Loading ...Reds match up with the Natinals again tonight at Great American Ballpark.
Lineup below the fold, with Paul Janish batting second. Good job by Walt Jocketty to get rid of Alex Gonzalez, but now Dusty Baker is going to do his best to make us dislike Janish. Why cant Dusty just put the bad hitters at the bottom of the lineup?
Discuss the game here.
Taveras CF
Janish SS
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Nix LF
Gomes RF
Rosales 3B
Tatum C
Harang P
Because Dusty doesn’t want to clog the bases in front of Votto and Phillips, Chad. Don’t you know? Clogging the bases is bad!
I just realized that since they’re playing the Nationals, the game will be on tv here tonight in DC
Whoo
Because in Dusty’s mind, [i]all[/i] SSs are supposed to be fleet of foot and good contact hitters who can move runners along.
Never mind actually checking to see if [b]your[/b] SS actually fits that description. Or for that matter, if you lead-off man can actually get on base.
Crap – used the wrong tags… so sue me, it’s Friday and I don’t care.
Janish wasn’t good enough to even play once a week but now that he is the everyday SS he bats second?
The only beings on this planet dumber than Baker are the ones who continue to employ him.
What would we prefer for the lineup?
We don’t have a #2 hitter on the team (activate roster). Don’t even think about considering Phillips a #2. In a decent lineup, he’s a #5 or 6; in ours, he’s a #3 or 4.
The Red Sox think they picked up a good defensive SS. Who are their scouts? The Reds broadcast team?
Well, if Hanigan was playing instead of Tatum I would bat him #2.
Why is Dickerson not starting tonight with a RHer on the mound for Washington? A bad RHer, at that.
Rolens still out with concussion-like symptoms, I presume, Is it normal for concussion symptoms to last nearly two weeks?
It’s tough to have your #2 hitter being a guy who only plays 7 of 10 games.
Not that I disagree, just saying.
I don’t think Rolen is eligible to come off the DL yet no?
Anyway, why does Ronnie Belliard have great stats against the Reds?
Morgan is a Riggleman-type player.
I have a question…What is there left to see in this lost cause season that would be incouraging leading into 2010?
I think the only thing that would be really incouraging would be for Jay Bruce to come back for the last 25 games and get his average over .225 and hit a few out of the ballpark.
Other than that and Votto getting it together and competing for a Batting title, I think there’s nothing really to look forward to.
whoo! we’re not the only team that makes baserunning blunders
It’s funny Dickerson isn’t playing tonight because Dusty’s reasoning for playing him on Tuesday was because Dickerson hit better than Taveras against RHs.
Nice job by the Reds defense up the middle right there. Janish completely faked out Morgan. That was pretty funny, actually.
The Gonzalez trade already paying dividends for us.
i’m looking forward to some young guys getting some playing time (though if Dusty has anything to say about it, they won’t)
Jim, Rolen’s on the DL. Concussion symptoms can last from 2 weeks to several months.
Multiple concussions can be very serious, the person ends up like Farney.
Has Rolen had multiple concussions?
Jeff Brantley: “You can’t teach intestinal fortitude.”
It doesn’t get any better than Brantley and Grande calling the action.
Taveras walks. Check the sky tonight.
Taveras works a walk ? Let’s see some havoc ….
haha I’m getting the MASN team in DC so I’m actually watching the game without the mute button on
Yep, it’s Dusty with the dyslexic line up…Paul Janish at the top of line up and Gomes batting 6th, Hanigan on the bench (head shaking)…I’ll look forward to 2011
I notice Brantley and Grande are avoiding mentioning that Hanigan will be back on the bench as soon as Hernandez returns.
Dickerson leading off, playing CF
I have Sutton playing every day batting 2nd, playing 2nd base.
Phillips would play SS the rest of the year.
actually I stand corrected… they are praising Willy Taveras here… can we trade him to the Nationals?
Taveras’s first walk in almost a month (July 19th)
I think the Reds should move Dusty to the front office. He could be Director of Parking Places or some other important job like that.
oh my, the MASN team is praising Alex Gonzalez too! well one guy was, this other guy says no the Red Sox would have been better getting Christian Guzman…
I actually can agree with Brantley rambling about base stealers needing to have gonads.
What ever happened to the BloSox going after Guzman? I thought that was a done deal.
man Votto hasn’t looked good out at the plate for a long time, I hope he figures it out soon
Brantley really sticking it to Taveras.
not sure, Guzman wasn’t claimed I guess or maybe the Nats didn’t put him on waivers? He also has a large contract too
Votto will probably get some days off with Barker called up.
that was a bad strikeout by Phillips
Taveras is a joke.
Rolen has not had a previous concussion, as far as I know.
Is there a single thing Taveras does well (besides making outs)?
