Loading ...The Reds finally return home after a winless road trip. The big question of the evening isn’t whether Homer Bailey will bounce back, or whether the offense will score any runs.
To me, the big question is: will anyone show up at Great American Ballpark to watch this mess?
Those of you who are content to watch from home or listen on the radio can discuss the game right here.
mlbtraderumors.com is reporting the arroyo is close to being traded to the yankees. The Reds finally have come to realization that they are “sellers”. It’s about time!
oh that would be great. I wonder what we’ll get in return
I didn’t sleep last night and spent the day on a plane so I’m a little delirious and I saw the Reds lineup I’d like to watch tonight
Cameron – CF
Hanigan – C
Votto – 1B
EE – 3B
Dunn – LF
Phillips – 2B
Bruce – RF
Keppinger – SS
How is anyone on this planet able to get a job managing a MLB team — one of only 30 such jobs available in the world, mind you — thinking that it’s a good idea to have the top 2 hitters in your lineup have a .289 OBP and a .249 OBP?
It blows me away how ignorant that is. Willfully ignorant.
in other news the Reds put Owings and Dickerson on the DL and called up Sutton and Manuel???
Batting Alex Gonzalez second tonight is the single dumbest lineup move I’ve ever seen. It is just beyond comprehension. Stunning.
Arroyo has been removed as the probable pitcher for the Reds tomorrow night. That’s on the Reds official site. John Fay is insisting that isn’t true, though.
We’d be a better team IMMEDIATELY if we would just recognize a sunk cost and DFA Taveras and Gonzalez and play the young guys.
Did anyone see the Nationals celebrating Kearns’ walkoff — beat the Padres, and they were ecstatic. Maybe they’ve decided they might as well enjoy the ride…? I don’t think I’ve seen that much excitement from the Reds this season, even when we were “in it”.
@Dan – absolutely.
#6: I think fay reported that arroyo wasn’t listed yesterday either and said it was a mistake. On the other point, I guess Gonzalez has impressed Dusty with his 0-7 performance since coming off the DL. I have never seen a manager consistently put together worse 1-2 hitters than Dusty over his 2 years here.
Here’s my dream Reds lineup:
(Using only players they actually currently have, mike…)
CF Stubbs/Heisey/Dickerson (ANYONE!!!)
C Hanigan
1B Votto
LF Gomes
SS Phillips
3B Encarnacion
RF Nix
2B Sutton
Actually, wait — Bob C. says, “If we can get our pitching to show up and get our hitting to show up at the same time, we’re still possibly contenders.”
Jettison of #1 and #2 is looking good to me, too. Are they still the two worst hitters in MLB? Amazing.
understood Dan, I really didn’t sleep last night
I do think it’s time to play Gomes every day for a little bit
In that case mike, I think Babe Ruth should be playing RF and hitting cleanup. He wasn’t bad.
they aren’t the two worst hitters in MLB anymore
but here are the only hitters this year with 200+ PA with an OPS below .600
OPS DIFF PLAYER LEAGUE PA
1 Alex Gonzalez -.216 .541 .758 204
2 Brian Giles -.210 .548 .758 253
3 Emmanuel Burriss -.198 .560 .758 220
4 Nick Punto -.192 .570 .762 256
5 Dioner Navarro -.183 .579 .762 288
6 Yuniesky Betancourt -.183 .579 .762 279
7 Willy Taveras -.168 .589 .758 360
two of the worst 10 for sure
and here is a strange one
Taveras’s OBP is now higher than Gonzo, Byrnes, Bill Hall, Josh Hamilton, Bruce and Francoeur
odd…
that SD lineup is just as bad
why watch this game?
oh, right Bailey and Votto
Dan, that is your Reds dream lineup?! I would go with
3B Pete Rose
SS Barry Larkin
C Johnny Bench
1B Tony Perez
2B Joe Morgan
CF Eric Davis
RF Ken Griffey Sr. or Jr. I suppose
LF Dave Parker
I didn’t really go before 75 there…I’d have Votto, Kevin Mitchell, George Foster, and maybe Javier Valentin in his pinch hitting prime on the bench!
Just jokin with ya Dan, I saw you said with current players, but I was depressed when I saw a dream lineup included Nix, Gomes, Sutton, etc…
Just for fun…
Here are the career OPS+’s for the Reds starting 8 tonight. (100 is league average.)
Taveras – 70
Gonzalez – 78
Votto – 137
Phillips – 89
Encarnacion – 102
Nix – 73
Gomes – 107
Tatum – -64 (that’s negative 64… OK, in only 8 PA’s)
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2009 Cincinnati Reds!
I’m like most baseball fans who can’t stand the Yankees…but I’ll make a few exceptions. Like when Aaron Boone hit that walk off series winning HR against Boston in game 7 a few years back. I remember watching that game with my dad and us talking about how it’d be pretty sweet for Aaron Boone to hit the game winning HR.
