2012 Post-season / 2012 Reds / Game Thread

NLDS Game Four Thread: Reds vs. Giants

Well, so much for the sweep. As I write this (it’s 6:20 am), we still don’t know who will be starting for the Reds tonight. All we know for sure is it probably won’t be Johnny Cueto. Of course, the last time the Reds had to improvise, it turned out okay.

Let’s see if the Reds can close this thing out. Go Reds.

477 thoughts on “NLDS Game Four Thread: Reds vs. Giants

  1. Wow..Dusty will now have blown leads in a WS and two different playoff games with 3 different teams..that has to be some kind of record…

    • @RedLegHerrm: He had already thrown 4 1/3 before this inning, he wasn’t going to pitch tomorrow anyway.

      Getting into the Giants pen is not the goal, or at least, it shouldn’t be.

      • Getting into the Giants pen is not the goal, or at least, it shouldn’t be.

        Tomorrow it most certainly should be.

        • Tomorrow it most certainly should be.

          @RedLegHerrm: Precisely. We have some deep thinkers here but at times they miss the big picture. I hope Cain doesn’t get an out tomorrow. Bullpen be damned.

        • @RedLegHerrm: Precisely.We have some deep thinkers here but at times they miss the big picture.I hope Cain doesn’t get an out tomorrow.Bullpen be damned.

          That wasn’t what I meant, and you must know that.

        • That wasn’t what I meant, and you must know that.

          No, I believe you missed RLH’s.

        • No, I believe you missed RLH’s.

          I’m “not” a deep thinker so when I consider a starting pitcher exiting early, I surmise he must of been hammered. I’m thinking that was Red’s point but I could be wrong.

        • I’m “not” a deep thinker so when I consider a starting pitcher exiting early, I surmise he must of been hammered.I’m thinking that was Red’s point but I could be wrong.

          I was referring to the last two days, when the starter left after the 5th and before the 3rd, and the Reds got a total of 3 runs. Usually it’s good to knock a starter out, but not in either of these cases.

          Now, Cain is better by a mile than those last two guys, but their bullpen guys are better than Cain. You can check the stats….

        • I was referring to the last two days, when the starter left after the 5th and before the 3rd, and the Reds got a total of 3 runs. Usually it’s good to knock a starter out, but not in either of these cases.

          Now, Cain is better by a mile than those last two guys, but their bullpen guys are better than Cain.You can check the stats….

          Okay. My apologies. I really wasn’t getting the point. Pretty worked up today. Point taken and accepted. Just hope Cain doesn’t see the 2nd inning tomorrow because he was knocked out.

        • Okay.My apologies.I really wasn’t getting the point.Pretty worked up today.Point taken and accepted.Just hope Cain doesn’t see the 2nd inning tomorrow because he was knocked out.

          No issues. I’m a bit worked up myself. Plus, tomorrow, some of have to work for a living. What should I do so I can watch this? Or should I skip. I want to know, Charlotte.

        • Tomorrow it most certainly should be.

          Why? Their pen is good. And the good part of it didn’t pitch at all today.

          What I mean is running up pitch counts solely for the purpose of getting into the pen makes no sense to me. Tomorrow the Giants will not use anything but their best relievers. Even if Cain goes 3 innings. Obviously, I’d like to get into their pen because we scored 6 runs.

          On the other hand, I would be shocked if the Reds go to the pen before the 6th or 7th. Baker doesn’t work that way. For me, if Latos were to struggle (hopefully he won’t), I’d have Marshall in in the 4th inning if that’s what it took, pitching 2 innings.

    • @RedLegHerrm: He had already thrown 4 1/3 before this inning, he wasn’t going to pitch tomorrow anyway.

      They could have pulled him well before this inning.

  2. It’s not so much the negativity… it’s not even the pronouncements of doom for tomorrow. It’s the armchair psychoanalysis that gives me gas the most. Feh.

  3. @seat101: Still “feeling it” Seat? No idea it was going to be this brutal. Worse Reds’ performance I’ve seen all season. Just glad I didn’t drop $100+ to watch this debacle. So things could be worse.

    1 pm start time tomorrow for those brave enough to watch.

  4. Pretty clear that Dusty is a good manager over a long season, but his short series record is suspect, to say the least. I DO NOT like sacrificing game 4 for tomorrow. Still I remember dusty leaving Bailey in vs St. Louis all the way back in July, and that paid huge dividends. Can Dusty finally win a huge postseason game? I still have faith.

    • @CharlotteNCRedsFan:
      I may go down tomorrow and see if there are any last minute sellers.

      @seat101: Don’t they normally win when you are in attendance? If so, please go. A little good karma can’t hurt. Luckily it is an early afternoon game so we don’t have to reflect on this turkey for too long.

    • @RedLegHerrm: Why? They’re bullpen had been quite used the last three games why wouldn’t they want to give everyone a rest?

      Lincecum’s been their best arm out of the bullpen. Why wouldn’t you want to save him for Game 5?