What happened to Taveras’ gonads ?
If Rolen has had no previous concussions, it makes this all the more strange but again we are talking about that crack Reds medical team.
haha I forgot that Rob Dibble is one of the Nat’s announcers this year
Pinson, I think he left them in Colorado. That or the Rocky Mountain air made him more aggressive.
Sort of an excuse me double there.
he’s actually better than the Cowboy
nice hit by Gomes
Going into this game, Mock’s WHIP is 1.96.
If Rosales had a concussion, would he know it?
Tatum has a higher OBP than Taveras.
Too bad Gomes is hitting so low in the order. They might as well just walk him all nite.
(51) Farney didn’t know. After a concussion, he said he didn’t know for sure if he’d had one before, but probably had 5 or 6. The first one when he was 3 and tried to fly off the roof of his house.
I thought they said this was Rolen’s 4th concussion.
Brantley: “If you don’t have the horse, you can’t run the race.”
But if you run your best horses and you run them in the right order, you’ll run a better race and win a few more than you would otherwise.
If it was Rolen’s 4th bump on the noggin then it all makes much more sense.
Pretty good play by Nix. He’s looked awfully good defensively lately.
Rolen said he got a concussion once while pole vaulting in high school
Wow, great play by Zimmerman there.
Of course, he’s a UVa guy, so I’m not surprised.
yikes! great throw by Zimmerman
Hey Dusty is going to stick up for Willy lol
What was Brantley saying about Taveras, Jim?
I have the Nationals feed here.
Anyone think we could trade Rolen, Taveras and Dusty Baker to the Nats for Zimmerman and Riggleman?
Votto looks like he’s pressing a lot
Re: Is there a single thing Taveras does well?
He’s an OK base stealer. This season just above the 67% success rate to make it worth it
and despite all our bashing of his defense (which is valid) his pure speed means he actually does cover lots of ground so his defense is at the very least average or slightly above average. Sure he takes terrible routes, has a terrible arm, and misjudges balls over his head but overall he’s not a horrible defender. It’s clear he has a tool (speed) but doesn’t know how to play defense but his speed is good enough to be handy in CF
I wonder how many starters with 6+ ERAs have shut the Reds down this season.
Seems like half the nights we are facing some guy with a high ERA and he shuts us down.
last inning the Nationals broadcast showed Dunn’s homerun that supposedly made it into Kentucky.
haha that was nice to see again. I was in RF once when he hit one to the top row in RF nearly clearing the ballpark
Rolen said he got a concussion once while pole vaulting in high school
I think Rolen could have a concussion walking the dog.
Chad, Brantley was taking Taveras to task during the 1st inning for not being an aggressive base stealer. He said if a ballplayer is afraid of being thrown out then they are not a good base stealer regardless of how fast they are.
damn… Belliard’s stats against the Reds are way too good
Reds are getting one hit by this guy? They must hate Harang.
Belliard with the game winner. Reds offense always lowers themselves to the quality of pitcher they are facing. When they face a bad pitcher like tonight, they shift into “UTOS” aka Ultra-This Offense Stinks.
Mad Hatter, it’s not like Riggleman has been unavailable. No one wanted anything to do with the Whitey Herzog protégé after his Cubs disaster.
Crap! I mean “hasn’t been available.”
whoo Harang gets on base!
If I was an opposing pitcher against the Reds and saw the lineup I would jump for joy
Taveras, Janish, Rosales, Tatum and Harang
That’s OPS+es of
45, 47, 63, 31 and 0
and it’s more than half the lineup
plus Nix hasn’t hit for 2 months
I’m watching the Bengals anyways. But one hit, that’s all we got is one G** Damned hit??
wow.. what a horrible pitch to swing at but he got lucky
Oh my god! The Nats announcers just said that the only bad thing right now is that Harang is going to clog the bases for Taveras!!!
Mark Berry is a strong challenger for being dumber than Dusty Baker and Walt Jocketty.
I hate you, Mark Berry.
why the hell do you send Harang on that!?!?!
I guess he didn’t want to clog the bases with Votto coming up
why, mark berry? why?!?!?!?!?!?!
and very few times in Reds history have the Reds had so many players on their rosters hit SOOOO bad. Sure 1914 had tons and tons of bad hitters…..but in the last 50 years only 10 of the teams have had this many stiffs and most of them were not starters.
