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Believe

“They’re just not that great.”

That’s what SOME GUY commented on John Fay’s blog the other day.  Maybe he was just padding his argument that Dusty Baker has worked wonders with this team. I don’t know. Maybe he simply needs to lay off the magic mushrooms.  Not that great?

Umm … okay. There’s Johnny Cueto, Cy Young candidate.  Todd Frazier, frontrunner for ROY. Joey Votto, the best player in the game over the last 3 years plays here. Then, there’s Aroldis Chapman, the closer that makes major league hitters look like your softball team after too many Little Kings. Brandon Phillips, the Wizard of Second Base has his own highlight reel running nightly on ESPN and the MLB Channel. I’ve nicknamed the starting pitching staff “Five Guys,” after the hamburger chain. Five Guys haven’t missed a start all season. When Five Guys runs out of gas, there’s Seven Guys in the bullpen (ranked second in all of baseball, BTW) waiting in the wings.

Exactly what is not great about all of that?

We Cincinnati fans are a nervous bunch. Two years ago in early August, I was forlornly making my way out of GABP after the Reds were swept by the Cardinals in that now infamous series remembered mostly for The Brawl.  The general consensus that day was that the race in the Central was over.  How did that work out? Just ten days ago, the Reds’ inability to take 2 of 3 from St. Louis convinced SOME GUY that the local boys were sure to do the impossible shortly—cough up a 6 game lead in the next 3 days.

What is it with us?

I blame some of this on the Bengals.  Yes you, Mike Brown. With all due respect to the Bearcats and Musketeers, it’s professional sports that owns this town’s psyche. For the past 20 years, instead of handling our mental health like it’s a Ming vase, they’ve been treating it like it’s a Dixie cup. The Bengals have been such a national joke for so long, their karma has infected everything sports-related in Cincinnati.  If you’re a Reds fan, there’s a 90% chance you’re a Bengals fan, too—or at least WERE a Bengals fan once-upon-a-time. How could one not help but feel the general angst shift—from one sport, from one season—to another?

Not that I’m letting the Reds off the hook. The Schottzie Years, as I like to call them, took a coat of paint off the Big Red Machine. Pete’s own personal shortcomings served further to blacken the eye of the Queen City nationally.  To be a Cincinnati sports fan for the last two decades is to live in a perpetual defensive crouch.  We get that.

When Bob Castellini bought the team, he promised a different trajectory. He promised to restore the franchise to prominence. He said he viewed ownership as a public trust. Raise your hand if you believed him.

The 2010 baseball season brought us out from under the covers, hopeful again that baseball could be reborn on the Ohio River.  2011 sent us back underneath the bed. Yet, here we are again. Hoping for the best, expecting the worst.

For the record, I reject the naysayers.  I know there is a segment of the fan base that expects Tony La Russa to jump out from behind a bush with a lead pipe at any moment and go all Tonya Harding on Joey’s left knee. I know that SOME GUY is one losing streak away from heading to the grocery store to stock up on canned goods for the bunker he intends to inhabit if the Reds find a way to blow this.

It ain’t happening. 138 games into this season, the Reds have the second best record in the major leagues.  They have more than held their own against the likes of Matt Cain, Justin Verlander and CC Sabathia. Unlike in 2010, they haven’t just beaten the bad teams, they’ve beaten the good ones, as well.

And in the end, it matters little how the fans feel. The players know how good they are. You see it in every come-from-behind rally. If there’s one thing Dusty Baker does well, it’s keep a calm, sane clubhouse. This team’s strength is their youth.  In 2010, they were not just over matched in the playoffs, they were callow and perhaps a bit intimidated on the big stage. Not this time around. This time, youth will serve.  Even as older teams tire, like the aged Yankees are doing right now, the Reds will show they have more left in the tank for October. Jay Bruce is back on one his patented streaks.  Joey is rested and hungry.  This team has legs.

Don’t talk to me about greatness. Greatness is conferred by championships. No need to get ahead of ourselves.  But, this team is playing great.

Put down the canned goods. Come up from underneath that Snuggie. Quit looking over your shoulder. Objects in the rear view mirror really aren’t closer than they appear. Don’t be SOME GUY.

Believe.

