it may be a fine matchup if harang has the same stuff as the last outing. looks like Cain has finally put it all together. its quite possible another low-scoring contest like yesterdays game. Maybe Votto breaks out of his slump today and Wladimir stays hot.
Matt B – be nice. For all Weathers faults, always felt like he tried his best, cared about the team and seemed to help the youngs as best he could. he may have been put in spots beyond his abilities at times but never seemed to give an excuse.
Yeah, I know. Weathers wasn’t a bad pitcher, but I don’t think he had much business being on the Reds. My sarcasm in #5, though, is more attributed to being frustrated with the front office than Weathers himself.
Nice shot by Phillips!
And holy crap, George pronounced Jocketty correctly again!
David Weathers gave this team some good years. I really think he liked Cincinnati. If our young bullpen breaks down next year many here may miss the old guy.
The Weathers move might not be the last. According to MLBtraderumors.com the Dodgers are now looking for another starter. Could we say good bye to Harang or Arroyo soon?
Of course, no one on base for BP’s home run. Usual job of table setting by WT and AG. Taveras still trying to get the ball out of the infield for the first time in the SF series.
This was probably the last time we would ever get anything for weathers. Probably a meaningless trade in the long run, I doubt we got a world beater in return.
Maybe we will get an A level pitcher who can lead us to the world series
If I am dusty baker – I would have every starter in the game today. Aaron Harang has to look at this lineup and think “shutout”. We haven’t been able to score runs for him all year, and then we throw out this terrible lineup?
Well Hanigan did need a day off. Rolen is probably getting a cat scan. Janish is probably Weather’s replacement in the bullpen. I wish the crazy rumor of Janish in LF last game had been true. It would have just summed up DustyLand so perfectly.
I’m watching the game at my wife’s preschool. They have plasma flat screens (I guess kids need to see Barney in HD these days) but the cable reception is absolutely horrid. They also have the closed captioning on the TV that I’m watching. I wonder if the person typing has macros for all of George Grande’s sayings? Command+Shift+Control+S = Sunny side of the scoreboard (probably dust of the keys for that one lately).
Harang is looking like trade bait, big-time. I for one would miss him — but I bet he’d love to pitch for a team with some offense. (consistent offense, not totally shocking like today)
Maybe it should be Janish. Not because he can’t contribute to the big league club, but so he can actually get some ABs this year. He has 98 plate appearances this entire year. How is that good for any 27 year old player?
I would expect the return for Weathers to be comparable to what we got for Hairston. Both are FAs are the end of the year, so don’t expect anything big coming back. It’s a good move by the club though. Basically get something for nothing.
REDS1 – That’s not what I’m saying. I think Weathers has value and is a solid reliever. However, since this season is, in effect, over for us AND he is a free agent at the end of this year, he has little value for this team the remainder of this year. Therefore, you are trading a player with basically no value for this team to a team where he has value and getting something that may have of value in the future in return. Additionally, as Glenn stated, we are also saving money on Weathers salary this year. This isn’t a knock on Weathers…just a good business decision.
As of right now you’re going to have 3 guys to add to the 40-man (With Bray, Volquez & Richar going on the 60-day DL).
I would assume Stubbs would be one guy so then you’ve got 2 spots for…?
Possibilities: Heisey, Dorn, Frazier, Cozart, Kennard, Ondrusek, Valaika, Barker, McDonald
Absolutely Glenn…the ironic thing is that the money they are saving this year on his contract will make it easier to sign a FA reliever, such as Weathers, for 2010.
Mike – I don’t expect that Janish is the long term solutions at SS, but I KNOW that Gonzalez is not. That’s why it’s frustrating that Gonzalez is taking PT from Janish. The knock on Janish is his offense. Only 98 PAs isn’t going to help improve his offense. Now, if a young SS that may be the long term solution is taking PT from Janish, I’m absolutely fine with that. Unfortunately, that isn’t the case.
Harang should have never came out for the 8th. He’s not the same pitcher once he’s hit that 100 pitches. Harang used to be a horse but not what he used to be.
