell, the worst way to evaluate a minor league manager is by win-loss record. It’s worth recognizing that most of the minor league talent began the season in single A or AA. The crummmy AAA roster is why the Reds had so much trouble improving their bench (remember Mike Costanzo?) this year. The Reds had a strong rotation and pitching staff but that didn’t extend to Louisville, especially after Jeff Francis left and JJ Hoover got promoted. Dioner Navarro and Xavier Paul joined the Reds when almost everybody else in AAA was hitting badly. All I know is that David Bell didn’t have a good roster in AAA but I heard good reviews of his managing. Good luck to him in his new job.

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