This team is impossible…how can a team crumble like this? I tried to cut my cable off because the season is over but they offered it to me at a lower rate so I’m stuck :poke:
really harang? the padres? this was not the reds team i expected this to happen to. i actually thought they hada decent shot this year. best in a long time at least.
Do the pitchers not have a plan when they go out there? Are they not warming up? Is the other team’s hitting plan vastly superior? It’s like watching a 1 inning game usually.
people currently on the reds that i want to be on the reds next year:
cueto
volquez
bailey
votto
ede
bruce
gomes
hannigan
cordero
masset
that’s 10. there’re a few like carlos fisher that i don’t really have a problem with, but could go either way.
then there’s the group of decent players like harang and phillips that i’m just tired of. sure the big man was good at one point, but after all his bitching and moaning about run support, he sure isn’t producing.
does the whole team get to beat up the dugout tonight?
Taveras has batted leadoff in 20 games in which he didn’t get on base
The Reds are 5-15 in those games
Hairston has batted 2nd 9 games in which he didn’t get on base
The Reds are 3-6 in those games
The Reds are 30-20 when Taveras bats leadoff and gets on base at least once
Note that means Taveras has batted leadoff and gotten on base 50 games this year
Scutaro for example has gotten on base batting leadoff in 88 games
Ichiro 86
Felipe Lopez 75
just to name 3 of the many who’ve hit leadoff and gotten on base more games than Taveras
For anyone interested in looking at pretty things, rewind your Tivo to 7:53 (return from break for the bottom of the 3d). And no, I’m not talking about Brian Kelly.
Nice … these bunch of bums are going to lose 2 of 3 to the Friars! There’s no way I’d keep even 10 guys from the current roster for 2010 after the debacle that has been 2009. The only guys that don’t make me want to pull my hair out are Joey and Hannigan. It’s time to clean house in Cincy.
deal Arroyo for a prospect that might be ready next year
The Yanks don’t have many position player prospects but they DO have two catcher prospects
Wish the Yanks had a SS prospect
Wonder if the Brewers, Anaheim, Minnesota, TB, Boston or Houston have a SS prospect. They could all use another starter.
and tons of teams could use relievers. Colorado, White Sox, Houston, Anaheim, Detroit, Philly, Atlanta, Brewers, TB and even a couple more.
Matt B you’re prediction of the Reds being shut-out is darn near true
we’ve had 1 base runner through 5 innings. It was a HR but 1 base runner through 5 is being completely shut down
That Reds HOF ballot is ridiculous. Some of those guys didn’t play 4 years for the Reds. Jeff Brantley? Kevin Mitchell? Bret Boone? Nice players, but franchise HOFers?
I know team HOFs are purely a marketing gimmick – and fan balloting double so. But that’s ridiculous.
Why in the world did we not pinch hit for Harang??
He’s pitched six innings. We have EIGHT pitchers in the bullpen. Instead we bunt, which means playing for one run, at best, considering Willy Taveras followed.
We get the lead off runner on, then follow with a bunt out and Taveras. Instead we should have pinch hit for Harang to try to get something going.
You know, it’s not like Harang is throwing a no-hitter. He had thrown 101 pitches after six innings. And it’s not like the score is tied or just one run behind.
Sending Harang up there to hit in the bottom of the sixth, with the Reds struggling to generate any offense, after getting the leadoff runner on base – it’s just unbelievable.
At the most, Harang will pitch one more inning. It’s obviously more important to try to score some runs there than keeping Harang in.
That might have been the DUMBEST thing that Baker has done all year, in a year full of stupid moves.
So totally disgusting. It’s like he’s given up, too. He can’t go soon enough.
I love the Reds HOF but I think the balloting has gotten ridiculous
I always have trouble reconciling the amount of time a player plays for the Reds when considering them for all-time things and the HOF
But looking at the ballot, what about
Elmer Smith? Charlie Jones? Mike Donlin? Kal Daniels? John Rielly? Jake Beckley?
Bug Holliday? Frank Fennelly? Babe Herman?
Personally I like Mitchell, he was a monster in his short time with the Reds but if you are including him you HAVE to include Mike Donlin and Bernie Carbo
and
Frank Dwyer? Tony Mullane? Billy Rhines? John Franco? Jeff Shaw? Dibble?
I see Franco is on this ballot. Good.
and I also see they call it “Modern Player Candidates” which leaves off the players I listed from a long time ago.
I’m voting for Franco on this years ballot (I think, that’s just off the top of my head)
He is totally in love with the “double switch” – oooh.
I can’t remember a single time all year that he has pinch hit for a pitcher for offensive reasons when it wasn’t obvious they should come out of the game.