With the trade for Rolen I don’t think Harang and Arroyo are going anywhere. Move Phillips to SS, Frazier at 2B and sign a LF and get rid of Taveras for Stubbs/Heisey and this team could contend (if they stay healthy and get breaks). It’s not like we are in the AL East.
It’s not that I hate the Rolen trade in a vacuum (thought they clearly overpaid). It’s the timing – why couldn’t they make that deal in the off-season? Hell, EE’s numbers (and value) could only improve.
It’s just not going to happen, and that’s the most discouraging thing. It stinks because this team CANNOT win with a .270 OBP leadoff man. And it stinks more because the team’s management apparently doesn’t recognize, or admit that simple truth.
We’re putting a lot of faith in Stubbs’, Fraizer and Heisey’s minor league numbers. I realize that if Stubbs just showed up for most games he’d put better numbers on the board that Tavaras, but will that be enough to contend. Minor league sucess doesn’t always translate to the bigs.
Chris, There is no other leadoff guy on this roster right now. When Dickerson comes back there will be a decision to make but right now WT’s the guy. He stinks but he’s the leadoff guy.
Long time Reds fan now living in the Bay area and have also become a Giants fan. Went to Friday nights game and watched this one on tv. They played very well in the series and the Giants commentators are saying positive things about the Reds. Bailey going toe to toe with Lincecum was great fun to watch and listen to the catching mitts popped. Harang throwing well today was also nice to see. I agree with many of you who want the kids brought up and seasoned a bit. Hope it happens.
The reason you trade for Rolen and dump Weathers is (a) Rolen is good, Weathers is so-so, (b) the Reds have plenty of young relief pitchers who can replace Weathers, but EE was not cutting it at 3B.
We’re putting a lot of faith in Stubbs’, Fraizer and Heisey’s minor league numbers. I realize that if Stubbs just showed up for most games he’d put better numbers on the board that Tavaras, but will that be enough to contend. Minor league sucess doesn’t always translate to the bigs.
They translate better than you might think (unless, of course, we are talking about a 30-year-old minor leaguer.
Surprised that the EE fan club hasn’t brought up that he is off to a 5-24 start with no RBIs for the Blue Jays. Didn’t he get two hits in his first game? He has also already committed an error.
There’s no telling what trades could or could not have been made. I don’t know, you don’t know. We’ll never know.
My point is that as this roster currently stands, there are no leadoff hitters except W.T. on this team. None of the players you mentioned have ever been leadoff hitters.
Rosales and Nix are struggling to hit over .240. Hannigan hasn’t hit worth a darn in the last couple of weeks and Balentin is driving in some runs these days. I wouldn’t move him out of the fifth spot in the order.
Dusty’s just doing the best he can with the players WJ has given him. WJ signed a box of lemons. This club has huge holes in it. Leadoff hitter is just one of those holes.
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it may be a fine matchup if harang has the same stuff as the last outing. looks like Cain has finally put it all together. its quite possible another low-scoring contest like yesterdays game. Maybe Votto breaks out of his slump today and Wladimir stays hot.
Go (2010) Reds!
Weathers to Breweres for PTBNL. You’re lucky day, Chad.
Boy that was bad typing. Brewers and your; not Breweres and you’re.
Yep Haudricourt confirms… Hmmm… The Brewers now have two former Reds relievers.
Oh gosh, I can’t wait to see the return the Reds got for Weathers. Must be huge.
I guess Weathers just didn’t bring the veteran leadership that the Reds wanted.
Matt B – be nice.
For all Weathers faults, always felt like he tried his best, cared about the team and seemed to help the youngs as best he could. he may have been put in spots beyond his abilities at times but never seemed to give an excuse.
Yeah, I know. Weathers wasn’t a bad pitcher, but I don’t think he had much business being on the Reds. My sarcasm in #5, though, is more attributed to being frustrated with the front office than Weathers himself.
Nice shot by Phillips!
And holy crap, George pronounced Jocketty correctly again!
David Weathers gave this team some good years. I really think he liked Cincinnati. If our young bullpen breaks down next year many here may miss the old guy.
Is Cain’s glove yellow?!
Too bad no one was on for that shot by BP!
