2012 Reds / Game Thread

Game Thread: Reds vs. Dodgers (2012.09.23)

Since the division championship is assured, I shudder to think what lineup is going to be sent out to face the Dodgers tonight. Either way, I hope Joey Votto isn’t in the lineup. I’d rather see him rest for two weeks, maybe get a little healthier before the playoffs begin.

Tonight’s game is a nationally-televised ESPN affair. Discuss the game here. Go Redlegs.

111 thoughts on “Game Thread: Reds vs. Dodgers (2012.09.23)

  1. Glad to read that Dusty is out of the hospital. It will be good to see him back in the dugout on Tuesday.

    • Glad to read that Dusty is out of the hospital.It will be good to see him back in the dugout on Tuesday.

      I second that, shame he missed last night.

    • Glad to read that Dusty is out of the hospital.It will be good to see him back in the dugout on Tuesday.

      Definitely. Looks like a couple of Dusty’s own axioms got applied to his situation. 1)when a guys says he is ready make him wait another day to be sure and 2)if that puts him back on the day before an off day hold him back yet another day so the off day also is added in.

  2. Why would you want Votto on the bench? He has to get strength back in his knee. Do you think that happens by sitting around and not doing anything?

  3. I have to go with the side of always prefering a healthy Votto over any player (including Votto) pushing a sore knee just to win a WS. I’ve just always been careful with knee injuries. I was a wimp with my own knee injury. I didn’t get better until the therapy nurse pushed me with a “wimp” insult. So, I can understand pushing it. I still would tend to the careful side. Sorry. I just don’t think knees are anything to full with.

  4. @rfay00: The last few games Votto has looked better. He’s not gimping around as much. If you fatigue the knee it’s easier to re-inure it.

    Yesterday’s game the announcers even said Votto isn’t driving the ball as he hit an inside pitch to left field.

  5. Votto should get a day off here and there… but should play on most occasions.. He needs to find his power and get his swing completely back. Joey gets rusty with too much rest.. takes him a long time to find his swing.

    I hope if Joey’s knee had ANY sore feelings.. he would be the FIRST to say anything.

  6. I’m just shocked we are saying we “miss” Dusty. I don’t miss him and his bungling of the team. That we’re here despite him says loads about this team.

    • I’m just shocked we are saying we “miss” Dusty. I don’t miss him and his bungling of the team. That we’re here despite him says loads about this team.

      On the short list for “tasteless post of the year”. The man who has led the team all season to one of the best records in the entire league and you take the opportunity totake a shot at him while he is recovering from a heart problem? Way to be a computer keyboard warrior.

      I hope Dusty is much beter and leads the team into the playoffs. I don’t agree with all of his decisions but I can’t argue with his results.

      Get well soon Dusty.

      • @MilnersGhost:

        On the short list for “tasteless post of the year”. The man who has led the team all season to one of the best records in the entire league and you take the opportunity totake a shot at him while he is recovering from a heart problem? Way to be a computer keyboard warrior.

        I hope Dusty is much beter and leads the team into the playoffs. I don’t agree with all of his decisions but I can’t argue with his results.

        Get well soon Dusty.

        Agreed. whether I like his lineups or not, he’s our skip. Get well soon, Dusty.

    • I’m just shocked we are saying we “miss” Dusty. I don’t miss him and his bungling of the team. That we’re here despite him says loads about this team.

      Out of common decency, can we at least wait until Dusty cuts his hospital wrist band off before we start criticizing him. Go Reds!

  7. Glad Sunday Night Baseball came a day after the clinch.. otherwise.. our Sunday day game might have been pretty empty..

  8. If Votto doesn’t get his power numbers back up the next few days, maybe he should bat leadoff in the postseason. His OBP is .500 since his return. Jay Bruce could bat third. BP could bat second. Cozart could bat last or seventh.

    • If Votto doesn’t get his power numbers back up the next few days, maybe he should bat leadoff in the postseason. His OBP is .500 since his return. Jay Bruce could bat third. BP could bat second. Cozart could bat last or seventh.

      While i understand the reasoning I’m not sure the playoffs are the time to tinker with lineups…

      • MaddShadez: While i understand the reasoning I’m not sure the playoffs are the time to tinker with lineups…

        One solution to that would be to try batting Votto first and Bruce third now. It’s not like Brandon Phillips has been killing it leading off.

    • If Votto doesn’t get his power numbers back up the next few days, maybe he should bat leadoff in the postseason. His OBP is .500 since his return. Jay Bruce could bat third. BP could bat second. Cozart could bat last or seventh.

      And risk clogging the bases?

  9. Votto is taking it easy on running the bases, though – I guess the OBP is more important than the speed, but it’s still something that argues against leading him off…

  10. They need to STRONGLY consider tweaking the rotation to have Homer pitch at away games during the playoffs.

  11. @RedsFan4Life86: It’s not going to happen. They’ve set the rotation. It seems absurd to pitch a guy who has the 2nd worst ERA at home this year and the 2nd best road ERA at home, but hey, that’s Dusty for you.

