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The LA Times is reporting that the Dodgers are interested in Aaron Harang. Hat tip to Lance.
The Reds are asking for one or two players on the Dodgers’ major league roster in return.
The Dodgers would want the Reds to pay for a portion of the $15 million Harang would be guaranteed if he is traded.
Anyone on the Dodgers roster that you are interested in? If they aren’t talking about Furcal, Martin, Kemp, or Ethier, why bother?
I think Harang would excel in Dodger stadium next year. He would benefit from throwing in a pitcher’s park, and he would get the run support that would flip that 6-14 record to a positive.
I’m not all that enthused that the Reds would have to include money in the deal, but without knowing who the Reds would receive in return, it is hard to evaluate the monetary exchange.
UPDATED for the Bronson Arroyo-Mets rumor (8:55pm): Thanks to Steve for posting the link to the Mets-Arroyo rumor earlier today.
“If Mets just wanted (Bronson), the deal might have been done already,” said one baseball official familiar with the talks. “Mets are also discussing one, maybe two other players with Cincinnati.” He refused to disclose the names, but the early speculation in these parts is that the Mets may have a player under contract that needs to be moved in order for the deal to be expanded.
Here’s the Mets 40-man roster. If the Reds are looking at a swap of major league players, it doesn’t appear to be as good as a match as a potential Dodgers-Harang trade.
Now sure how any of it makes sense. Harang’s Win/Loss is a bit misleading. He got a top 5 worst run support in the NL whereas Arroyo had very good run support. If the Reds trade Harang they then need two starters.
If it was Furcal, the money would be about the same, so I wouldn’t pay too much of his contract. If it is Ethier then I would pay half the contract and the buy out just to get him. I doubt they want to give up Martin, Kemp, or Ethier IMO. I doubt they would trade any of their OF’s now that they have already traded Pierre.
If they have to pay a significant amount of the deal and not get back one of those four, no way I would make the deal, I would hold out until the deadline, hoping that Harang turns it around and his value is at more of a peak than it is right now.
There is no way we are doing this to take back a player of equal or close to equal salary. And Harang isn’t good enough recently for us to expect back Kemp, Ethier etc.
I think we’re looking at second tier players like the young SS Chin-lung Hu and/or one of their bullpen arms.
The main purpose of this trade would be to get out from under of most of Harang’s salary so we could use the money for other signings. It’s dealing from strength (SP).
There is also a published report that the Reds and Mets are talking about Bronson Arroyo, with no details yet.
http://www.baseballdigest.com/2009/12/17/metsreds-talk-bay-may-cost-six-years-more/
I’d rather move Harang, all other things equal. His past two years are a concern to me.
Of course, most of all I’d rather move Cordero’s salary, of those three players.
Good for Harang, if it happens. He goes to a better team, in a better ballpark, close to home and family. I’d miss him, but I think I might be at the point where I root for people, as opposed to laundry.
@Steve: I agree with you, I don’t see the Dodgers sending any of their core players, and I also don’t see them taking on much salary at all which means if the trade goes through the Reds would be on the hook.
As far as Bronson, I would be interested in what other players are included before I could comment on that. I just don’t see the Reds trading away both, that is a huge PR hit with people who just know the “big names” on the team.
PS: I have been driving the trade Cordero bandwagon for some time, I just can’t see that happening at this point.
I’m about getting to that point also. I root for a lot of guys (Dunn, Griffey, etc…) to do well, but I will always be pulling for the Redlegs no matter how bad they are…It is just so darn frustrating sometimes.
The Dodgers did free up some salary space by trading Juan Pierre. I don’t think the Reds trade Harang unless it saves them quite a bit of money.
…at least it means that the Reds can’t trade the Dodgers for Juan Pierre..,…
Here’s a link to a blog post from the Dodgers point of view. I don’t think Sherril makes sense from the Reds standpoint. It would if we could trade Cordero, but that’s something I think we’d do even without this Dodger trade. Why take on another LHP in the bullpen?
http://www.truebluela.com/2009/12/17/1205502/aaron-harang-dodger-rumor
Wouldn’t Furcal change the outlook for 2010 quickly?