I can understand letting a pitcher bat when we are ahead, or maybe even tied. But when we are FOUR RUNS BEHIND the top priority is to score runs.
Now Harang is out in the eighth inning. What is Baker doing? It’s almost as if we are shopping Harang for a trade and Baker is trying to prove that the first inning was a fluke and Harang can go the distance.
I’ve been saying it since the middle of last year. “this team will never progress until Dusty Baker is gone.” This man lacks logic with great frequency…why the hell is Aaron Harang out there again after throwing 112 pitches? What does this prove? Can’t we preserve him for next year? Or, don’t ruin his arm before someone wants to get him and give the Reds some good players in return!! :worried:
Chris I would say that innings for a reliever aren’t that important when looking at relievers, like Brantley
That being said, more than 30 Reds have pitched in more games than Brantley since 1959
Including Scott Williamson, Todd Coffey, Kent Mercker, and Jeff Shaw
I agree that IP isn’t that vital when you’re comparing relievers. But if you’re trying to figure out who belongs in a HOF, I think a closer’s contributions should be kept in context – they just don’t do all that much.
In any event, Brantley played 3 seasons + 10 games with the Reds. Juan Castro was around twice as long.
I just flew from to Buffalo from San Francisco and back and it’s really not that difficult. I’ve done it 100s of times.
It DOES take all day to fly east because you lose 3 hours but flying West is easy
The only problem I run into is flying East and not getting on East coast time so I end up staying up till 3-4 AM and I’m assuming if you live in East (the Reds) that the reverse is true when coming West. Which means later night games are could be tough. If you are playing a game and it goes past 10 PM and your body thinks 1 AM could be an issue for people that normally go to bed early.
but this is minor, I’ll bet they get good food on the plane and I doubt the young guys go to bed before midnight anyways, cept maybe before those weekend morning games.
I go to school in Washington, so I have to fly a lot between there and Ohio. I hear you guys about what the time difference does to you. Whenever I’m home, I’m usually up until about 3 or 4 in the morning whereas at school, I’m typically out by midnight on weeknights. Since I don’t fly too much, it’s still an adjustment when I do come home, but I think that after a while, MLB players easily get used to it.
I was out there from Thurs night to Sunday redeye – and then working until midnight while I was out there. So just long enough to get my body on LA time.
I would think the hardest part for a team would be the Padres playing a 12:30 game like tomorrow, since that is like playing at 9:30 in the morning for them.
#9-Did you see the stat that three of the worst five pitchers in the National League against the lineup the first time through the order are Harang (#1), Arroyo (#2) and Cueto (#5).
2009 stats: Sarasota 2-1 8 Games 8 Games Started 42.1 IP 4.89 ERA 1.44 WHIP
Carolina 3-2 6 Game 6 Game Started 36 2/3 IP 2.95 ERA 1.09 WHIP
Louisville 2-2 5 Game 5 Game Started 29 IP 2.48 ERA 1.21 WHIP
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good news on the horizon…
Volquez will be starting a rehab assignment soon if all goes well the next couple of days (or so says ESPN)
I’m betting Latos shuts out the Reds, given his minor league numbers.
Is ladies hat night sponsored by Baskin Robins? Those are some foul lids…
yikes. first inning homer against a reds starter? i’m shocked.
5-0. Lovely.
This team is impossible…how can a team crumble like this? I tried to cut my cable off because the season is over but they offered it to me at a lower rate so I’m stuck :poke:
Well that was ugly.
really harang? the padres? this was not the reds team i expected this to happen to. i actually thought they hada decent shot this year. best in a long time at least.
nope. same story.
Do the pitchers not have a plan when they go out there? Are they not warming up? Is the other team’s hitting plan vastly superior? It’s like watching a 1 inning game usually.
Looks like Harang has pitched himself back on the Reds in 2010.
people currently on the reds that i want to be on the reds next year:
cueto
volquez
bailey
votto
ede
bruce
gomes
hannigan
cordero
masset
that’s 10. there’re a few like carlos fisher that i don’t really have a problem with, but could go either way.
then there’s the group of decent players like harang and phillips that i’m just tired of. sure the big man was good at one point, but after all his bitching and moaning about run support, he sure isn’t producing.
does the whole team get to beat up the dugout tonight?
fun stats
Taveras has batted leadoff in 20 games in which he didn’t get on base
The Reds are 5-15 in those games
Hairston has batted 2nd 9 games in which he didn’t get on base
The Reds are 3-6 in those games
The Reds are 30-20 when Taveras bats leadoff and gets on base at least once
Note that means Taveras has batted leadoff and gotten on base 50 games this year
Scutaro for example has gotten on base batting leadoff in 88 games
Ichiro 86
Felipe Lopez 75
just to name 3 of the many who’ve hit leadoff and gotten on base more games than Taveras
At least this bunch gets it over with quickly, so you can be doing something else by 8:00.