  12. That really wasn’t a bad pitch that got hit out. Was off the plate and up but sometimes GABP just give ‘em up.

  13. I want to echo the “get well soon” wish for Dusty Baker. And agreed that taking a shot at him here now is really inappropriate.

    On a related question. I’m not sure it’s a foregone conclusion that Baker will be back on Tuesday. Has that been discussed on TV (I may have missed it) or written up definitively? I saw Speier quoted as saying that maybe Baker would get back to the park on Tuesday.

    I’m concerned that his situation is far more serious than we have been led to believe. If they were so concerned with him traveling back to Cincinnati as recently as yesterday, it’s hard to imagine his doctors are going to want him to manage a baseball game.

    There’s more to learn here that hasn’t been reported yet.

  14. It would not surprise me to learn that Baker has to have surgery and he preferred to have it in Cincinnati rather than Chicago.

    I’m not saying I know this or even suspect it. And I hope I’m wrong about it

  15. @Steve Mancuso: I misread the orignial article. It’s not certain he’ll return Tuesday, but it’s been discussed as a possibility, both on ESPN.com and the TV broadcast. I also am a bit worried that it may be more serious than they are letting on, but I guess only time will tell.

  16. The way Baker was treated in Chicago, it’s hard to avoid the conclusion that it’s a serious condition. Also, there has been a pretty conspicuous lack of “he’s fine” or “he’s better” or “it’s nothing serious” or even “he’ll be back soon.”

    • The way Baker was treated in Chicago, it’s hard to avoid the conclusion that it’s a serious condition. Also, there has been a pretty conspicuous lack of “he’s fine” or “he’s better” or “it’s nothing serious” or even “he’ll be back soon.”

      Heck, go back to Speier’s comments a few days ago when he said over and over again that he was really worried about him. I think it’s serious and we might not see him until the playoffs if then.

  17. Only speculation on my part, but having gone through By-Pass surgery and Stent insertion procedure I would imagine Dusty had a Cardio-Cath procedure at the least to check for blocked arteries. If he only needs a Stent inserted, its check in the hospital one day and check out the next. Modern Medicine, beyond amazing.

  18. @Sergeant2: That’s kind of why it’s concerning that he was in the hospital for 4 nights. Hopefully, he’s OK & will be back with the club soon. I’m curious whether he’s even allowed to watch the games on TV?

  19. @Steve Mancuso: (My apologies if you are watching the game) According to ESPN, Dusty was at the ballpark for an hour before the game, in good spirits. He told one of the commentators that he’d “see him in the playoffs.”

    • @Steve Mancuso: (My apologies if you are watching the game)According to ESPN, Dusty was at the ballpark for an hour before the game, in good spirits.He told one of the commentators that he’d “see him in the playoffs.”

      I am watching, but I hadn’t heard that.

  20. @Greg Dafler: What’s that have to do with what I said? I was referring to the fact that he’s got a 5+ ERA at home and an ERA in the mid 2’s on the road.

  21. Buster Olney just reported that Dusty’s back in Cincy. He said Dusty stopped by the ballpark earlier today and talked to the players. Olney said he talked to Dusty briefly. Dusty said he was feeling good and told Olney he would see him in the playoffs. I think Olney also said Dusty told him his Doctors told him not to be around this, meaning work I guess. Probably wants Dusty to take it easy and stay away from stress.

  22. I am trying to ignore the voice of Terry Francona by asking how the Reds are going to line up the rotation. Conventional wisdom has Cueto, Latos, Arroyo/Bailey. Seeing as how strong Latos was in SF and how Bailey is better on the road, I would be inclined to make them the 1-2 and bring in Cueto for game 3 or 4, depending on the state of the series.

    • I am trying to ignore the voice of Terry Francona by asking how the Reds are going to line up the rotation. Conventional wisdom has Cueto, Latos, Arroyo/Bailey. Seeing as how strong Latos was in SF and how Bailey is better on the road, I would be inclined to make them the 1-2 and bring in Cueto for game 3 or 4, depending on the state of the series.

      I agree, it makes total sense. and it probably won’t happen.

  23. Valdez should be going to the plate in that situation with one thing foremost in his mind – to walk so that the bases would be loaded for Votto. Instead he swings at the first two pitches, neither of which were close to strikes.

  24. To me its simple, slack off with playing time over next 7 games, then go into Cards series as it was playoffs to get players in the grove.

  25. God, when I attend the NLDS in a couple weeks, I pray that I am not sitting next to someone who is hooting and howling like a damn animal all night. Well, it won’t be all night because I will punch them in the mouth and send them back to their trailer.

    • God, when I attend the NLDS in a couple weeks, I pray that I am not sitting next to someone who is hooting and howling like a damn animal all night.Well, it won’t be all night because I will punch them in the mouth and send them back to their trailer.

      Hope you’re not in Section 510 for the first home game!

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