I’m willing to take the risk.

McRae had more PA’s then McGwire. Patience and work ethic are McGwire’s strong points. McRae had 6 .300+ seasons. I won’t and can’t argue with Tony LaRussa logic. He wins rings, pennants and divisions.

McGwire’s only confirmed PED was Andro which was sold over the counter. Pitchers were/are using and hitters were/are using. Get over it.:twisted:

No, but PED’s can help turn fly outs into Home runs or gap doubles. Even at Mac’s height wasn’t his average like .240 or something?

Drew Nelson: PED’s can not help you hit a ball, I could take all the PED’s ever made and still couldn’t wouldn’t be able to hit a 95 mph fastball. Sure those who took it may have had the balls travel a little farther but didn’t pitchers who took them enable them to throw better?

I don’t think anybody ever contested Mark McGuire or Barry Bonds raised his batting average because of PED’s… shoot, I’m not getting into this, if you really think PED’s are fine, that’s yours to believe. I’m with River City and most of the world on this. Cheating is bad.

Every year in spring training, you hear stories out of every team’s camp about such-and-such a coach working with such-and-such a pitcher or hitter, and they’re working on X, and they’re very optimistic about the upcoming year!

And then, really, I’d say 97-98% of the time, the player just performs about the same as he always has once the season gets rolling.

Maybe I’m too much of a cynic, but I just don’t remember many cases at all of a coach working with a player, and then that player goes out and plays better than ever, and sustains it.

A couple pitchers’ career years on the Braves (Mazzone) and Cardinals (Duncan) do stand out, but I can’t come up w/ any others.

Drew Nelson: You can’t have great hitting with the hitters we have.During that time, can you name what great hitters we had?Yea we had/have some hitters with some punch, but how many true hitters were on the roster during that time?Were the BRM players great hitters because of the hitting coach or because they were just great hitters?

How many guys have come up and hit as well or better than in the minors while he has been there? How many guys tear the cover off the ball in the minor then struggle in the majors? Not all is on Jacoby but he is responsible to help hitters when the league catches up with them. It is his job to try to fix holes in someone’s swing, and it is his job to help someone get out of a slump. To me, from the outside, he really hasn’t done anything to show me that he has helped guys. Has he had some crappy players to deal with, absolutely, but when a guy is struggling you hear more of Dusty spending time with them than Jacoby. They made a mistake getting rid of Chambliss and making another one by keeping Jacoby too long…

Drew Nelson: How do PED’s make you a great hitter?

Balls hit that would be fly ball outs without PEDs are HRs with PEDs. Add just one a week and you go from being an avg/below avg hitter to a hall of famer.