Furcal isn’t quite the player he used to be from a speed standpoint. Only 12 SB last year in a full season.
His defense is still well above average, although Janish grades out higher. His OBP last year was .335 and .375 SLG. He did hit 9 HR.
The real deal breaker though is salary. He’s due $8.5 million in 2010 and $12.5 million in 2011. No way the Reds want to be on the hook for that much in 2011.
You know, the Dodgers did just pick up our ol’ friend Jamey Carroll. I think they picked upp some other middle infielders recently as well, but I could be mistaken on that. Could there be some anticipation?
The Mets management is under a lot of pressure to do something to keep up with the Phillies and Braves, both teams who have made aggressive off season deals. Maybe we’ll be able to take advantage of that.
I still prefer the Harang to the Dodgers trade, however, without knowing any details. I like Arroyo better than Harang for 2010 and I like the Dodgers pool of talent better than the Mets.
The Dodgers paid Carroll way more than I would think the Reds would want to go for a role-player. 2 years at 3.85 million. That’s more than Johnny Gomes would cost. I hope that’s not what’s happening here.
OTOH, maybe they signed Carroll so they can afford to trade Chin-lung Hu.
If Walt trades Aaron Harang for Chin-lung Hu, I’m going to smash his pumpkin next Halloween. Garbage garbage garbage.
I agree with you on the talent pool, definately. Obviously we would only move one of Harang/Arroyo, and shopping both may show we are not so desperate for a trade and bring us something better for one of them….yeah, I know, but I can hope. I also believe that the signing of Carroll opens up the possibility of Hu. Not that I’m overly excited there, I’d prefer some sort of salary swap deal with Furcal, but it makes sense.
You would hurt Willie? Oh, not that pumpkin.
Clarification: When I say ‘it makes sense’ I don’t mean ‘to me’ but from a Dodger perspective. I only want parts that can help us win this season.
I hear ya Preach. I just hope that the precursor move of signing Jamey Carroll is so they’ll trade us Furcal for Harang and one of Francisco/Cozart/Heisey/etc.
Chin Hu has put up some pretty good minor league hitting numbers (.298 avg, 758 ops, in 7 minor league seasons) and Luke May is a pretty descent catching pospect.
I really thing Harang is damaged goods going back to 2008 extra innings in San Diego. I hear a lot of excuse making for his poor season but he played for the same team as Arroyo the last 2 years.
I would hate to see Reds trade both Arroyo and Harang. They need at least one.
.758 OPS in the minors sounds a whole lot like Janish, Valaika, Cozart, etc…
If we’re going to trade for a SS, damnit, trade for an improvement, not a twin.
Absolutely. And Mark, I don’t think they would trade both. And I think both the Dodgers and Mets know this.
If this goes down…I want SS Ivan DeJesus + LHP Scott Elbert or RHP
McDonald…
(Sorry…hit enter by mistake..)
If they have to move one of Harang or Arroyo, I feel that it would be a sell high opportunity on Arroyo and a sell low on Harang.
If I were betting, I’d wager Harang > Arroyo in 2010. So, if the return/salary relief was similar, I’d move Arroyo.
@Kevin Mitchell is Batman:
No one is asserting that a trade like that would have straight up value. It’s that the Reds would end up with millions of dollars to sign other players. I’d rather get a young, talented SS than a washed up veteran like Carroll.
As for Furcal, he gets hurt and misses a month or two every year, that is the last thing the Reds need with limited financials. I would honestly rather have Janish starting (he plays and much less money so can be dumped if a flop). Janish was a fine hitter in college, with power, he might just turn into a solid hitting SS. Remember (those that can) that Dave Concepcion hit like a girl first half of his career, but then began hitting at or near .300 the last several years.
Personally, I don’t want any Dodgers fielder, but if we could get one of their lower paid pitchers in return, or some solid MLB ready prospects, okay by me. I don’t want overpaid, underproducing veterans. Kemp or some would be nice, but no way in heck Dodgers trade them for Harang, not unless the Reds throw in a good prospect and none of us want that…do we?