68 thoughts on “Believe

  1. Hello All!

    I have been a close follower of the Reds since 1999. I had discovered this blog through your writing blurbs for ESPNs Power Rankings, in which the Reds are again #1 this week! I just wanted to say how much I enjoy the blog. The writing is great and the comments are some of the more intelligent I’ve seen on the Reds. Our Reds should fear no one now, they’re really good. Keep up the great work, and yes.. I Believe! :D

  2. Beautiful post! Sums up my feelings as a Reds fan born post-Big Red Machine perfectly. I’m still too nervous to actually admit that we’re…probably…more than likely…hopefully…going to make the playoffs! :D

  3. IMO the Bengals are a lot less of a factor than the last 20 years of Reds. This is the first time in ages anyone can reasonably EXPECT the Reds to make the playoffs at this point of the season.

    More important than that is people who suffer from what I call (as of 30 seconds ago) the losing spirit. You know the type (and read their comments here every night).

    I remember watching the 2003 Fiesta Bowl with a Miami fan. He was absolutely certain every time OSU did anything right that Miami was going to lose. Bad example, maybe, except he felt that way during every game, every sport, every team he loved. He was worse off than if he were to just have no hope; he had nothing but overwhelming pessimism.

    In general I’m probably more pessimistic than I ought to be. But EVERY time I sit down to watch one of my teams expect them to win, and I never call a game over till it really is over.

  4. I was not surprised we lost in the 2010 playoffs, Philly was stacked that year, it’s how we lost with all the errors from the best defensive team in the league that made us look so nervous and bad.

    This year I hope those nerves are gone and I’d be very happy if we just made it to the NLCS, but if we lose again in the first round it will leave a pretty bad taste in our mouths even though we’ve had an incredibly enjoyable regular season.

  5. I’m as die-hard of a Reds fan as anyone, but you don’t have to go back to the “Schotzie” years to look at why fans are still pessimistic.

    In 2000, the Reds were looking good. Baseball Superstar Ken Griffey Jr. was in town, and although the Reds missed the playoffs that year, they had a winning season and the future looked bright.

    2002, the Reds were in second place and 2 games out of first on Aug. 11. Then they went 15-29, dropping them out of contention.

    2004, the Reds were in second place and 3.5 games out at the end of June. Then they went 9-19, dropping them out of contention.

    2006, they were tied for first place on Aug. 24. They went 3-11 over their next 14 games, dropping them out of contention.

    2009, the Reds were only two games back in the division one week before the All-Star break. Then they went 5-27, dropping them out of contention.

    It wasn’t until 2010 that the Reds had another winning season. Even then, they were completely embarrassed during the playoffs, not only getting swept, but having the second no-hitter in postseason history thrown against them.

    So no, you don’t have to point to the Bengals to explain why some Reds fans are disillusioned and/or pessimistic.

  6. Get used to it Reds fans. We’re the team to beat the next 3 years.
    Cubs–money to spend, but no good free agents out there. Farm system barren.
    Cardinals–aging, with a high payroll, but they have some young talent. Our biggest threat.
    Brewers–see Cubs.
    Pirates–talent in the pipeline, but not enough to fill the many holes.

    I’ve been reading ‘The Machine’ to my son this month (he loves the swearing), and the similarities are striking—a (relatively) no-name pitching staff, dominant bullpen, and a rock solid core of position players. Like this year’s team, the Big Red Machine knew they were good, had batting lineup issues, and understood they had to win it all to quiet the doubters. To that I say it’s a fair criticism. It’s hard to resist the urge to look ahead knowing the adventure that awaits. I’m trying to be mindful to appreciate the wonderful individual performances that take place on a daily basis.

  7. “And in the end, it matters little how the fans feel. The players know how good they are. You see it in every come-from-behind rally. If there’s one thing Dusty Baker does well, it’s keep a calm, sane clubhouse.”

    There is also one thing that Dusty doesn’t do very well, and that is win in the post-season. No World Series Championships and only ONE pennant I can see on his resume in almost 20 years of managing. With him at the helm, it makes most Reds fans as nervous as a long-tailed cat in a room full of rocking chairs.

  8. Jack Buck said something similar about the Big Red Machine of the 70s. He said on paper they weren’t that great but they had an undying drive to win.

    • Jack Buck said something similar about the Big Red Machine of the 70s. He said on paper they weren’t that great but they had an undying drive to win.