  5. This team doesn’t look like the 2010 team at all. Postseason experience has made all the difference.

  6. I’m glad I don’t live in the market. The unrest will be absolutely unreal if this team drops three straight at home to blow a series. A poll question, though: Better to (A.) lose to the Giants in five during the LDS or (B.) get beat in the NLCS by the Cardinals. I say B. I think St. Louis is clearly playing the best of any team in the postseason right now.

  7. There is zero reason Dusty should be back next season. Also need to get a new approach hitting coach…

  8. @Sam Jackson: Dusty certainly doesn’t have to play that card. The next tough question he gets from the writers that cover the team will be the first. The only writer I’ve seen willing to question him at all is John Erardi. In all the years I’ve followed the Reds I’ve never seen a manager that the press fell all over themselves defending more than Dusty. Make no mistake, nothing that happens short of a world championship will be blamed on Dusty by Fay and Co.

    • @Sam Jackson: Dusty certainly doesn’t have to play that card. The next tough question he gets from the writers that cover the team will be the first. The only writer I’ve seen willing to question him at all is John Erardi. In all the years I’ve followed the Reds I’ve never seen a manager that the press fell all over themselves defending more than Dusty. Make no mistake, nothing that happens short of a world championship will be blamed on Dusty by Fay and Co.

      This +1

    • @CharlotteNCRedsFan:
      I’m over .500, but I was fading at the end. I’ll check Stubhub. I think there are a lot of folks who have ductats but were not planning to go to a game five.

      1 o’clock start so it might just be a buyer’s market. Good luck.

  9. Well, I’ll be at work tomorrow during the entire game. Was for most of today’s, but when on the computer from time to time. I think I’ll take myself off the grid tomorrow and just check in @ 5 o’clock and hope for the best. GO REDS! Don’t go out like this, please.

  10. @RedLegHerrm: Exactly. He was pitching in a two run then three run game. By the time it was 5 runs he had probably thrown too many pitches to pitch tomorrow. Why would you pull the guy that’s getting outs and not allowing runs to bring someone else in out of their gassed bullpen?

    • @RedLegHerrm: Exactly. He was pitching in a two run then three run game. By the time it was 5 runs he had probably thrown too many pitches to pitch tomorrow. Why would you pull the guy that’s getting outs and not allowing runs to bring someone else in out of their gassed bullpen?

      He hadn’t though. That’s been my point this entire time. He had a reasonable pitch count around 25 by the time game was out of hand.

  11. @RedLegHerrm: You’re missing the bigger point. They’re best relievers are spent, they HAVE to win tonight. Lincecum was effective why would you pull him for someone that could be less effective and piss the lead away? You have to win game 4 to play game 5…

    • @RedLegHerrm: You’re missing the bigger point. They’re best relievers are spent, they HAVE to win tonight. Lincecum was effective why would you pull him for someone that could be less effective and piss the lead away? You have to win game 4 to play game 5…

      Again: Lopez has pitched to 1 batter in the series. Romo has pitched a total of 2 innings, right, and has a day off from those 2. Affeldt pitched 2, but had a day off. Casilla and Kontos are spent, I’d guess. But unless the Reds knock Cain out in the 2nd inning, they’re probably going to do just fine tomorrow with the front end of the bullpen spent.

  12. Okay..Reds have played 4 games and/or 37 innings and have scored a whopping 17 runs, of which 9 came in one game. Who here really thinks we are going to open a can of whoop butt tomorrow on Cain? Basically Latos in not 100% shape is going to have to do what Bailey and Bronson did in games 2 and 3 for us to even have a shot and I don’t see that happening. It was a great season with a lousy ending, I just hope Walt and Bob see that Dusty while a nice guy and well loved/respected doesn’t have the ability to take this franchise to the next level, because if he returns with a 2-3 year deal nothing is going to change….

  13. I’ll be listening on MLB Audio as part of my MLB-TV subscription, at work. Rather listen tomorrow. I’ll need Marty’s insight, especially if we lose. Which I do not believe is likely. Heck, any decent pitcher we have is rested. Even Arroyo or Bailey might be able to get an out or two. We need 6 strong out of Latos, more than anything. Jose should not even wear a uni tomorrow if Dusty has any sense. Miss your insights if your not around. Go Reds!

    • I’ll be listening on MLB Audio as part of my MLB-TV subscription, at work.Rather listen tomorrow. I’ll need Marty’s insight, especially if we lose.Which I do not believe is likely.Heck, any decent pitcher we have is rested.Even Arroyo or Bailey might be able to get an out or two.We need 6 strong out of Latos, more than anything.Jose should not even wear a uni tomorrow if Dusty has any sense.Miss your insights if your not around.Go Reds!

      @Hank Aarons Teammate: This was for you HAT.

  14. There is no way a Reds fan can lose tomorrow. We have Latos on the mound, a well rested best of the bullpen and Hanigan will be back. On the other hand, if the Reds get swept at home, one would think the Reds ownership would have to be thinking the management situation needs a new face (see OSU and Urban Meyer). :D

  15. I wonder if Dusty knows that after tomorrow there are no more games if we don’t win? Someone might want to remind him of that…

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