Maybe we can get Kershaw with the right moderate throw in? No top prospect, but someone that the Dodgers really like. That would be okay with me, but not likely to happen due to Kershaw’s high ceiling.
@preach: Not sure I would give them Harang and anything for Furcal. He is just a temporary fix.
Agree on trading Arroyo, he has never pitched better than high 3.00s era and last year was his best in a while (and he finished strong, leaving a good taste in scouts mouths). If you want to trade Arroyo you must do it in the offseason. Remember he pitches like a little leaguer until July and then finally starts throwing complete games. His ERA at the all-star break is routinely high 4s or low 5s and you won’t get much at the deadline for him.
Arroyo is just pitching eye candy, he has good stuff, but every year he pitches terribly until the Reds are out of it, and then he starts pitching well. Not sure if its the lack of pressure or because of his Cuban bloodlines, that he can’t pitch in cold weather? Maybe he needs the dog days of August to get his blood flowing and pitches breaking sharply?
2009 Bronson Arroyo
Category W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO INN H R ER HR HBP BB IBB SO SB CS PK BK WP AVG
April 3 1 6.48 4 4 0 0 0 0 25.0 30 18 18 5 1 9 0 14 0 3 0 0 0 .316
May 4 2 4.28 6 6 1 0 0 0 40.0 37 19 19 7 2 13 0 18 2 1 0 0 1 .252
June 1 4 6.82 6 6 0 0 0 0 33.0 43 29 25 8 2 17 1 20 4 1 0 0 0 .312
July 2 3 3.58 5 5 1 1 0 0 32.2 35 16 13 3 2 10 4 27 3 0 0 0 0 .269
August 1 2 1.99 6 6 1 1 0 0 45.1 37 10 10 4 1 8 1 18 1 0 0 0 0 .220
Sept and Oct 4 1 1.83 6 6 0 0 0 0 44.1 32 9 9 4 1 8 0 30 2 1 0 0 0 .204
Category W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO INN H R ER HR HBP BB IBB SO SB CS PK BK WP AVG
Pre All-Star 9 8 5.38 18 18 2 1 0 0 112.0 125 74 67 21 5 41 2 59 6 5 0 0 1 .287
Post All-Star 6 5 2.24 15 15 1 1 0 0 108.1 89 27 27 10 4 24 4 68 6 1 0 0 0 .223
2008:
Category W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO INN H R ER HR HBP BB IBB SO SB CS PK BK WP AVG
5 Days Rest 6 6 6.43 12 12 1 0 0 0 70.0 79 51 50 12 4 18 0 47 2 2 0 0 2 .292
April 1 3 6.97 6 6 0 0 0 0 31.0 43 28 24 7 2 12 0 29 2 1 0 0 1 .331
May 3 1 3.74 6 6 0 0 0 0 33.2 35 16 14 1 0 14 0 32 0 0 1 0 0 .271
June 1 3 8.26 6 6 0 0 0 0 28.1 42 27 26 10 1 9 0 27 2 0 0 0 2 .347
July 4 1 4.45 5 5 0 0 0 0 32.1 30 16 16 5 2 7 0 19 0 0 0 0 0 .242
August 4 2 2.61 6 6 1 0 0 0 41.1 36 12 12 2 1 15 1 30 1 1 0 0 2 .243
Sept and Oct 2 1 3.78 5 5 0 0 0 0 33.1 33 17 14 4 0 11 1 26 0 0 0 0 1 .262
Category W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO INN H R ER HR HBP BB IBB SO SB CS PK BK WP AVG
Pre All-Star 7 7 5.97 20 20 0 0 0 0 104.0 132 76 69 19 3 41 0 93 4 1 1 0 3 .311
Post All-Star 8 4 3.47 14 14 1 0 0 0 96.0 87 40 37 10 3 27 2 70 1 1 0 0 3 .246
Trade Arroyo now and then trade back for him before trade deadline, let someone else tire of his 6.00 ERA. Hah, hah. Easy to be GM if you ask me.