If the pitchers would just pitch better and the hitters would just hit better, we’d have something.
The team has quit. Harang has quit. No one wants to play for Dusty, and I don’t blame them. He has no accountability for his players.
MLH, you’d be right if the fielders would field better and the manager would…oh who am I fooling but myself.
For anyone interested in looking at pretty things, rewind your Tivo to 7:53 (return from break for the bottom of the 3d). And no, I’m not talking about Brian Kelly.
Nice … these bunch of bums are going to lose 2 of 3 to the Friars! There’s no way I’d keep even 10 guys from the current roster for 2010 after the debacle that has been 2009. The only guys that don’t make me want to pull my hair out are Joey and Hannigan. It’s time to clean house in Cincy.
I wish Pete Rose would just go away.
Haha
Maybe Harang doesn’t wanna be traded
and maybe Arroyo does
if they trade for Rolen I’ll be pissed
deal Arroyo for a prospect that might be ready next year
The Yanks don’t have many position player prospects but they DO have two catcher prospects
Wish the Yanks had a SS prospect
Wonder if the Brewers, Anaheim, Minnesota, TB, Boston or Houston have a SS prospect. They could all use another starter.
and tons of teams could use relievers. Colorado, White Sox, Houston, Anaheim, Detroit, Philly, Atlanta, Brewers, TB and even a couple more.
Chris I’m with you with Pete. I could care less about him.
and every year around induction time we get Rose press
random thought
I wonder if Larkin would like a shot at being manager or hitting coach
Yeah when I heard we traded manuel for a player I was hoping it was a SS prospect.
you couldn’t get a SS prospect for a 25 year old C+ reliever prospect
I honestly think it’s time for the Reds to think big
we have a 1B who looks like he could be the Reds starting 1B for the next 7-8 years
trade our top prospect, a 1B prospect for a top SS prospect
good to see harang settle down so we can get this one over quickly.
Matt B you’re prediction of the Reds being shut-out is darn near true
we’ve had 1 base runner through 5 innings. It was a HR but 1 base runner through 5 is being completely shut down
That Reds HOF ballot is ridiculous. Some of those guys didn’t play 4 years for the Reds. Jeff Brantley? Kevin Mitchell? Bret Boone? Nice players, but franchise HOFers?
I know team HOFs are purely a marketing gimmick – and fan balloting double so. But that’s ridiculous.
Brantley – 217 IP as a Red.
Unless the radar gun is screwy, Harang was throwing an 86-88 mph fastball in the 1st and a 91-95 mph fastball in the 6th.
that would explain the 5 first inning runs
Why did Harang sacrifice when he has thrown 101 pitches? And even if he is staying in, why is he sacrificing? Its 5-1.
Why in the world did we not pinch hit for Harang??
He’s pitched six innings. We have EIGHT pitchers in the bullpen. Instead we bunt, which means playing for one run, at best, considering Willy Taveras followed.
We get the lead off runner on, then follow with a bunt out and Taveras. Instead we should have pinch hit for Harang to try to get something going.
That’s totally idiotic.
Someone WAKE UP DUSTY BAKER!!!
Harang, Taveres and Hairston see a total of 4 pitches after Tatum’s walk. I guess I can’t blame them for wanting this to end.
What will absolutely kill me is if we end up 20 games under .500 and they bring him back by using all of the injuries as their excuse.
that was, by far, the worst move by dusty all season …. no wonder these guys have given up
You know, it’s not like Harang is throwing a no-hitter. He had thrown 101 pitches after six innings. And it’s not like the score is tied or just one run behind.
Sending Harang up there to hit in the bottom of the sixth, with the Reds struggling to generate any offense, after getting the leadoff runner on base – it’s just unbelievable.
At the most, Harang will pitch one more inning. It’s obviously more important to try to score some runs there than keeping Harang in.
That might have been the DUMBEST thing that Baker has done all year, in a year full of stupid moves.
So totally disgusting. It’s like he’s given up, too. He can’t go soon enough.
Aren’t there other coaches in the dugout who could say “HEY SHOULDN’T WE THINK ABOUT PINCH HITTING HERE?”
I’d have even thought about pinch hitting for Taveras.
I love the Reds HOF but I think the balloting has gotten ridiculous
I always have trouble reconciling the amount of time a player plays for the Reds when considering them for all-time things and the HOF
But looking at the ballot, what about
Elmer Smith? Charlie Jones? Mike Donlin? Kal Daniels? John Rielly? Jake Beckley?
Bug Holliday? Frank Fennelly? Babe Herman?
