2012 Post-season / Reds - General

NLDS Game Four Reds’ Line-Up: Leake, Frazier, Navarro

Standard “day game after night game” lineup, plus Mike Leake pitching. Cueto was DL’d which makes him ineligible if the Reds make it to the NLCS although he would be eligible to pitch in the World Series if the Reds are part of that. Brisk weather today in the Queen City. Cooler than yesterday by 10 degrees and windy.

Super Todd Frazier taking Scott Rolen’s place at 3B and Dioner Navarro will catch Leake. Baker said that Mat Latos will pitch Game Five if necessary.

51 thoughts on “NLDS Game Four Reds’ Line-Up: Leake, Frazier, Navarro

  1. I am shocked that Frazier is sniffing the lineup. Really.

    I am, though, very surprised to see Navarro playing. Is this a Zito split thing, because I really am not crazy about this. Leake allows baserunners, and Hanigan shuts down the running game.

  2. Pretty simple really – all year long the theme here from time to time has been TOS. It cost this team a huge win last night. Zito/Cain – this offense has two chances to step up and take some pressure off the reeling pitching staff. Can they do it or not?

    • @Hank Aarons Teammate: And Frazier’s September was worse than Rolen’s. I like either guy there, really, with maybe a slight edge to Rolen for the defense…last night’s play notwithstanding.

      I’m aware that Frazier was bad in September, but my eyeball test says that Rolen is hurt again. He’s not looking comfortable on multiple plays, including some he’s made.

      Of course, if Frazier goes out and makes 2 errors, it was a dumb move, right?

      • I’m aware that Frazier was bad in September, but my eyeball test says that Rolen is hurt again.He’s not looking comfortable on multiple plays, including some he’s made.

        Of course, if Frazier goes out and makes 2 errors, it was a dumb move, right?

        I agree with Hank here, Rolen has looked like a guy toughing out some pain. I know everyone is banged up but Rolen especially has looked flat in the postseason on a lot of plays and at bats. I’m very excited to see Leake pitching tonight. Right now GABP isn’t playing as small as it usually does and our starters are in another “anything you can do, I can do better” phase like they were around the all-star game. We’ve given up 2 earned runs in 3 playoff games.. that is outstanding. I think Leake will continue that run tonight with a very solid showing. He won’t be shut-down but he will bring it tonight.

    • @Hank Aarons Teammate: And Frazier’s September was worse than Rolen’s. I like either guy there, really, with maybe a slight edge to Rolen for the defense…last night’s play notwithstanding.

      Last night and Saturday night notwithstanding…?

  3. Ok, while last night was awful and it’s unfortunate what happened to Johnny, that’s all in the past.

    Go get ‘em Leake.

  4. While it stinks that we lost Cueto for the NLCS, whenever Mike Leake pitches and my wife watches, we win. It’s been that way the entire season and vice versa with Bailey although Homer did really well last night, but we still lost.

  5. You never know, but this one is shaping up to be a high scoring affair. Let’s just hope we’re on the smiling side of the scoreboard.

    Remember, only 4 times out of 42 division series has a team come back from an 0-2 hole. We’re gonna do this!!!

    • Remember, only 4 times out of 42 division series has a team come back from an 0-2 hole.We’re gonna do this!!!

      NL team has never come back from 0-2 hole.

  6. It’s time to put up or well shut up. It’s time for Votto, Bruce, Ludwick, Phillips to take control of this situation and get the job done. Those 4 need to come to hit today. We are going to have to plate at least 5 runs today to keep us in the game. I love Mike Leake, but don’t like the situation he is being tossed into and really concerned with the Health of Latos. To me you have to let Bronson know he may see action in Game 5 (which I believe there will be) as Latos will go as he is that type of pitcher, but may not last that long.

    • I don’t understand Hanigan being out…completely flabergasted.

      Maybe he’s just tired. Dude caught 10 innings last night.

  7. I’m OK with Navarro. He was Leake’s catcher, and he’s had a hot bat. After a couple of bad defensive games when he first came up, he did better, throwing out Jose Reyes for example.

    Of course, if the Giants start running on him, I’ll have to eat my words.

  8. Since today apparently qualifies as a day game after a night game, shouldn’t tomorrow qualify as an early day game after a late day game, ergo giving Frazier another start at 3B if game 5 is necessary?