I’d rather have Janish at his cost than Furcal at his.
Honestly, I think Janish, over the course of a season, saves so many runs with his glove that we can live with .250/.300/.350 production. I think he can legitimately be the best defensive SS in the league.
I’d trade Arroyo over Harang myself, but with the trade partners being what is rumored, it appears to me that the Dodgers have more items at the ML level that we could deal with. Unless I’m mission something from the Mets. Any thoughts on that?
If we could get chin-lung hu, a B+ or better prospect and pay less than half of the 15 mil to Harang, I would at least think long and hard about it.
First, you’d have to have a free agent pitcher targetted that you could replace harang with. I think based on how the market has changed harang is ogoing to be overpaid this next year, so it’s possible we could replace his performance for less money.
Say for example the reds signed Justin Duchscherer with the money left over from Harang (whatever that amount is). It’s at least plausable. Are they better with Duchscherer, Hu, and a prospect than they would be with Harang and Janish?
It’s not a slam dunk, and there’s no guarantee on the signing obviously, but I think I’d take the first scenario over the second, and that’s probably the sort of calculus going on with the FO.
All Bronson does it go out there and battle, eat innings and provides you with dependable pitching, yet he gets ZERO respect and love from the Reds faithful…
al,
I stand by what I said about Janish, but I do like your point. If the Reds could find a dependable innings-eater at a low cost to replace Harang, it would be a worthwhile trade. Finding such a pitcher might be difficult.
The Dodgers, with the McCourt divorce and all, are in a weak position right now–trying to improve w/o cash to burn. We’re in the position of strength here. I’d eat some of Harang’s salary for 2 of their top ten prospects and then sign Jon Garland or someone like him w/ the leftover money.
Stockpile talent w/ no discernable dropoff in production.
@Drew Nelson: I don’t see anyone saying “dump Arroyo”, and it seems pretty evenly split here, so far, about whether folks would trade Arroyo or Harang.
I say keep both. If you’re forced to make a decision, having the opinion to keep Harang isn’t a negative or disrespectful comment towards Bronson Arroyo.
AHHHH! STOP!! Are you ready to go with Bailey or Cueto as your ace? Then keep one or both of Harang and Arroyo. We need their arms to compete. Screw the salary issues. You loose both of those guys and I’ll quit going to the ballpark. Are we that bored this offseason that we are willing to make any ole trade? Thank GOD, (and this is not to all of you) you are not the GM.
Michael on Arroyo: “Not sure if its the lack of pressure or because of his Cuban bloodlines, that he can’t pitch in cold weather? ”
And people wonder why the city of Cincinnati has a bad reputation?
Re: Harang — Given his record the last few years, I doubt any team would take him unless the Reds chip in most of his salary. He’s a known risk.
The Dodgers are sort of in a desperate situation. They couldn’t make a play on the top free agent pitchers for financial reasons, yet they have all that talent in their everyday roster and bullpen. If they don’t get some help for their #3-5 SP they’ll be criticized like crazy.
Same with the Mets. They weren’t able to pull off the big moves for Lackey or Halladay, so they have to go to the second tier pitchers.
Yes, Harang’s last two years are well known by all, but the Dodgers might see his one-year remaining contract as their best chance for adding a solid SP for a reasonable amount of money. And if he goes back to the old Aaron Harang it will be a master stroke.
I’d be stunned if we traded both.
According to Stark it is now beyond the kicking the tires stage. The sides are aways apart but it looks like it could materialize.
There are a few young guys on the Dodgers’ roster I wouldn’t mind. Paul, Hu and Elbert all come to mind. I wonder if we packaged an Alonso in there if we could get a bigger return.
The Dodgers traded Pierre, so maybe hey can use a speedy 4th outfielder. So I see a trade of Taveras, Harang and 5-6 mil for Chin Hu, and their 3rd best minor league prospect
Ok probably won’t happen. wishful thinking 
Anybody remember Gookie Dawkins? Apparently he is still playing because he was suspended 50 games. I can’t believe he is still around!