Personally I like Mitchell, he was a monster in his short time with the Reds but if you are including him you HAVE to include Mike Donlin and Bernie Carbo
and
Frank Dwyer? Tony Mullane? Billy Rhines? John Franco? Jeff Shaw? Dibble?
I see Franco is on this ballot. Good.
and I also see they call it “Modern Player Candidates” which leaves off the players I listed from a long time ago.
I’m voting for Franco on this years ballot (I think, that’s just off the top of my head)
by the way I was going to post this link from a day or so ago which is a GREAT summary of the greatest catchers of all-time.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/7/27/962148/historical-war-review-catchers
guess who is #1? BENCH!
here is a link with a comparison of the position players on the ballot
http://www.basement-dwellers.com/2009/07/reds-hall-of-fame-ballot-2010.html
He picks Sabo among the position players.
Baker acts like he doesn’t have 8 relievers.
Dusty Baker manages like he is BRAIN DEAD.
He is totally in love with the “double switch” – oooh.
I can’t remember a single time all year that he has pinch hit for a pitcher for offensive reasons when it wasn’t obvious they should come out of the game.
I can understand letting a pitcher bat when we are ahead, or maybe even tied. But when we are FOUR RUNS BEHIND the top priority is to score runs.
Now Harang is out in the eighth inning. What is Baker doing? It’s almost as if we are shopping Harang for a trade and Baker is trying to prove that the first inning was a fluke and Harang can go the distance.
If that’s true….argh.
I’ve been saying it since the middle of last year. “this team will never progress until Dusty Baker is gone.” This man lacks logic with great frequency…why the hell is Aaron Harang out there again after throwing 112 pitches? What does this prove? Can’t we preserve him for next year? Or, don’t ruin his arm before someone wants to get him and give the Reds some good players in return!! :worried:
Like I said Dusty…what the (#$& did that prove? Complete idiot!
This point has already been made, but bears repeating. We have EIGHT pitchers in the bullpen.
Three of them pitched last night: Masset, Weathers, Herrera
Two others pitched Monday: Rhodes, Cordero
Fatigue is simply not an issue.
This team isn’t even worth booing.
Dear Jeff Brantley,
STFU.
“That’s all we got, one goddamn hit?” – Harry Doyle
“You can’t say goddamn on the air.” – Assistant to Harry Doyle
“Don’t worry, nobody is listening anyway.” – Harry Doyle in Major League (1989)
http://www.moviesoundscentral.com/sounds/major_league/goddamn.wav
Chris I would say that innings for a reliever aren’t that important when looking at relievers, like Brantley
That being said, more than 30 Reds have pitched in more games than Brantley since 1959
Including Scott Williamson, Todd Coffey, Kent Mercker, and Jeff Shaw
I agree that IP isn’t that vital when you’re comparing relievers. But if you’re trying to figure out who belongs in a HOF, I think a closer’s contributions should be kept in context – they just don’t do all that much.
In any event, Brantley played 3 seasons + 10 games with the Reds. Juan Castro was around twice as long.
Thom is really overstating the difficulties of travelling West to East. He’s acting like these guys fly commercial, with a connection in Dallas.
(That said, I’m STILL screwed up from my flight back from LA on Sunday night).
I just flew from to Buffalo from San Francisco and back and it’s really not that difficult. I’ve done it 100s of times.
It DOES take all day to fly east because you lose 3 hours but flying West is easy
The only problem I run into is flying East and not getting on East coast time so I end up staying up till 3-4 AM and I’m assuming if you live in East (the Reds) that the reverse is true when coming West. Which means later night games are could be tough. If you are playing a game and it goes past 10 PM and your body thinks 1 AM could be an issue for people that normally go to bed early.
but this is minor, I’ll bet they get good food on the plane and I doubt the young guys go to bed before midnight anyways, cept maybe before those weekend morning games.
Thom is terrible
Congrats to the Reds for establishing a new bottom.
I go to school in Washington, so I have to fly a lot between there and Ohio. I hear you guys about what the time difference does to you. Whenever I’m home, I’m usually up until about 3 or 4 in the morning whereas at school, I’m typically out by midnight on weeknights. Since I don’t fly too much, it’s still an adjustment when I do come home, but I think that after a while, MLB players easily get used to it.
I was out there from Thurs night to Sunday redeye – and then working until midnight while I was out there. So just long enough to get my body on LA time.
I would think the hardest part for a team would be the Padres playing a 12:30 game like tomorrow, since that is like playing at 9:30 in the morning for them.
Anyone want to move to Louisville where they hit and win games???
What’s sad is I live here and I’ve been to one game all year.
I have lost my desire to watch this team.
#9-Did you see the stat that three of the worst five pitchers in the National League against the lineup the first time through the order are Harang (#1), Arroyo (#2) and Cueto (#5).