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	<title>Comments on: Game Thread: Cardinals at Reds &#8212; 2009.07.05</title>
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		<title>By: Southern Fried Red</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/07/05/game-thread-cardinals-at-reds-20090705/#comment-1750786</link>
		<dc:creator>Southern Fried Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 22:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sold on Maloney but it&#039;s a better option than Arroyo at this point..Masset was in the mix as a starter in spring training.If they start B.A. friday night in ny, my summer nights are gonning to be freed up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sold on Maloney but it&#8217;s a better option than Arroyo at this point..Masset was in the mix as a starter in spring training.If they start B.A. friday night in ny, my summer nights are gonning to be freed up.</p>
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		<title>By: Dallas</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/07/05/game-thread-cardinals-at-reds-20090705/#comment-1750770</link>
		<dc:creator>Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Willy Taveras is hitting .372 since June 20th.  Let&#039;s keep crapping on him though.
Nice to see Edwin back to normal...striking out and making errors.  We missed you, Eddie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willy Taveras is hitting .372 since June 20th.  Let&#8217;s keep crapping on him though.<br />
Nice to see Edwin back to normal&#8230;striking out and making errors.  We missed you, Eddie!</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/07/05/game-thread-cardinals-at-reds-20090705/#comment-1750756</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When Taveras came to the Reds, we were told that he was a good leadoff hitter and defensively he was an upgrade from anyone who&#039;d played CF in awhile.  None of that was true.

Secondly, when are the Reds going to feel that its important to have a third baseman who can throw.

Arroyo has no business on the mound until they figure out what is wrong with him.  Is it the carpel tunnel or something else?  DL the guy until the problem is solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Taveras came to the Reds, we were told that he was a good leadoff hitter and defensively he was an upgrade from anyone who&#8217;d played CF in awhile.  None of that was true.</p>
<p>Secondly, when are the Reds going to feel that its important to have a third baseman who can throw.</p>
<p>Arroyo has no business on the mound until they figure out what is wrong with him.  Is it the carpel tunnel or something else?  DL the guy until the problem is solved.</p>
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		<title>By: JerBear</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/07/05/game-thread-cardinals-at-reds-20090705/#comment-1750737</link>
		<dc:creator>JerBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike I am going to have to learn what all those stats mean, but point well made! I guess Hernandez has not even been &quot;decent&quot;.  Why can&#039;t our manager and general manager just make the common sense move on a daily basis?

I guess sometimes it&#039;s easier said then done, but in this case it seems some of these decisions should be easier made then talked about...that was terrible grammar, but you get my point!

The thing that has surprised me about Hannigan is his defense. That in itself should lend him to more starts.

It seems like Baker and company are their own worst enemy at times. We don&#039;t trust Hannigan can handle the fulltime duty so we trade for a veteran C...Hannigan proves he is pretty good, but we&#039;ve committed to this veteran Catcher being the number one guy for some reason and we&#039;re sticking with him.

I know a lot of you are in the Encarnacion camp. It seems like from website to website people disagree on him as they did on Adam Dunn. I&#039;m not in the EE camp. Sorry, I just can&#039;t go with you guys on him. The last thing this lineup needs is an inconsistent hitter who strikes out and fails to get runners in from third base on a consistent basis.

Everyone is all excited to get EE back. Do people realize most of our success is dependent on EE, Hairston Jr, and Taveras for the rest of the season? We are relying on Taveras to get on base and create havoc...we&#039;re relying on Hairston to provide speed and solid play at SS...and we&#039;re relying on Encarnacion to be the &quot;right handed bat&quot; we so desperately need.

I see our success depending largely on 3 unproven everyday players who are inconsistent at the plate, inconsistent in the field, and are below average situational hitters.

I hate to be so negative... but I don&#039;t see this team making a surge with the current everyday lineup. They play hard and don&#039;t give up. I guess Dusty and the guys deserve some credit for the attitude of this team which seems to be a lot better then previous years...but they lack consistency and production at 3-4 spots most days of the week.