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/12674085/dawkins-draws-50game-suspension-for-second-positive-test
Wow, a Gookie sighting !
Remember when we had Pokey and Gookie ?
@pinson343: Oh yeah, great times, lol…I remember when both of them at one time or another was supposed to take over for Larkin when he retired…
Maybe if we snuck WT into one of AH’s suitcases the Dodgers would just go ahead and take him instead of returning.
Once this season the battery was Kip and Corky…
Olney was just on ESPN and said that Harang to the Dodgers will get done.
The Dodgers would “return to sender” on that one.
Let’s just dump one of their salaries and use it for Miguel Tejada. Dodgers aren’t going to give up Ethier OR Kemp for Arroyo AND Harang. Who wants Furcal?
Moving Harang, for example, sets the rotation up as Arroyo, Cueto, Bailey, ?, ?.
It can’t just be a salary dump, or they are no better off than they are today. They have to be able to get a player in return plus use the saved money on another need (or needs) on the roster.
If the Reds a serious about moving Harang I would look more towards the other LA team. The Angels need to do something to improve given what Seattle is doing.
I would propose:
Harang
Cordero
8-10 mil
For:
Juan Rivera
Brian Fuentes
Maicer Izturis
Trevor Bell
This would give them another solid starter and a better closer. For the Reds it would free up about 10 mil in payroll (even giving up 10 mil, unless Fuentes vesting option hits for ’11).
The Reds would receive a decent closer, a much needed RH power bat for LF, a super UTL guy the managment covets, and a decent SP prospect. The Angels have OF depth, need another good starter, and it would solidify their bullpen. Plus, they could still go out and get another bat with the money they are saving on Vlad. The Reds could even throw in a mid-level prospect to replace the offensive side the Angels are losing and it would still work out alright. If they wouldn’t want to get rid of Rivera, I would even look at taking back Matthews, but they would have to not take any money from the Reds or take on Taveras.
Just a thought…
He can be reliably dreadful in a handful of starts per season, but Arroyo is extremely valuable. He can take the ball once or twice a week, every single week, and give you league-average or better production.
That’s one rotation spot you can set and forget for six months, and I sure don’t see anyone the Mets could offer that would be worth giving up that peace of mind.
I think (and hope) you’re right Greg. The more I thought about this situation, I kept coming back to the idea why go get Rolen but then shed a quality pitcher for less?
Pokey, Gookie and Corky, with a 1B named Sean Casey. The future looked bright indeed from a baseball name standpoint– players just don’t have names like that anymore, and we had 3 plus meat and potatoes Casey.
Remember when the Yankees wanted to trade Alfonso Soriano straight up for Pokey? Not that Soriano was Babe Ruth or anything, but the way Pokey flamed out, maybe that’s another deal we should have taken.
The only trouble is that any time the Yankees have an ‘untouchable prospect’ they turn out to be ‘magic beans’ that aren’t actually magical, just beans (Drew Henson, Dioner Navarro (the next Johnny Bench), Wily Mo, etc.), now it’s looking like one might add Chamberlain and Hughes to the list. It’s really incredible how they manage, time and time again to hoodwink people into believing that their farm system has anything worth getting– I think the Knoblauch trade was the last time anyone got anything decent from the Yankees.
The Reds need a PR department to start hyping their marginal prospects as ‘untouchable.’ Then, flip 3-5 of those for a big star, repeat as necessary. That’s how you get to the World Series. And have your own TV station. Case in point: the Yankees got Alex Rodriguez for Soriano and a guy who’s played 41 MLB games since.
The Reds did at least manage to eventually get Arroyo for an aging gopher-baller with a taste for hookers..
I’m not sure the Reds have a pitcher to plug into Harang’s slot the get provide the quality innings that he has in the past.