    Oh my… oh my…
    I know limited matchup data can be misleading, but I’m not liking Zito’s chances of lasting 5 innings. With the SF bullpen strapped from yesterday’s all in performance by Bochy just to get to the game today, this could get ugly for the Giants.

    0.421/0.520/0.579 Phillips 25 PA
    0.500/0.667/0.500 Cozart 3 PA
    0.167/0.286/0.167 Votto 21 PA
    0.231/0.355/0.423 Ludwick 31 PA
    0.357/0.333/0.642 Bruce 15 PA
    0.600/0.667/1.200 Frazier 6 PA
    0.000/0.000/0.000 Navarro 0 PA
    0.385/0.467/0.462 Stubbs 15 PA

    Today is Leake’s chance to thumb his nose at everyone involved in the decision to leave him off the playoff roster, prove them wrong and strut his stuff while stomping their faces in the mud along the Ohio River. You go Leake and lead this team to the NLCS with your head held high, with your roster spot locked in and secure.

  9. Putting in Frazier is a good move. Rolen is not quite right physically (neck and shoulder was the latest I heard). And Rolen will play game 5 if needed.

    • Putting in Frazier is a good move. Rolen is not quite right physically (neck and shoulder was the latest I heard). And Rolen will play game 5 if needed.

      Now according to those announcers (and man, are they awful or WHAT?), Baker said Rolen was as healthy as he’s been all year.

  10. Bruce: 5/14 (.357 average) with 1 homerun
    Cairo: 4/13 (.308 average) with 1 homerun
    Cozart: 1/2
    Frazier: 3/5 with 1 homerun
    Hanigan (who is out of the lineup): 2/8
    Heisey (who is also out): 0/4
    Ludwick: 6/26 (.231 average) with 1 homeruns and a .355 OBP
    Navarro: Never faced Zito
    Phillips: 8/19 (.421 average, .520 OBP)
    Rolen (who is also out): 2/7 with a .538 OBP
    Stubbs: 5/13 (.385 average, .467 OBP)
    Votto: 3/18

    Everybody in the lineup except Votto has been pretty successful against the lefty Barry Zito in the past, and I’m surprised Zito is getting so little attention when fans try to predict the game’s outcome.

    I don’t think Frazier is in for the remainder of the playoffs, I think he’s in today because he’s been successful against left handed pitching and Barry Zito in particular.

    Dioner Navarro, we rarely see him bat right handed but I guess we get to today.

  11. Go Reds! Reds need to go, tonight. I don’t like a game 5 scenario for them.

    And I actually find it really intriguing that with all the other issues this ball team has faced, why not have one more thrown at them during the most crucial part of the season? Losing Cueto during the NLCS is a HUGE loss, but is it as much of a loss as losing Votto? We all witnessed how well the Reds played everyday after Votto went down, so perhaps Leake can lock down the NLDS and the rest of the staff can perform well in the NLCS.

    Go Reds!

  12. @vared: What team have you been watching? Seriously, what part of the pitching staff has been “reeling” over the last 4 days?

  13. @BloodyHo: Zito is very hittable by RHed hitters. He gives lefties a problem, but I think Joey and Bruce will be OK. My only concern abut Leake is that he hasn’t pitched for a while. But he’ll be real motivated and the Reds will score runs today.

    Leake will be calm. Somebody on mlbnetwork (before the 2012 season started) was talking about Mike and said that if there’s one guy in MLB who would be suited for disabling a bomb that’s about to detonate, it is Leake, that nothing phases him.

  14. not surprised to see Frazier in this situation. i think dusty was planning on getting him a couple spot starts and this is a good situation. today’s game being a pseudo-day game (4:00), this seems like a pretty good spot to rest Rolen.

    don’t know how i feel about Navarro. Hannigan (outside of his bad passed ball yesterday) has been really good of late. and having him behind the plate is a GREAT security in the playoffs.