We&#039;re relying on 3 unproven</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike I am going to have to learn what all those stats mean, but point well made! I guess Hernandez has not even been &#8220;decent&#8221;.  Why can&#8217;t our manager and general manager just make the common sense move on a daily basis?</p>
<p>I guess sometimes it&#8217;s easier said then done, but in this case it seems some of these decisions should be easier made then talked about&#8230;that was terrible grammar, but you get my point!</p>
<p>The thing that has surprised me about Hannigan is his defense. That in itself should lend him to more starts.</p>
<p>It seems like Baker and company are their own worst enemy at times. We don&#8217;t trust Hannigan can handle the fulltime duty so we trade for a veteran C&#8230;Hannigan proves he is pretty good, but we&#8217;ve committed to this veteran Catcher being the number one guy for some reason and we&#8217;re sticking with him.</p>
<p>I know a lot of you are in the Encarnacion camp. It seems like from website to website people disagree on him as they did on Adam Dunn. I&#8217;m not in the EE camp. Sorry, I just can&#8217;t go with you guys on him. The last thing this lineup needs is an inconsistent hitter who strikes out and fails to get runners in from third base on a consistent basis.</p>
<p>Everyone is all excited to get EE back. Do people realize most of our success is dependent on EE, Hairston Jr, and Taveras for the rest of the season? We are relying on Taveras to get on base and create havoc&#8230;we&#8217;re relying on Hairston to provide speed and solid play at SS&#8230;and we&#8217;re relying on Encarnacion to be the &#8220;right handed bat&#8221; we so desperately need.</p>
<p>I see our success depending largely on 3 unproven everyday players who are inconsistent at the plate, inconsistent in the field, and are below average situational hitters.</p>
<p>I hate to be so negative&#8230; but I don&#8217;t see this team making a surge with the current everyday lineup. They play hard and don&#8217;t give up. I guess Dusty and the guys deserve some credit for the attitude of this team which seems to be a lot better then previous years&#8230;but they lack consistency and production at 3-4 spots most days of the week.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re relying on 3 unproven</p>
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		<title>By: earl</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/07/05/game-thread-cardinals-at-reds-20090705/#comment-1750713</link>
		<dc:creator>earl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;5 David Ross 9&quot;

That guy is such a streaky hitter.   Too bad he was on a cold streak the last season and half in Cinci after about a half season of looking pretty good.


Hernandez isn&#039;t the primary reason the Reds are only at .500 even though he couldn&#039;t buy a hit in June, the guy was one of the few in May outside of Votto that got some hits when needed earlier on.    Hanigan has earned more playing time in my book, but I think Hernandez is an improvement over the Bako boys for the past couple of years.    Hernandez is probably only here this season, so it isn&#039;t that big a deal.   I figure they will go with Hanigan full time next year.     I&#039;d put playing Hernandez a step or two behind the odd using of the pitching staff, not playing the hot hitting outfielders and playing people out of position (although Hernandez did field OK at first) as an issue.


Eddie, Edwin, Ed...you can get to the ball pretty well, sometimes even quite impressive but you are so erratic throwing the ball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;5 David Ross 9&#8243;</p>
<p>That guy is such a streaky hitter.   Too bad he was on a cold streak the last season and half in Cinci after about a half season of looking pretty good.</p>
<p>Hernandez isn&#8217;t the primary reason the Reds are only at .500 even though he couldn&#8217;t buy a hit in June, the guy was one of the few in May outside of Votto that got some hits when needed earlier on.    Hanigan has earned more playing time in my book, but I think Hernandez is an improvement over the Bako boys for the past couple of years.    Hernandez is probably only here this season, so it isn&#8217;t that big a deal.   I figure they will go with Hanigan full time next year.     I&#8217;d put playing Hernandez a step or two behind the odd using of the pitching staff, not playing the hot hitting outfielders and playing people out of position (although Hernandez did field OK at first) as an issue.</p>
<p>Eddie, Edwin, Ed&#8230;you can get to the ball pretty well, sometimes even quite impressive but you are so erratic throwing the ball.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/07/05/game-thread-cardinals-at-reds-20090705/#comment-1750711</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>which is funny really because that&#039;s when Hernandez&#039;s bat went cold. 
1B is one of the most productive positions in baseball and instead of giving Gomes some time there we played a guy because he was good on defense there. 