What, is the Reds front office stupid? They don’t have the pitching depth to deal Harang or Arroyo…If they do, they just make their starting rotation VERY weak. What are they thinking?…As a life long Reds fan of over 40 years, if they make any trades of their starters before next July, they can write me off as a fan….
One reason might be to sign other players that can help this year. It’s probably the case that we don’t have someone who could step in and take over Harang’s innings. (although he has only won 12 games in two years)
But we could use the saved money to improve for 2010 in other areas, like LF or SS.
I’m not saying this would be a good move, only that trading Harang or Arroyo is not necessarily inconsistent with the Rolen deal.
Strangly enough, I like Hu’s bat. He’s a good contact hitter. Every year he hovers around .300 BA and somewhere around .350 OBP. He strikes out twice as often as walks. I’m not sure about his glove though. There isn’t enough of a sample size on the Major League level to know who he’ll do.
First no trade has happen. Before we jump off the bridge why don’t we wait and see. Lastly, I will never understand how anyone can call them a fan of a team and then say they will leave them if they do X. I follow the Reds win or lose and that hasn’t changed in the 30+ years I have followed them.
This is what I call creative thinking ! As far as the Yankee ‘untouchable prospect’ list goes, let’s not forget Branden Claussen.
The Yankees regretted trading young Uncle Milty, for a couple of years anyway.
Yes Pokey was regarded as “untouchable” after the 1999 season, the Mariners wanted him in the Griffey trade.
Well those of us who were talking about Nick Johnson can scratch him off our lists. He’s a hated Yankee now. And headaches were swapped as Silva was traded to the Cubs for Bradley.
Ned Colleti says the talks with Cincinnati are all but dead. http://twitter.com/dylanohernandez/statuses/6812238964
The Reds re-signed Lance Nix to a minor league deal. I don’t hate this, but I’m not a big fan. Nix’s slash lines were pretty subpar. I wouldn’t expect anything more than that next year. I don’t want him playing over Heisey or Frazier or even Francisco in LF.
Nix = Gomes/4
Nix might just be my least favorite Red since Reggie Taylor. Not because he’s *that* bad. He’s just an awfully unpleasant fellow to look at. (Sorry Laynce – you DO look tough).
I am not sure we have enough depth at SP to be dealing from strength. With Volquez out we already have one hole to fill. Trade Harang and you are really counting on Owings to step up or someone from AAA to make a serious jump.
Plus, who are we going to use the money we save to add? Here is the list of FA SS:
Shortstops
Alfredo Amezaga (32)
Eric Bruntlett (32)
Orlando Cabrera (35) – Type A, can’t be offered arb
Chris Gomez (39)
Nick Green (31)
Khalil Greene (30)
Jerry Hairston Jr. (34)
Miguel Tejada (36) – Type A, not offered arb
Anyone here enough of an improvement to give up Harang? And once you get past the obvious no chance guys on the LF list (Bay/Holliday/Damon) I would argue the story is pretty much the same at LF (I would argue Gomes is the most interesting guy on that list). I really hope I am wrong, but I am having trouble seeing this as anything but a salary dump, which again makes the Rolen acquisition seem difficult fit into any longer term plan.
@Chris: I tend to agree, but ti is only a minor league deal. My concern is that it seems to really reduce the chances of brining Gomes back, and of the two, I think Gomes is the better fit (even with the defense issues).
Dodgers signed Jamey Carrol, which would seem to make it easier to include Hu in any deal.
“unpleasant”? You mean facial features? Surprising criterion for evaluating players.
I think he looks like Disney’s Hercules.
And if we’re discussing looks, I’d take that over Jonny’s Big League Chew any day.
LA times calling the talks “dead”, for what that is worth…
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-newswire19-2009dec19,0,274715.story
I don’t like the idea of getting rid of both Harang and Arroyo, and if I had to pick one to trade, it would certainly be Arroyo.
You’ve got to get some major league talent in exchange for one of them, though.
@GRF: Or they could add a SS via trade.
Justcorbly said:
Michael on Arroyo: “Not sure if its the lack of pressure or because of his Cuban bloodlines, that he can’t pitch in cold weather? ”
And people wonder why the city of Cincinnati has a bad reputation?