      Sounds good, but I don’t know: HOF’ers around the horn, best up the middle defense in the history of the game, HR leader and Future MVP in one corner outfield spot, solid 5 tool player anchoring the other; Dominant bullpen, and an underrated rotation. Seems like they were pretty good on paper, too. But they appproached the game in the same way this team does.

    • Jack Buck said something similar about the Big Red Machine of the 70s. He said on paper they weren’t that great but they had an undying drive to win.

      If Jack Buck said that, he was an idiot. “on paper they weren’t that great”? 3 HOFers (not counting the manager), 1 should be HOFer, and 1 borderline HOFer. Strength up the middle that would be hard to beat (Bench, Concepcion, Morgan, Geronomio)…seriously.

    • Jack Buck said something similar about the Big Red Machine of the 70s. He said on paper they weren’t that great but they had an undying drive to win.

      This has already been commented on, but it’s nuts. He’s right about the “undying drive to win” part. But this was also a great team “on paper”. The Reds offense lead the NL in everything – runs, BA, HRs, stolen bases, etc.
      The Great Eight had speed, power and played great defense. Then there was the deep bullpen that was critical in the ’75 Ws win over the Red Sox.
      The starting pitching was not great, but above average.

      The entire IF (including Bench of course) ought to be in the Hall of Fame, and all had their best (or only) years with the Reds.

  9. @Sultan of Swaff: A month ago I was crazy and blinded by a win streak to compare this to the Big Red Machine. I have a good feeling we will look back over the 2010-2016 seasons as the Big Red Revival. By all accounts, this team is “ahead of schedule”. I don’t know if it’s apt to call 2010 like our 1970 and 2012 a hopeful 1972 or 5-6 season, but you could see flashes of this great team before they became a dominant force in the 70s like we hope they will become in this decade. I am pretty sure the 2012 Reds are currently batting better than the 1972 Reds, are pitching better, and will likely finish with a similar record of 95-59.

    I really want to believe this team could be good enough to compare to the BRM. Can they?

  10. There’s something magical about this team, this group of guys. I sit on my own un-read blog site, really just a journal of trade ideas among my three favorite teams, and I dream scenarios that bring Justin Upton or Felix Hernandez to Cincy, but truthfully…this team is special. And I love that I’m watching this Reds team, that when I have kids of my own in a few years, I’ll be able to say I watched the 2012 Reds. This team will be worth remembering…and that is special to me.

  11. I’m trying hard to enjoy the ride. Trying not to live or die on each pitch.

    Hoping the other shoe doesn’t drop.

    Teams are prone to break your heart. There are not a lot of pieces left. A World Series Championship would put it back together.

    Believe…breathe…believe.
    And keep my fingers crossed…keep rubbing my rabbit’s foot…always sit in the same spot.

    Believe…breathe…believe.

    • I’m trying hard to enjoy the ride.Trying not to live or die on each pitch.

      Hoping the other shoe doesn’t drop.

      Teams are prone to break your heart.There are not a lot of pieces left.A World Series Championship would put it back together.

      Believe…breathe…believe.
      And keep my fingers crossed…keep rubbing my rabbit’s foot…always sit in the same spot.

      Believe…breathe…believe.

      @RedForever: There is no crying in baseball.

  12. Is this a great team? The jury is out, but the evidence is mounting on their behalf. Is this team playing great? That’s a much easier question and the evidence is in to support that claim.

    NL OPS Leaders:

    1] 1.073 Votto (CIN)
    2] 0.991 Braun (MIL)
    3] 0.969 McCutcheon (PIT)
    4] 0.937 Stanton (MIA)
    5] 0.925 Posey (SF)
    6] 0.907 G0onzalez (COL)
    7] 0.906 Cabrera (SF)
    8] 0.904 Wright (NYM)
    9] 0.901 Holliday (STL)
    10]0.894 Bruce (CIN)
    11]0.891 Ludwick (CIN)
    12]0.884 Fowler (COL)
    13]0.881 Ramirez (MIL)
    14]0.878 Frazier (CIN)
    15]0.878 Molina (STL)

    Folks, that’s 4 (count ‘em 4) of the top 15 OPS hitters in the league playing for the Reds. That’s a GREAT performance by anyone’s measure.