Interestingly enough, his UZR at 1B was -2.9 which is among the bottom 10 among those who have played 1B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>which is funny really because that&#8217;s when Hernandez&#8217;s bat went cold.<br />
1B is one of the most productive positions in baseball and instead of giving Gomes some time there we played a guy because he was good on defense there. </p>
<p>Interestingly enough, his UZR at 1B was -2.9 which is among the bottom 10 among those who have played 1B.</p>
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		<title>By: AnnapolisRed</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/07/05/game-thread-cardinals-at-reds-20090705/#comment-1750706</link>
		<dc:creator>AnnapolisRed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would leave Massett where he is. He fills a valuable role. I would let Maloney make Arroyo&#039;s next start or two and then he goes down when Edinson comes back up.  Fisher needs to go back to AAA and get Burton back up here. I am not impressed with Fisher at all.  I really like Roenickie though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would leave Massett where he is. He fills a valuable role. I would let Maloney make Arroyo&#8217;s next start or two and then he goes down when Edinson comes back up.  Fisher needs to go back to AAA and get Burton back up here. I am not impressed with Fisher at all.  I really like Roenickie though.</p>
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		<title>By: GregD</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/07/05/game-thread-cardinals-at-reds-20090705/#comment-1750698</link>
		<dc:creator>GregD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hernandez gets a pass from the media/broadcasters for filling in defensively at 1B when Votto was out.</description>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/07/05/game-thread-cardinals-at-reds-20090705/#comment-1750692</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has Hernandez &quot;done a decent job&quot;??

He&#039;s hitting .252/.333/.368 for a 84 OPS+
Is that decent?

Of the 9 qualified Catchers (lots of catchers are getting more rest days this year), Hernandez is 8th looking at WAR

Hernendez is among the bottom 10 among catchers in creating runs above the positional average

T8   Francisco Cervelli           -5   
T8   Jamie Burke                  -5   
T8   Jeff Mathis                  -5   
T8   Bengie Molina                -5   
T8   Michel Hernandez             -5   
T8   Mike Redmond                 -5   
T14  Ramon Hernandez              -4   
T14  Taylor Teagarden             -4   
T14  Raul Chavez                  -4   
T14  Robinzon Diaz                -4   

38 catchers have produced more runs than Hernandez when looking at RARP 


and another guy on the club is among the top 10 AND play darn good defense
RCAP                           RCAP    
1    Joe Mauer                    40   
2    Victor Martinez              23   
3    Brian McCann                 17   
4    Mike Napoli                  11   
5    David Ross                    9   
T6   Jesus Flores                  8   
T6   Jorge Posada                  8   
T6   Ryan Hanigan                  8   
9    Jason Varitek                 7   
10   Chris Iannetta                5   