  15. I like that they’re going with Leake. With Cueto out, there was no “good” solution for today’s game. Going to Latos on short rest (and, apparently, with the sniffles) was risky; he gutted out a strong performance the other day on short rest, but we all know he didn’t have his best stuff out there. Who knows how he’d look on short rest a second straight outing? If he took a loss, we’d be looking at Arroyo on short rest tomorrow; I love Bronson, but Bronson on short rest isn’t where I want the ball with the season on the line. This way , if Leake wins it, great; if not, we have a fully-rested Mat Latos on the hill for Game 5. And if someone had asked you before the series who you’d want on the mound if it got to Game 5, how many people here wouldn’t have said Mat Latos?

  16. The Nats aren’t winning game 3. But, anyone who wants to keep thinking the Cards are no good, feel free…

  17. @Bill Lack: Can’t trust the national announcers, especially TBS. Plus, Baker doesn’t have to give full, accurate health reports of all his players. Or, Rolen hasn’t been very health all season, so relatively speaking, he is as healthy as he has been all season!

  18. You just have to love what Homer Bailey has done the second half of the season, or the whole season for that matter. He has stayed healthy. 200 plus innings. A no-hitter. A sub-4.00 ERA. The Reds have THREE legitimate number 1 starters. Add Chapman to those three. Since he was the best starter in spring training, no telling how good the rotation will be in 2013. And Cingrani waiting his turn at AAA next year. Where are those shades?? The future is looking bright. Now if the Reds can get a legit #4 clean up hitter, they may win 105 games next year.

  19. Then there was this quote from yesterday:

    He’d like to get Todd Frazier and Chris Heisey a start. But he hasn’t gotten that far yet.

    “I don’t know,” Baker said. “It depends if it’s day after night. It depends on the matchup. I’d like get Scottie (Rolen) a day, but he’s looked pretty good. It would be more about getting Frazier some time and maybe Heisey some time.

    He’s looked pretty good???? What am I missing here?

    • Then there was this quote from yesterday:He’s looked pretty good???? What am I missing here?

      Didn’t Rolen make a few errors during the last 2-3 weeks of the season that were uncharacteristic for him?? I believe a trend has emerged. I am with you on this. Frazier ought to be seeing a little more playing time.

    • Then there was this quote from yesterday:

      He’s looked pretty good????What am I missing here?

      Well, he’s not striking out 8 out of every 11 at bats, I guess, like in 2010 NLDS. Maybe that qualifies as pretty good.

    • He’s looked pretty good????What am I missing here?

      You’re missing a manager taking care of his players’ egos. I’m guessing part of the reason guys like playing for Dusty is that he doesn’t criticize them openly. You’re not going to hear a “players’ manager” say “I’m taking him out of the lineup today because he just sucks right now.”

    • Mike Leake 3-0 0.77 in his career against the Giants.

      Except none of those were game 4 of a 5 game playoff series…

  20. So either the medical staff fooled us all again with Cueto, or the decision to pull him for Leake was a terrible one. Even if we win this series, we’ll be Cueto-less next series against a presumably better opponent (since they won their series to advance). I just don’t understand why they don’t just go… “Hey Mat, we need you to throw 5 innings out there today.” and then just go with our fairly well rested (and best in MLB) bullpen that’s gotten back-to-back starters pitching 7 innings. Baffling that we’re going with the guy who’s had an ERA over 5 since the All-Star Break.

    Also, the decision to go with Frazier over Rolen shouldn’t be all that surprisingly. People who have preached about Rolen’s gold glove defense hasn’t been watching this year clearly. The guy’s got a .948 fielding percentage, which is his lowest since 1997. Todd Frazier’s fielding percentage is .968 at 3rd and .994 at 1st.. as a rookie. Just don’t see how that one’s a hard decision.

    Also wouldn’t mind seeing Heisey get in there at center field.

    All things said, I think the bats wake back up today and we win as long as Leake keeps it close.

    • So either the medical staff fooled us all again with Cueto, or the decision to pull him for Leake was a terrible one. Even if we win this series, we’ll be Cueto-less next series against a presumably better opponent (since they won their series to advance). I just don’t understand why they don’t just go… “Hey Mat, we need you to throw 5 innings out there today.” and then just go with our fairly well rested (and best in MLB) bullpen that’s gotten back-to-back starters pitching 7 innings. Baffling that we’re going with the guy who’s had an ERA over 5 since the All-Star Break.