    Neither hitter is going to win the MVP award this year, but both are worthy of very serious consideration:

    Votto: .346/.468/.605/1.073 14 HR & 36 2B
    Bruce: .265/.342/.552/0.894 32 HR & 34 2B

    Neither pitcher will probably win the CY award this year, but both are worthy of very serious consideration:

    Chapman: ERA 1.23; Saves 35 of 39; WHIP 0.71; 15.95 SO/9 inn
    Cueto: ERA 2.58; 17 Wins; WHIP 1.12

    The bust-out surpise hitter of the year is the leading ROY award candiate:

    Frazier: .289/.347/.531/.878

    Then we move from individual accomplishments to team accomplishments:

    3.44 ERA (rank #2 in NL pitching)
    3.76 ERA (rank #4 in NL starting pitching)
    2.70 ERA (rank #1 in NL relief pitching)

    .985 FPCT (rank #2 in NL defense)

    83-55 record (rank #2 in MLB)

    This team has had a GREAT performance and they accomplished this performance with two rookies in the starting lineup a, a first year closer and their best player on the DL for a third of the year. Only history and accomplishments over an extended period of time will determine if this is actually a great team. Quite frankly, my money is on this team to do great things for a long time. These Resurgent Reds have the owner and front office to make it happen.

    I BELIEVE!

  13. I dont live in the Cincinnati area, i live in the Chicago area so I get very infrequent Reds games, Why has the attendence specifically week day games been so lousy? I went to the Cubs game Aug 19, and it was packed, why though not for weekday games, I understand April, and May because of school, but the summer week day games didnt do what the weekend games this summer got. The weekend attendce games have been good.

    • I dont live in the Cincinnati area, i live in the Chicago area so I get very infrequent Reds games, Why has the attendence specifically week day games been so lousy? I went to the Cubs game Aug 19, and it was packed, why though not for weekday games, I understand April, and May because of school, but the summer week day games didnt do what the weekend games this summer got. The weekend attendce games have been good.

      It’s back to school time. It seems like it does this every year. Cincinnati is not along. St Louis’ beat writer called the fans truant. The attendance will recover in a week or so.

  14. I believe this is a good Reds team this year that could turn out to be a very good Reds team over the next several years.

    Drawing on my memory which at times can be asking a lot of it, I think maybe this team is more like the 1970 or maybe 1972 team versus the teams of 75 and 76.

    Barring injury or decay from age Votto and Phillips are where they need to be with Bruce close.

    Frazier and Cozart appear to be on the cusp; only time will tell. Depending where Fazier ends up, they need a corner OF or 3B. If Gregorius can hit enough, could he be the SS and Cozart the 3B??

    I think CF is either Stubbs or Hamilton. So for now that is a key position that has to be considered a big ????

    Catching solid with Hanigan. I believe next year’s tandem could end up as Hanigan and Navarro with Meso and Tyler Barnhart battling for that “catcher of the future” title in the minors.

    I think the pitching now is certainly stronger than 1970 and probably also the 1972 team. What I worry about with the pitching is depth at starter, whihc was ultimately the downfall of the 1970 team.

  15. Can we use this as a thread to “believe” in the Orioles?

    I want them to win the AL pennant so badly… just not the World Series!

    • Can we use this as a thread to “believe” in the Orioles?

      I want them to win the AL pennant so badly… just not the World Series!

      I am fascinated to see what the Orioles do in the offseason, regardless of what they do the rest of this year.

      Will they say they’re good and stand pat, or will they see a -17 run differential and realize they have some work to do? On the other hand, their run differential was -60 on Aug 1, so they’ve played good ball over the last month. It’ll be interesting.

    • Can we use this as a thread to “believe” in the Orioles?

      I want them to win the AL pennant so badly… just not the World Series!

      I would love Reds – Os World Series… Frank Robinson throws out the first pitch.

  16. @Hank Aarons Teammate: Agree Cozart’s offense would have to mature for him to play 3B, especially if a guy like Gregorius who isn’t projected all that well offensively himself is at SS. However, if those projections are to be believed, despite Cozart’s defensive prowess, they wouldn’t lose anything at SS with Gregorius. If Cozart could hit 25+ HR and overall OPS in the 750 range, it could work OK.

  17. @Larry1980: State of (Ohio) mind. No public transit along the interstate corridors 20-50 miles out or in the outskirts of Cincy to deliver folks to the park and back home afterwards. Interminable construction and delays along and in the interstate corridors.

    I also wonder how many of those 8-9K folks who show up for every Dayton Dragons game would be in GABP more often if the Dragons option was there.