Take your pick…
2009 8 Willy Taveras / Alex Gonzalez / Adam Rosales / Paul Janish / Darnell McDonald / Drew Sutton / Craig Tatum / Danny Richar
2008 8 Corey Patterson / Paul Bako / Paul Janish / Scott Hatteberg / Norris Hopper / Adam Rosales / Wilkin Castillo / Danny Richar
2005 8 Ray Olmedo / D’Angelo Jimenez / Aaron Holbert / William Bergolla / Luis Lopez / Miguel Perez / Andy Machado / Dane Sardinha
1997 8 Bret Boone / Pokey Reese / Curtis Goodwin / Brook Fordyce / Eric Owens / Pat Watkins / Aaron Boone / Pete Rose
and here are the big ones
1988 11 Dave Collins / Bo Diaz / Dave Concepcion / Herm Winningham / Terry McGriff / Eddie Milner / Leo Garcia / Buddy Bell / Ron Roenicke / Van Snider / Marty Brown
2003 10 Reggie Taylor / Ray Olmedo / Ruben Mateo / Felipe Lopez / Brandon Larson / Stephen Smitherman / Eric Valent / Mark Budzinski / Jim Chamblee / Dane Sardinha
1993 10 Jeff Branson / Dan Wilson / Greg Tubbs / Tim Costo / Cesar Hernandez / Willie Greene / Tommy Gregg / Brian Koelling / Keith Hughes / Keith Gordon
I understand that Berry has been around now for a long time, but how many other 3rd base coaches make bad decisions as often as he does…
Mark Berry has something on somebody, how esle could he keep his job?
Brantley, Grande, and Day talking about George’s book that he takes to all games and keeps notes in. Are they notes about baseball players or the like? No, they are notes about where to eat, visit, etc. Sums the guy up pretty well.
I don’t care how many times Votto has struck out in the game, you don’t send a slow pitcher from third base. You keep the bases loaded for your best hitter. Especially when the starting pitcher seems like he’s on the ropes.
Good hit for Janish, though.
Can we just clean house next year from manager to coaches to training staff?
oh and that 2005 team brought up some bad memories lol
you know Votto isn’t the only Red that could use a day off
Phillips has been struggling pretty bad and also looks tired
Chad, your boy Klinker has a 1 hitter through 7 with 9 K’s.
I haven’t been to GABP this year yet but is there still a Mr Red and a Mr Redlegs? because if there is Rob Dibble has no idea about it
Matt, I’d love to see that 2005 offense right now.
Mr. Red and Mrs. Redlegs still exist.
Sending Harang there was a very poor decision. Harang cannot run, Votto was up next, and you could get Harang hurt.
well I know there’s a Rosie Red but I thought there was a Mr Red (no mustache) and a Mr Redlegs (mustache) too
haha yeah there were at least some good players on that team…
what is the worst offense in Red’s history?
Are we coming close?
Grande: “It’ll stay in the park.”
Gomes catches in 20 feet in front of the warning track.
George has some serious depth perception issues.
I’d trade Willy T. for Ray Olmedo straight up.
If they had a Willy Taveras bobblehead night, how many would end up in the trash cans at the ballpark?
if we had the 2005 offense this year we’d be running away with the division
It’s the 3rd best Reds offense since the BRM (1994 & 95 were probably better)
with Dunn, Jr, Lopez, LaRue/Valentin, Randa, Freel, Casey and Kearns the team could afford to carry a couple offensive stiffs, which they did
lets see
Taveras
Dickerson
Votto
Phillips
Bruce
EE
Hernandez
Gonzo
note: surprisingly the above lineup is the most common lineup for the Reds this season.
vs
Lopez
Aurilia
Casey
Griffey
Randa
Dunn
Pena
LaRue
I’d trade Willy T. for Ray Olmedo straight up.
I trade Taveras for a photo of Ray Olmedo straight up.
Actually, I trade Taveras for a stick drawing of Ray Olmedo straight up.
#102. I’d greenlight that trade.
Not even Ray Olmedo 2005 …. Ray Olmedo today. What ever he’s doing. Get him a uni
Jim, there are a whole lot of managers that are available (MacKanin for one) that I would happily “trade” Dusty Baker for. But I would still love to have Zimmerman playing third base.
some bad luck on that line drive… right at Dunn
c’mon Gomes, get Nix in
Berry killed a potential big inning.
Woulda – Coulda – Shoulda
speaking of terrible Reds
Ron Villone warming up in the bullpen
What’s the chances Tatum can get a big hit here?
Why not bat Hanigan here?
Awful.
ugh….
so many chances
Dagnabbit…too many missed opportunities. :-((
Matt, I saw Vallone beat Randy Johnson years ago.
TV hijacked by wife.
there’s the insurance run
Villone actually have more wins with the Reds than any other team he’s played on lol
haha MASN is already talking about their postgame show and what they’re going to be talking about
Matt threw 7 1/3 shutout innings for the Bats tonight. Glad I didn’t go, I swear I’m bad ju-ju when he pitches.
Janish!
good play by Janish
Matt, you ask my favorite sort of question
“what is the worst offense in Red’s history?