The Weathers move might not be the last. According to MLBtraderumors.com the Dodgers are now looking for another starter. Could we say good bye to Harang or Arroyo soon?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/08/dodgers-move-in-the-works.html
Sigh, back to Jockertty for George.
Is Burton ready to come back? If he is, I assume that’s who is going to take Weathers’ spot.
Personally I hate to see him go. I hope for the Reds sake that it’s not a mistake
Well, it is ok we have a bunch of young relief pitchers ready to take his place.
Oh wait…
I agree #12.
Yeah, according to Fay, Burton is coming back.
It will be interesting to see how successful the bullpen is next year. I don’t think it will be as good especially if they do unload Cordero.
The Stormy era is over. Maybe they will call up Reonicke. :p Oh, wait! They traded him.
Of course, no one on base for BP’s home run. Usual job of table setting by WT and AG. Taveras still trying to get the ball out of the infield for the first time in the SF series.
Those road numbers for Harang don’t make me feel very good.
If the Nationals stay hot, the Reds have a shot of having the worst record in baseball by season’s end.
In the midst of a very long drive today to a work conference. Checked in and saw the comments about the trade.
Thanks, guys. You’ve made my day.
I think I’m going to cry. They finally got rid of Weathers. If Gonzalez goes back under .200, I probably will cry.
This was probably the last time we would ever get anything for weathers. Probably a meaningless trade in the long run, I doubt we got a world beater in return.
Maybe we will get an A level pitcher who can lead us to the world series
I don’t know if Taveras will get back down to his season low BA of .219 but he is just .003 points shy of his season low OBP of .270.
I hope Harang gets on so we can get past the #1 spot for next inning.
Lineup question:
If I am dusty baker – I would have every starter in the game today. Aaron Harang has to look at this lineup and think “shutout”. We haven’t been able to score runs for him all year, and then we throw out this terrible lineup?
No wonder he only gets ~3 runs a game.
Well Hanigan did need a day off. Rolen is probably getting a cat scan. Janish is probably Weather’s replacement in the bullpen. I wish the crazy rumor of Janish in LF last game had been true. It would have just summed up DustyLand so perfectly.
Y-City.
I wonder why dusty didn’t give hanigan the game off when Homer was pitching. Getting a win for Harang would be huge (has it been 2 months?).
This lineup is just terrible without Rolen, Bruce, Dickerson, Hanigan.
Looked like Ball 4 right there.
Oh, darn. Willy almost took a walk!
Ugh, computer says last pitch was low, but at least he saw some pitches.
Willy won’t take a pitch for a week after that.
I’m watching the game at my wife’s preschool. They have plasma flat screens (I guess kids need to see Barney in HD these days) but the cable reception is absolutely horrid. They also have the closed captioning on the TV that I’m watching. I wonder if the person typing has macros for all of George Grande’s sayings? Command+Shift+Control+S = Sunny side of the scoreboard (probably dust of the keys for that one lately).
Just a bit outside.
Wow, that was a rocket by Rosales.
Adam Rosales!
Harang must be wondering what wonderful thing he has done to get 4 runs to work with.
Nothing embarassing about hustling out of the batters box.
this is the 1st time Harang has gotten more than 3 runs scored for him while he’s still in the game since May 30th!!!!!!
“It’s like a dream come true!” :emotion:
Weathers-Also says the Reds can take cash instead of a player. Could go to the Scott Rolen fund.
Harang is looking like trade bait, big-time. I for one would miss him — but I bet he’d love to pitch for a team with some offense. (consistent offense, not totally shocking like today)
That’s havoc.
Think Rosales could work as a bench bat? He probably does not hit enough to play 1b/3b regularly, but I like his style.
W.T. is “a weapon” ???
If they dump Harang too our pitching staff could be pretty scary next year.
Can BP stay out of the DP?
Dang! The dynamic duo gets on back-to-back!
When the moon is in the Seventh House
And Jupiter aligns with Mars
Then peace will guide the planets
And love will steer the stars
W.T. is “a weapon” ???
He’s a cap gun.
Wow, that throw ranks up there with the worst of all time.