I think I’d feel similar with Arroyo. I’m not like in Arroyo’s fan club. But if he goes to the Yankees I’d be rotting for him in the playoffs when he pitches. He’s probably my favorite pitcher to watch. So unconventional.
Being a Reds fan, I am resigned to rooting for indidivual players who I like hoping they are successful when traded!
Homer looked sharp in the first inning. K’d Gonzalez on a great pitch.
It’s a terrible lineup, but too give Dusty a little slack, he doesn’t have much to work with. This roster is really bad right now. It’s almost embarrassing. I bet San Diego takes 2 of 3.
Another thought on the Arroyo rumor…Is it me or doesn’t it seem like many of the prospects the Yankees give up are overhyped and don’t amount to much. It seems like teams are mainly making a salary dump, so they don’t try that hard to get the better prospects from the Yanks and the Yanks know that.
Danny Knobler of CBS Sports reports the Reds ARE NOT sellers. http://danny-knobler.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/8590096/16270619?source=rss_blogs_MLB
He notes that any trade involving Arrroyo would have to help the club this year or next. Arroyo is scheduled to pitch tomorrow, but may be scratched. The Reds and Yankees are going back and forth on what portion of the $4 mil left on Arroyo’s deal will be picked up. If the deal has to help the Reds this year or next, I would imagine the Reds are going to take on one of the Yankees’ many outfielders.
The Jays sent scouts to watch the Reds. A Rolen deal is still a possibility according to Ed Price. http://twitter.com/ed_price/status/2873635225
Oh the internet blogs and twitter…endless information with no sense of who to believe and who not too. I am going to error on the side of common sense and say that the Reds are sellers.
Shoot. The only really good reason to watch has left the building.
Man, what?
Votto was saying some very bad words.
Seriously, can Dusty freaking stand up for his players? It’s twice he hasn’t protected Votto now.
The umpire was saying some not so nice words, too.
B.P.! That one’s for Votto – and for that stinkin’ umpire.
Yeah, I don’t think that the ump is entirely innocent there. It also looked like he was itching to throw someone out.
I agree. Dusty needs to get tossed sometime.
holy crapola!!! a 3 run lead in the 1st !!
I’m glad someone on this team has some pride!
Joey “The Franchise” Votto…our team leader and face of the franchise
Votto tossed again? What’s his deal of late? Maybe all the losing getting too him I suppose. Seems he doesn’t feel he’s getting the same strike zone other good hitters get…I don’t know.
Was Votto ejected?
I realize it’s the first inning of the game, but what really, at this point, does Dusty have to lose by getting ejected? That was a borderline call at best, and it didn’t help that the umpire was screaming “Bull ****” at Votto.
Yeah, Votto’s gone on a questionable check-swing strike three call by the 3rd base umpire.
Maybe Dusty wasn’t quick enough when Votto got tossed last time, but arguing balls and strikes gets you tossed FAST, he was gone before Dusty could move his toothpick.
I agree Matt. Get tossed. What is the difference? Show you have some fight left.
that’s it jerbear … votto’s getting no respect and he’s tired of carrying this sad-sack team on his back
Batting avgs of our lineup: 248, 212, 204 (then Brandon’s 270), 198, 243, 0. Those are some offensive offensive numbers. TOS but Dusty knows how to get the most out of his players.
I will cut Dusty no slack on lineup construction. Even with a healthy roster, he thinks batting Taveras-Gonzalez 1-2 is a good idea. It’s a bad joke.
And since I’m feeling kind of dark tonight for some reason, here’s the Reds lineup now, listed with their career OPS+…
PLAYER – OPS+
Taveras – 70
Gonzalez – 78
Rosales – 47
Phillips – 89
Encarnacion – 102
Nix – 73
Gomes – 107
Tatum – negative-64
WOW!!!
And yet somehow, we’re leading 3-0! Ahh, baseball… Ahh, probability…
Wow, Taveras makes a good play defensively.
Is Willy T. feeling OK? I’m afraid if he starts playing good ball he’ll turn up next on the D.L.
Chris Heisey isn’t in the Louisville lineup…regular day off? Anyone know?
U don’t run on Willy T! Hahaha
What’s the Cowboy and Welsh smoking with when they keep saying Edwin’s about to turn it around? The Dude’s hitting .200 and couldn’t play the hot corner for my local little league team.
Amazing how the Reds finally start scoring runs with Votto OUT of the lineup.
Votto might have lit a little fire under these guys. Lord knows Dusty didn’t do it.
I hate to criticize a decent play by Taveras…but even on that decent play, it took him forever to get the ball out of his glove. Was I the only one who noticed that? The guy doesn’t seem to have smooth baseball skills.
still waiting for Brantley to guess what the pitch is on the first try…
Taveras is fast as crap but unfortunately he has no baseball skills…there’s a reason 2 teams let him go.
U don’t friggin run on Willy T! Hahaha
Another nice play. Maybe we need to let up a little on WT.
who is that masked man in center ???