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Nothing offensive about that, just an observation, and it might well be true. Lots of poor early season players and most are easily attributible to cold weather. If you or anyone reading that is offended, you skin is so thin you’ll probably bleed to death.
News flash, Cuba is warm in April, May and June, Cincinnati is not (well June is nice, but Arroyo’s pitching isn’t warmed up yet then apparently).
Stats don’t lie, he stinks in the first half and is above average in the second half. That makes him a slightly below average pitcher making a few million more per season than he should, but hey, Carlos Silva struck gold and he is much worse, so maybe Arroyo and his mid 4s ERA is underpaid?
Someone said he eats innings and is underappreciated. Hmm, I can eat innings and I would do it for the major league minimum and chances are my ERA would be around 7 or 8, maybe I would be very underappreciated to? Come on, innings are nice, but if you are going 6 innings or less, giving up 3 – 5 runs every start up until July, there is room for complaint.
The question is when is the last time LA or NYM have given up a decent player who has excelled after leaving?
@Michael: While 07-09 supports your argument, 05-06 do not. I think it has less to do with the weather and more to do with Arroyo’s offseason preparation.
Also talks of the Harang deal are back on. Per Jeff Passan, the Reds want George Sherrill plus a decent prospect because the Reds are willing to eat 10 million.
Per yahoo sports:
“And word from sources that the Los Angeles Dodgers’ pursuit of Aaron Harang(notes) is not, in fact, dead, and that a trade sending reliever George Sherrill(notes) to the Cincinnati Reds remains possible. The holdup: The Reds want a prospect of some merit from Los Angeles in addition to Sherrill – especially since Cincinnati is willing to eat nearly $10 million of Harang’s $14 million salary and thus keep the deal a financial wash for the skid-row Dodgers – and also need to find a taker for Sherrill. The former closer, who should earn about $4.3 million in arbitration, would serve as trade bait for the Reds, who want to hoard prospects.”
Why would the Reds do this at all, it would make now sense whatsoever. Unless they made it a three way deal with Sherrill automatically going somewhere else this is the dumbest thing I have heard.
To me, I just don’t understand trying to trade Harang to the Dodgers, their prospects bring little to no value for me…
Sounds like this Yahoo report is sourced within the Dodgers front office, meaning that they’d like to send Sherill to Cincinnati for Harang and a pile of cash but Jocketty prefers prospects.
What do you have against George Sherrill? 1.70 ERA, 1.12 WHIP and a 9/9 K/IP ration not good enough for you? If you could acquire Sherrill and flip CoCo you’d still have a pretty darn nice bullpen.
While I don’t necessarily agree with selling low on Harang, I’m probably in the minority of wanting to hang on to/extend Arroyo. I’ve got no problem with an Arroyo/Cueto/Bailey/etc. rotation…
@david: I have a problem if they would acquire Sherrill and then not flip either him or Coco. That would be a terrible move, IMO.
Sherrill might hold the title of closer, but he’s not all that. I’m actually suprised at his stats. From memory in Baltimore his ERA was seriously inflated. He is left handed, and a lefty at the back end of a bullpen is worth something. I wouldn’t mind flipping him quickly. I don’t think you could deal CoCo and get any value at this point. There are also a couple of teams who might need a lefty bullpen piece who could step in as a closer for short periods. That is a great job for Sherrill
One name is missing from all the talk here…I see that everyone is right about that Willy guy, lol…..and how about the person who came to town & said that Corey Patterson has to be the CF as he is ready to breakout…and got his way which kept ( you know who ) in the minors.
Dusty has to go !!!
With our owner + Walt + A Reds favorite as manager to get the city, fans, players excited, and has his heart and BRAIN into being a no nonsense LEADER + the good players we have + just maybe a few small moves = A weight of our shoulders, and a new optimism that not only do us Reds fans feel, but will be obvious to all that the Reds are set up from the top down not only to be contenders soon…but are on path to be a dominate team for the next decade !!!