WT is a weapon in the Plaxico sense.
Cain must be serving up pumpkins in there.
Well, the Giants’ talking heads don’t watch him every day like we get to –
W.T., I mean
They really need to redefine the error rule. Of course, if they do that then they need real official scorers as well.
Quality start by Arroyo, and Harang is having a gem. C’mon baby start to convince people you are worth trading for.
Who goes down when Dickerson comes back?
Man does Harang look good.
Balentein is having a nice little run as well.
In my mind it should be Sutton, this guy who’s still kinda young isn’t getting any better by sitting on the bench.
Fay is reporting that Alonso had to be shut down after two at-bats in his rehab start. He’s back on the DL now. Not good.
Maybe it should be Janish. Not because he can’t contribute to the big league club, but so he can actually get some ABs this year. He has 98 plate appearances this entire year. How is that good for any 27 year old player?
I wonder who the PTBNL will actually turn out to be?
I would expect the return for Weathers to be comparable to what we got for Hairston. Both are FAs are the end of the year, so don’t expect anything big coming back. It’s a good move by the club though. Basically get something for nothing.
Nice grab by Balentien. I’ve been pleasantly surprised by him thus far.
I’ll bet clearing up some payroll entered into it too.
Nice job getting out of that inning.
Who’s going to play SS now?
DW had some classy comments on the way out today. I appreciate that in a player.
I wonder if the Ump is not tossing him because he knows it would be on-balance better for the reds if AGon was tossed.
I would disagree with the statement that Weathers was nothing. He has definitely been an above average pitcher the last 4 years.
Now obviously he can’t keep this up forever. But I would say the Brewers got a nice pickup for the remainder of the season.
looked like he got backdoored too, had no clue it was coming
Too bad Gonzalez didn’t go off Milton Bradley style and get suspended for a few days.
Todd Frazier just hit a go ahead 3-run homer in the top of the 9th for Carolina.
That was a wicked pitch.
Does Frazier have a chance of getting a September call up?
Everyone at Louisville has a chance. Especially how this season’s gone.
AB I’m not worried about Janish not getting PA. He’s not a prospect and is not in the Reds future cept maybe as a defensive replacement.
REDS1 – That’s not what I’m saying. I think Weathers has value and is a solid reliever. However, since this season is, in effect, over for us AND he is a free agent at the end of this year, he has little value for this team the remainder of this year. Therefore, you are trading a player with basically no value for this team to a team where he has value and getting something that may have of value in the future in return. Additionally, as Glenn stated, we are also saving money on Weathers salary this year. This isn’t a knock on Weathers…just a good business decision.
Joey can’t buy a hit right now.
Good to see Votto hit a line drive. We’ll need his bat in St. Louis.
Who knows? DW might be back again next year as a FA….just saying.
As of right now you’re going to have 3 guys to add to the 40-man (With Bray, Volquez & Richar going on the 60-day DL).
I would assume Stubbs would be one guy so then you’ve got 2 spots for…?
Possibilities: Heisey, Dorn, Frazier, Cozart, Kennard, Ondrusek, Valaika, Barker, McDonald
Absolutely Glenn…the ironic thing is that the money they are saving this year on his contract will make it easier to sign a FA reliever, such as Weathers, for 2010.
nah, the Reds won’t pay him what he’ll be able to get somewhere else
Nice day for Adam.
You bring Harang out for thr 8th?
Mike – I don’t expect that Janish is the long term solutions at SS, but I KNOW that Gonzalez is not. That’s why it’s frustrating that Gonzalez is taking PT from Janish. The knock on Janish is his offense. Only 98 PAs isn’t going to help improve his offense. Now, if a young SS that may be the long term solution is taking PT from Janish, I’m absolutely fine with that. Unfortunately, that isn’t the case.
The bad feeling is starting again.
Once Harang hits that 100 pitch mark he starts to get in trouble.
I get scared everytime Masset comes in lately
Good call GRF.
Good job Masset!
Ok I got scared for nothing this time
Harang should have never came out for the 8th. He’s not the same pitcher once he’s hit that 100 pitches. Harang used to be a horse but not what he used to be.