OK, really — what’s up w/ Willy? And why has he waited ’til almost August to start gunning down runners? Or is it just sweet to finally be facing a lousy team?
When EE gets going offensively I think he will be better than Rolen. Let’s not do that trade.
A big hit for the kid catcher would be nice here..
Here we go.
San Diego right back in it. That is probably enough for Homer.
Now that was a great play by Taveras! Wow, I didn’t know he had that good of an arm. Thought he had an average arm, but that was an above average throw.
Ya know Taveras has been on some really good teams, Houston and Colorado…He was young then so they probably would settle with his deficiencies because they liked his speed, and they weren’t depending on him to be good like the Reds are. He was just a compliment player.
The problem on the Reds is that he is a little older and not really improving career-wise, and the Reds are also counting him to be very good, and he’s been not very good for much of the season.
I think Rolen is better than Encarnacion. Of course it all depends on Rolen being healthy. I think the whole deal with Encarnacion is waiting on him to get going…but he never really has. Baseball is about consistency, and EE hasn’t shown that in my opinion yet.
homer ends up with a quality start, but not by much. Better than watching him get shelled though.
I bet the front office is going to look at this one game and decide the Reds are still contenders.
Wow, Gomes is hitting the ball. Creating some trade value. Too bad we didn’t give him more at bats early in the year.
Homer batting? Hopefully, they just don’t have enough bench players to waste one. He has thrown 103 pitches and does not need to go back out.
Surprised they left him out, but really hoping this is his last batter. Do not need to push him more than this.
who does dusty think homer is, mark prior? get him out of the game!!!
Edwin as put up the following line since coming back from the wrist injury: .274 .384 .516 .900. Consistency would be nice, but everyone is streaky, Phillips OPS by month this season are .612, 1.074, .719, and .714. That’s why the larger sample sizes tell the better story. I want no part of Rolen who is owed a lot and primed for the decline of his career. I’ll take my chances with the streaky 26 year old who hasn’t hit his prime yet.
Just got on and flipped through the posts. I agree it’s time for Homer to get some rest. Good to see a decent outing from him, and I’m happy to read that at least Votto still gives a $%^# to argue for himself.
Wow… I bet very few people would have guessed Edwin’s had a .900 OPS since coming back. I sure didn’t.
Could not agree more on Rolen. Even if you do not think EE is the anser, Rolen’s age and contract are not what we need right now.
Just turned the game on the radio. Is that Dan Hoard? Does he do many games?
Sending Homer out there worked, as he only threw 6 more pitches. I still think it was the wrong move.
The fact that it appears the majority of Redleg Nation doesn’t want Rolen makes me fear the exact opposite will happen.
Whoa. If Homer gets hurt, Dusty must quit.
How many pitches is Homer up to now?
Nevermind. Crazy Dusty at it again. Let’s him pitch to one guy.
That’s it for Homer.
Homer out for the 8th? Honestly, there are times I feel like dusty is taunting us.
Haven’t seen Arroyo in the dugout all night. Has anyone seen him?
I knew the Yanks would not be able to resist Arroyo. Big George seemed always had a thing for bringing in guys that beat the Yanks.
Those were a couple of nice plays by Taveras tonight, especially the throw from the warning track. Tatum played that ball perfect at the plate. I know he would not want to be bowled over at the plate by that huge guy the Padres are playing in left tonight. That dude is a freaking tank.
That was a little scary.
Any word on what we would get back from the Yankees if something went down? All I am finding is that they are interested in Arroyo.
I know Votto is frustrated and I can’t blame him, but he CAN’T get thrown out. They need him in there every day. Dusty had no chance to save him. That being said, I would love to see Dusty show a little anger and get thrown out for once.
Maybe tonight is the night where the Reds turn it all around and go on a miracle run like the Indians in Major League with Willie Taveras playing the role of Willie Mays Hayes LOL.
Pull up the Yankee stat sheet, sort OPS by lowest to highest. Pick the top three and have them have a foot race. There’s who the Reds will target. He won’t clog the bases and will create lots of havoc!
#87: Okay, that was funny.
I’m ok with Votto getting the toss. The Reds aren’t neck and neck anymore, and I think it’s be just short of a miracle if they climb back in the race. They’d need him if they were in it. They’re not in it, he’s frustrated, it’s no harm done, win or lose at this point.
Well Cordero had to give one up. Here is hoping it stops there.
Agree on #87. Well played sir.
Exllcellent. Finally a win.
Does it really matter who the Reds get back? Just dump the 11 million for a bag of balls and move on.
Finally, a win.
Well, those who stayed after JV got tossed got to see the Reds pull one out.
Even saw Willy T. climb the wall. He held his own in CF tonight, I must admit.
Is the Red’s record better with or without Votto?
Pretty sure it is better with.
Votto
Team Record in Appearances: 31-37 / in Starts: 29-36
(Tonight counts as a win for Votto).
Overall 45-53
So w/o Votto in the starting lineup: 16-17
W/o any appearance by Votto: 14-16