    • @Larry1980: State of (Ohio) mind. No public transit along the interstate corridors 20-50 miles out or in the outskirts of Cincy to deliver folks to the park and back home afterwards. Interminable construction and delays along and in the interstate corridors.

      I also wonder how many of those 8-9K folks who show up for every Dayton Dragons game would be in GABP more often if the Dragons option was there.

      I also wonder how much effect having every game on TV has…I know its a lot easier for me to watch from my family room than make the 45 minutes trip each way..

  18. @OhioJim: Above should have read:

    I also wonder how many of those 8-9K folks who show up for every Dayton Dragons game would be in GABP more often if the Dragons option was NOT there.

  19. Cool to see the NL MVP of May last year show it again, but 3 months deeper into the season. He alone could carry this team the rest of the way, thus letting Votto work his way back in, get Frazier and Ludwick some rest, and get some youngsters’ feet wet. With DatDude back to leadoff, this lineup must be looking pretty damn ominous to the opposition.

  20. Did I miss the catharsis? Every hold hands.

    Kum ba yah, my lord, Kum ba yah!
    Kum ba yah, my lord, Kum ba yah!
    Kum ba yah, my lord, Kum ba yah.
    O Lord, Kum ba yah

    Someone’s crying, Lord, Kum ba yah!
    Someone’s crying, Lord, Kum ba yah!
    Someone’s crying, Lord, Kum ba yah!
    O Lord, Kum ba yah

  21. I strikes me that there are a lot a similarities between this September and March. There are guys you’ve never seen before, they are mixing and matching, calling guys up, trying to figure out who will be on the roster, in the rotation, in the bullpen. There’s talk about getting guys playing time, rest, etc. Pretty soon Dusty will be talking about trying to get everyone hot just as the postseason is starting. There is anticipation, excitement, general concern. This is fun.

  22. RNL is right. Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? NO, and we’re not giving up now! Let’s GOOOOOOOO Reds!

    • RNL is right. Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? NO, and we’re not giving up now! Let’s GOOOOOOOO Reds!

      Great movie reference. I had to chuckle on that on. “Animal House” was one of the best ever.

  23. Some of the fan insecurity does come from the fact that the team is flawed. The most obvious examples are often discussed, starting with Cairo and Valdez on the roster. A lot of pitiful ABs and some big defensive blunders from those two.

    There are the other usual concerns about the top of the lineup (should be OK now with Brandon); the shortage of LHed bats; Scott Rolen – is he hurt again or just slumping, if he doesn’t hit will Dusty stick with him in the postseason (yes) – etc.

    But don’t get me wrong – the most exciting thing about this team is that it is winning with youth, including rookies, there is a very good chance it will get better. In that respect, I like Ohio Jim’s comparison to the 1970 Reds.

  24. Watching Gergorius playing SS made me drool. I like Cozart, but Didi plays in a different universe. If he could learn to hit better, it wouldn’t even have to be much better.

  25. @pinson343: Forget to mention that the 2012 Reds are a very good team, we’ll find out how good. I can’t remember a Reds team with a better pitching staff, think you have to go back to 1940 for a comparable one. They play defense like the 1990 team, maybe even better.

  26. I agree with the with it all in the article … Its probably also true 90% of Reds fans are also Bengal fans .. I just want to be included in the 10% that are not Bengal or Football , especially Pro Football fans .. Thanks for allowing me to vent!

  27. I was reading thru the comments and saw the one that said he had been a Reds fan since 1999. It got me thinking back to when I began being a Reds fan at the age of 4, back in 1965. I loved baseball even at 4. My parents bought me a generic baseball jersey. I told my parents I liked it, but it wasn’t a Reds jersey. After I had gone to bed that night, my dad got out a magic marker and hand drew a big “C” on the front of the jersey with REDS in the middle. It was just like the Reds logo. Then on the back he drew a big number 14. It was perfect. I went from liking that jersey to loving it overnight. I wore it just about everyday that summer and the next. I couldn’t play whiffleball without it. My friends that I played ball with were very envious. It seemed like everybody loved that jersey. Then the next summer when I had outgrown that shirt, I had to pass it down to my little brother. There was crying in baseball that day. I think I’ll call my dad up today and ask him if he remembers that ole jersey and to thank him again. With just a magic marker and a little art talent he made something ordinary into something extraordinary and a lifelong memory.