I don&#039;t have any idea what &quot;a decent job&quot; is but I don&#039;t think what Hernandez has done this year is it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has Hernandez &#8220;done a decent job&#8221;??</p>
<p>He&#8217;s hitting .252/.333/.368 for a 84 OPS+<br />
Is that decent?</p>
<p>Of the 9 qualified Catchers (lots of catchers are getting more rest days this year), Hernandez is 8th looking at WAR</p>
<p>Hernendez is among the bottom 10 among catchers in creating runs above the positional average</p>
<p>T8   Francisco Cervelli           -5<br />
T8   Jamie Burke                  -5<br />
T8   Jeff Mathis                  -5<br />
T8   Bengie Molina                -5<br />
T8   Michel Hernandez             -5<br />
T8   Mike Redmond                 -5<br />
T14  Ramon Hernandez              -4<br />
T14  Taylor Teagarden             -4<br />
T14  Raul Chavez                  -4<br />
T14  Robinzon Diaz                -4   </p>
<p>38 catchers have produced more runs than Hernandez when looking at RARP </p>
<p>and another guy on the club is among the top 10 AND play darn good defense<br />
RCAP                           RCAP<br />
1    Joe Mauer                    40<br />
2    Victor Martinez              23<br />
3    Brian McCann                 17<br />
4    Mike Napoli                  11<br />
5    David Ross                    9<br />
T6   Jesus Flores                  8<br />
T6   Jorge Posada                  8<br />
T6   Ryan Hanigan                  8<br />
9    Jason Varitek                 7<br />
10   Chris Iannetta                5   </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have any idea what &#8220;a decent job&#8221; is but I don&#8217;t think what Hernandez has done this year is it</p>
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		<title>By: JerBear</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/07/05/game-thread-cardinals-at-reds-20090705/#comment-1750669</link>
		<dc:creator>JerBear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colby Rasmus seems to have quite a bit of success off of the Reds. Maybe anyone hitting in front of Pujols does though.

I think this team is gonna just play between 2-3 games below or above .500 unless they make a fairly big trade. I&#039;ve criticized Dusty a lot, but they don&#039;t have the talent on a daily basis to beat good teams.

It would be nice to see Hannigan maybe bat second. Seems like Dickerson has some nice at bats where he works the pitcher. He and Hannigan at the top of the lineup would be a nice lead in to Votto. But then you have Hernandez who has done a decent job, but is probably taking some valuable playing time away from Hannigan.

Oh well, they just aren&#039;t that great. A mediocre team. Hopefully they can stick around the race to make things interesting...it&#039;d be nice to be within say 3 games around July 31st so this club is at least thinking about making some upgrades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colby Rasmus seems to have quite a bit of success off of the Reds. Maybe anyone hitting in front of Pujols does though.</p>
<p>I think this team is gonna just play between 2-3 games below or above .500 unless they make a fairly big trade. I&#8217;ve criticized Dusty a lot, but they don&#8217;t have the talent on a daily basis to beat good teams.</p>
<p>It would be nice to see Hannigan maybe bat second. Seems like Dickerson has some nice at bats where he works the pitcher. He and Hannigan at the top of the lineup would be a nice lead in to Votto. But then you have Hernandez who has done a decent job, but is probably taking some valuable playing time away from Hannigan.</p>
<p>Oh well, they just aren&#8217;t that great. A mediocre team. Hopefully they can stick around the race to make things interesting&#8230;it&#8217;d be nice to be within say 3 games around July 31st so this club is at least thinking about making some upgrades.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What brought got brought up for Marty to say that about ol&#039; CW?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What brought got brought up for Marty to say that about ol&#8217; CW?</p>
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		<title>By: Southern Fried Red</title>
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		<dc:creator>Southern Fried Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not much good to say about this one, Josh Roenicke did a fine job..Reds catching philly &amp; ny @ what looks to be a good time..Good luck Reds!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not much good to say about this one, Josh Roenicke did a fine job..Reds catching philly &amp; ny @ what looks to be a good time..Good luck Reds!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Y-City Jim</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/07/05/game-thread-cardinals-at-reds-20090705/#comment-1750655</link>
		<dc:creator>Y-City Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What has kept another member of the Reds broadcasting team from just kicking the crap out of Marty after one of his smart ass remarks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has kept another member of the Reds broadcasting team from just kicking the crap out of Marty after one of his smart ass remarks?</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Dotson</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/07/05/game-thread-cardinals-at-reds-20090705/#comment-1750654</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Dotson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marty: &quot;Chris Welsh would laugh at a door opening.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marty: &#8220;Chris Welsh would laugh at a door opening.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: D. Bronson</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Bronson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis Reyes once circumcised lepers in the Philippines, let&#039;s see if Thom brings that up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis Reyes once circumcised lepers in the Philippines, let&#8217;s see if Thom brings that up.</p>
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