      Also, the decision to go with Frazier over Rolen shouldn’t be all that surprisingly. People who have preached about Rolen’s gold glove defense hasn’t been watching this year clearly. The guy’s got a .948 fielding percentage, which is his lowest since 1997. Todd Frazier’s fielding percentage is .968 at 3rd and .994 at 1st.. as a rookie. Just don’t see how that one’s a hard decision.

      Also wouldn’t mind seeing Heisey get in there at center field.

      All things said, I think the bats wake back up today and we win as long as Leake keeps it close.

      Why do you think a sick short rested pitcher would out perform Leake?

    • So either the medical staff fooled us all again with Cueto, or the decision to pull him for Leake was a terrible one. Even if we win this series, we’ll be Cueto-less next series against a presumably better opponent (since they won their series to advance). I just don’t understand why they don’t just go… “Hey Mat, we need you to throw 5 innings out there today.” and then just go with our fairly well rested (and best in MLB) bullpen that’s gotten back-to-back starters pitching 7 innings. Baffling that we’re going with the guy who’s had an ERA over 5 since the All-Star Break.

      Also, the decision to go with Frazier over Rolen shouldn’t be all that surprisingly. People who have preached about Rolen’s gold glove defense hasn’t been watching this year clearly. The guy’s got a .948 fielding percentage, which is his lowest since 1997. Todd Frazier’s fielding percentage is .968 at 3rd and .994 at 1st.. as a rookie. Just don’t see how that one’s a hard decision.

      Also wouldn’t mind seeing Heisey get in there at center field.

      All things said, I think the bats wake back up today and we win as long as Leake keeps it close.

      Two things: (1) you are exactly right about Rolen, he is not anywhere near a gold glove 3B. He might be better than Frazier, but it’s not at all clear. He’s got no flexbility or fluidness out there any more.

      (2) I don’t think this decision is obvious. The choices are: (a) bullpen game, (b) start Leake and Latos in game 5 on normal rest if they lose, (c) start Latos on 3 days rest, and then Arroyo on 3 days rest if they lose. Any one of these decisions can go right or wrong, and this is a very difficult judgment call.

      • Two things: (1) you are exactly right about Rolen, he is not anywhere near a gold glove 3B. He might be better than Frazier, but it’s not at all clear. He’s got no flexbility or fluidness out there any more.(2) I don’t think this decision is obvious. The choices are: (a) bullpen game, (b) start Leake and Latos in game 5 on normal rest if they lose, (c) start Latos on 3 days rest, and then Arroyo on 3 days rest if they lose. Any one of these decisions can go right or wrong, and this is a very difficult judgment call.

        Problem is Latos has already pitched on short days rest pitching in game 1, so you are having him pitch back to back short game rest if he went tonight and he is sick. IF that is your best option, then you are in trouble.

        Didn’t the Pirates in 90 vs. the Reds try the bullpen approach?

        • Problem is Latos has already pitched on short days rest pitching in game 1, so you are having him pitch back to back short game rest if he went tonight and he is sick.IF that is your best option, then you are in trouble.

          Didn’t the Pirates in 90 vs. the Reds try the bullpen approach?

          No, the Pirates in game 6 just started Ted Power out of the pen and then brought in Zane Smith, the real starter, in the 3rd. That was to try to trick Piniella into putting his lefties into the starting lineup.

  21. Also, people have definitely overstated Stubbs’ good play due to the 8 spot after games 1 and 2. More likely, he’ll just be the same player he has been there. Which is ok, I get it, he’s playing. Just saying.

  22. Danny Espinosa is having a Reggie Sanders 1995 NLCS like series.

    The bottom of that order is brutal, it makes Hanigan/Stubbs/pitcher look good.

  23. What does it say about the playoffs that we could be looking at the two teams with the worse overall regular seasons records (Tigers/Cards) meeting in the World Series. Do we know when that happen last?

  24. I’m cool with the Leake decision. Seeing what we’ve seen of players dealing with oblique problems, the odds of Cueto being ready to go next week are pretty low. He may not be able to go the week after, either.

    You know the old saying – you go to war with the army you’ve got, not the one you wish you had. Steal this game like it’s a t-shirt, Leakey!

  25. I’m a fan of this Dusty lineup. Frazier over Rolen, and get Navarro a start. Only way to improve it would be start Heisey over Stubbs (although I do love Stubbs’ defense). Time to close this out boys.

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