  28. The big issue with this Reds team is that it is very Right handed dominant, Xavier Paul could be very big in october,All things considered its been a great yr, there have only 2 issues with the team, the top of order which hope fully now has been solved, and the bench Cario, and Valdez CAN NOT be on the playoff roster, other guys please Dusty.

  29. @Larry1980: I fear that both Cairo and Valdez will be on the Reds postseason roster. Dusty will say that the Reds need to go with the guys who got us here. This can be done if the Reds go with an 11 man pitching staff, with Leake being bumped to the bullpen.

    • @Larry1980: I fear that both Cairo and Valdez will be on the Reds postseason roster. Dusty will say that the Reds need to go with the guys who got us here. This can be done if the Reds go with an 11 man pitching staff, with Leake being bumped to the bullpen.

      First of all, these decisions are not primarily Bakers (thankfully). Secondly, this “logic” wouldn’t apply as it appears the post season order is Navarro > Mes and even Hoover > Ondrusek. Then, there is the fact that Leake contributed way more than either Cairo/Valdez.

      This is where Walt makes the right decision to avoid Dusty’s loyalty failings. Or, at least that is what I am hoping for.

  30. I’m raising my hand about believing Castellini meant what he said. He’s the same age as me, has been a Reds nut for just as long, had Reds fan childhood stories that reminded me of myself, etc. I was thrilled when he took over, and he hasn’t disappointed.

  31. @pinson343: Pretty much the same for me RE:Castellini.

    Glad there was at least one person old enough to pick up on all the inferences between 2012 and 1970 that I realized half way in that I couldn’t really detail here.

  32. In weird news, ESPN Mag ranked the Reds as the best National League Franchise in 2012, 3rd best MLB franchise, and 23rd best in American professional sports. I don’t know exactly what this means and why there are unlikable NBA and NHL teams ahead, but hey! Great prices, great team, great fans, great city, great, personable players, fun stadium… it’s all great.

    You know who isn’t getting enough credit? Ownership. Sure Walt worked on the deals with Votto and Phillips and Chapman, but Bob doubtlessly wanted that to happen and was ready to pony up the cash for it. I feel like the ownership sees it as a symbol first, business second, which is great. Not only does the team trot out the storied legacy, but they are actively putting out a team they may become legendary themselves. The old-style uniform and text, Mr Redlegs and Mr Red… all of it.

    If anyone is listening though, bring out the 70s uniforms for the postseason so all of the pictures from the other championship seasons go well together.

  33. I’m a huge, huge, huge Castellini fan. Both he and Phil. I’m also a big Jocketty fan. I think Rob Butcher is a big reason why people have a warm and fuzzy feeling about club. And Chris Buckley is, IMO, a HUGE reason why the Reds constantly have so much talent coming in to the system. It’s a dream team for a front office.

    People ask if the Reds can sustain this success or is it quick 3 years and done. I think, with this team in the front office? Yes.

  34. Has anyone else noticed how much criticisms of Dusty Baker tend to resemble the division in the presidential election? So many people being divided wholeheartedly for or against Dusty and unwilling to compromise… with just a few ‘swing voters’ who like him when the team does well? Dusty Baker is treated like a political candidate who is up for reelection. It’s getting crazy.

    Dusty Baker has failed in his 4 year term by not reducing the deficit (you know, the extended deprivation of playoff victories) so lets elect somebody new! Somebody who understands how to manage a business (I mean manage a contending team). Somebody who understands how the economy works (I mean advanced statistics, sabermetrics). Somebody who can tell truth(I mean publicly explain every thought in his head, good or bad, which may involve offensive remarks like those made by Bobby Valentine). Dusty’s healthcare plan (giving players days off to keep them rested) has failed. Supporting people options regardless of popular opinion is a crime (like Ryan Ludwick, Bronson Arroyo, and Alfredo Simon – why’d they even get a chance?) shows he’s out of touch with regular americans (or Reds fans). Dusty not deporting the illegal immigrants who consume jobs is a crime (I mean unpopular players who fans don’t think deserve roster spots, like Valdez and Cairo). We need somebody new to the position of president (I mean manager). That person is Mitt Romney – I guess. Dusty Baker 2013.

  35. @redsfanman:
    I also needed to include:

    -Somebody with a 9 point plan (starting lineup) which can be dissected yet still pass scrutiny.
    -Somebody with a formula for success (Dusty values pitching and defense, many fans value hitting over all else.

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