Question: Why are they trading veteran leaders away this week, when we were trading FOR them last week?
One heck of a great question Chris.
With the trade for Rolen I don’t think Harang and Arroyo are going anywhere. Move Phillips to SS, Frazier at 2B and sign a LF and get rid of Taveras for Stubbs/Heisey and this team could contend (if they stay healthy and get breaks). It’s not like we are in the AL East.
It’s not that I hate the Rolen trade in a vacuum (thought they clearly overpaid). It’s the timing – why couldn’t they make that deal in the off-season? Hell, EE’s numbers (and value) could only improve.
Outstanding!
So, can we win eight straight like the Nats??
Maybe we do keep the loss total under 100. Nice game all the way around by the Reds.
How many times is he going to smiling scoreboard?
Smilin’ side is still sweet, even as discouraged as I am (and I’m sure they are too)
get rid of Taveras
It’s just not going to happen, and that’s the most discouraging thing. It stinks because this team CANNOT win with a .270 OBP leadoff man. And it stinks more because the team’s management apparently doesn’t recognize, or admit that simple truth.
We’re putting a lot of faith in Stubbs’, Fraizer and Heisey’s minor league numbers. I realize that if Stubbs just showed up for most games he’d put better numbers on the board that Tavaras, but will that be enough to contend. Minor league sucess doesn’t always translate to the bigs.
Willy & Gonzo at the top and Votto slumping and we are winning games?????????
Chris, There is no other leadoff guy on this roster right now. When Dickerson comes back there will be a decision to make but right now WT’s the guy. He stinks but he’s the leadoff guy.
Long time Reds fan now living in the Bay area and have also become a Giants fan. Went to Friday nights game and watched this one on tv. They played very well in the series and the Giants commentators are saying positive things about the Reds. Bailey going toe to toe with Lincecum was great fun to watch and listen to the catching mitts popped. Harang throwing well today was also nice to see. I agree with many of you who want the kids brought up and seasoned a bit. Hope it happens.
Why, Glenn? “Because he’s fast” would be Dusty’s answer, but that’s not sensible.
Hanigan, Balentin, Nix, Rosales – any of those guys would be better than WT.
Or they could’ve traded Roenicke and Stewart for a veteran CF.
Maybe they tried, maybe nobody was offering up a veteran CF for Roenicke and Stewart
The reason you trade for Rolen and dump Weathers is (a) Rolen is good, Weathers is so-so, (b) the Reds have plenty of young relief pitchers who can replace Weathers, but EE was not cutting it at 3B.
I bet they could’ve gotten Vernon Wells or Gary Matthews.
bet all you want, we’ll probly never know
We’re putting a lot of faith in Stubbs’, Fraizer and Heisey’s minor league numbers. I realize that if Stubbs just showed up for most games he’d put better numbers on the board that Tavaras, but will that be enough to contend. Minor league sucess doesn’t always translate to the bigs.
They translate better than you might think (unless, of course, we are talking about a 30-year-old minor leaguer.
If they traded those two for either one of those guys everybody still would have went ballistic.
When I said get rid of Taveras I meant just don’t play him. I don’t care if he rots on the bench and is used as a pinch runner/bunter.
The biggest value EE has is on this board.
Surprised that the EE fan club hasn’t brought up that he is off to a 5-24 start with no RBIs for the Blue Jays. Didn’t he get two hits in his first game? He has also already committed an error.
There’s no telling what trades could or could not have been made. I don’t know, you don’t know. We’ll never know.
My point is that as this roster currently stands, there are no leadoff hitters except W.T. on this team. None of the players you mentioned have ever been leadoff hitters.
Rosales and Nix are struggling to hit over .240. Hannigan hasn’t hit worth a darn in the last couple of weeks and Balentin is driving in some runs these days. I wouldn’t move him out of the fifth spot in the order.
Dusty’s just doing the best he can with the players WJ has given him. WJ signed a box of lemons. This club has huge holes in it. Leadoff hitter is just one of those holes.
“I bet they could’ve gotten Vernon Wells or Gary Matthews.”
That’s a BIG range in talent and productivity, IMHO.