Are we coming close?”
lets take a look
First, since 1980 the current seasons looks to be the worst. The only season close is 1982
here are RC/G compared to league average
RUNS CREATED/GAME YEAR DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE
1 Reds 2009 -.92 4.11 5.04
2 Reds 1982 -.80 3.62 4.42
3 Reds 2003 -.70 4.45 5.15
a slightly better comparison is EQA
.243 2009 (tied for worst in baseball)
.247 1982 (23rd in baseball)
.252 2003 (23rd in baseball)
so far the 2009 offense is the worst Reds offense in the last 30 years
looking at the last 50 years the above 3 offenses, 2009, 2003 and 1982 are still the 3 worst
we are halfway, how far back do we have to go to find a Reds offense worse than this year?
oh! possibly 1950 and 51
RUNS CREATED/GAME YEAR DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE
1 Reds 1951 -1.32 3.69 5.00
2 Reds 2009 -.92 4.11 5.04
3 Reds 1950 -.89 4.41 5.30
4 Reds 1982 -.80 3.62 4.42
5 Reds 2003 -.70 4.45 5.15
EQA
.235 1951 (worst in baseball)
.243 2009 (tied for worst in baseball)
.247 1982 (23rd in baseball)
.248 1950 (14th out of 16 teams)
.252 2003 (23rd in baseball)
so it looks like the 1951 offense was worse
the 30s and 40s were some really dark years for the Reds it looks like a lot of the 1940s offenses were also worse.
there is no chance of this season being the worst in Reds history mainly because the Reds have such a long history and baseball was so different
but it’s the worst offense since 1951
I don’t know what the lineup was in 1951 but looking at the starters only 2 had an OPS+ over 95. Connie Ryan 2B (97 OPS+) and Johnny Wyrostek OF (105 OPS+)
the same can be said for this season. Phillips 2B (100 OPS+) and Votto 1B (143 OPS+)
Gomes only has 188 PA and might be a regular now but remember, the guy not only didn’t make the roster but never played when he first got called up.
So, not the worst in Reds history but the worst Reds offense in modern baseball
Haha thanks Mike, some of this can obviously be blamed on injuries but still, when we throw WillyT out there every day leading off followed by someone else terrible we’re not going to have a good offense.
well at least I laughed tonight
“I trade Taveras for a photo of Ray Olmedo straight up.”
1st try and push harder in this trade…shoot for a photo of Pokey!
later someone mention trying to get the actual player Olmedo (where ever he is) for Taveras. Well, he plays for the TB AAA team. He still doesn’t hit and he’s only 28
hmm…tough choice for me as GM as to which of these Reds I’d want a photo of in trade for Taveras
Olmedo? Castro? Reese? Stillwell? Foley?, Lenny Harris?!?, or Wilton Guerrero?
Matt I’m not sure much of it can be blamed on injuries.
Where have injuries hurt this offense?
the loss of Bruce and Votto and EE/Rolen
but every team has injuries. We’d have to go back and look at 1982 and 1951 and see what injuries they had.
but injuries didn’t really hit us in CF and SS our two weakest hitting positions
Here’s what I don’t understand: To Dusty Baker, Paul Janish is SO BAD that he can’t see the field. The Reds had the worst SS in baseball, and Janish got all of 25 AB since July 1.
YET TONIGHT, when he has no choice but to play Paul Janish, Dusty bats him second.
One day (season) a guy can’t crack the lineup, the next he’s batting at the top of the order. Another news flash to Dusty: Like Gonzalez, Janish is slow.
I would even take a photo of Willie McGee for Taveras.
oh yeah I’m not trying to excuse our offense because of injury, just saying that I didn’t expect our team to be this bad coming into the year.
ok here’s the verdict, Rob Dibble is just as bad as the Cowboy
How many plays has Janish made tonight that AG wouldn’t have? At least two.
alright well I’m giving up on the team tonight
Those crazies in Boston think they getting the old Gonzalez, and he wasn’t all that great.
Do you put Hanigan in for Tatum and hit Balentien in the #9 spot?
I’d sure take the Cowboy ANYDAY on TV or the radio over George Grande.
Brantley really isn’t that bad to listen to. At least he criticizes the players when they play like bums. Thom Brennamen does that same thing, and I’ve even heard Chris Welsh do it a lot this year. That’s what needs to be heard! Not a bunch of excuses of why someone made a stupid blunder in the field or can’t hit the ball.
Dusty just isn’t doing anything right now that makes sense. Every move is questionable, and his lineups have to be the most IGNORANT in baseball. At this point, you fire a manager. Dusty just can’t coach this team – he doesn’t have the players that can make up for his inconsistencies like he did in Chicago and San Francisco.
Only 2 hits, but Wood is getting hit pretty hard in the first couple innings in Louisville tonight
There’s 3 and the Bats are down 2-0