Loading ...From one of my favorite albums, and one of my favorite artists:
I’m going to Kansas City
Kansas City here I come
I’m going to Kansas City
Kansas City here I come
They got some crazy little women there
And I’m gonna get me oneI’m gonna be standing on the corner
Twelfth Street and Vine
I’m gonna be standing on the corner
Twelfth Street and Vine
With my Kansas City baby
And a bottle of Kansas City wineWell I might take a train
I might take a plane
But if I have to walk
I’m goin’ just the sameI’m going to Kansas City
Kansas City here I come
They got some crazy little women there
And I’m gonna get me one
Kansas City, here we come. Discuss the game here….
You are the second person today to reference that song to me (well, not to me but you know what I mean) and I had never heard of it before. Slightly weirded out.
And just for a laugh Indians are playing Cardinals. Announcers were so excited they got Pujols to pop out you would have thought they got out of a bases loaded jam in the 9th.
Gonzo is batting 2nd…discuss.
Gonzo has hit the ball the last few games which is more than you can say about any other Red. So I don’t see anything wrong with it, why not.
Yeah, at first I was a little suprised, but his numbers have been solid of late.
If what I am looking at is right, no Dickerson against a RHP (even with the DH) and Taveras and Gonzo 1/2 at the top of the lineup?
Ok, but even with Gonzo batting second, Taveras at the top of the lineup over Dickerson? Heck, Dh Dickerson if you feel Taveras plays better CF and bat Willie 8th or 9th.
I just really hope Maloney can give the Reds a good outing. Wish I could watch this game, as I’d like to see him pitch.
Gonzo hasn’t been awful the last few games, true
The Reds offense in the last week HAS been awful
Who HAS hit in the last week?
OPS
.902 Bruce
.883 Gomes
.831 Gonzo (.381 OBP)
.774 Dickerson
.694 Hanigan (.400 OBP)
who HAS been awful?
OPS
.000 Taveras (0 for 16)
.467 Hernandez
.477 Hairston
.558 Phillips
.561 Nix
scary when you realize that includes 3 games vs Washington
the last time Taveras got on base was May 27th
since then he’s 0 for 24
He’s also 3 for his last 39 with no BB for a .179 OPS
slumps don’t get much worse than that
4 pitches, 3 outs.
0 for 25
4 pitch inning. That’s making the pitcher work. Swell.
What did the top of the order learn about this pitcher that no one has ever faced? Not a darn thing. How about taking a few pitches and finding out what the guy throws? What was that a 5 pitch inning?
I was shocked when I looked at Taveras’s #s today
and then as I usually do I got interested in how they compare to other Reds CFers in history.
Here are the worst individual hitting seasons by a Reds CFer with at least 200 PA
OPS+ PA Player Year
48 392 Corey Patterson 2008
51 333 Bob Usher 1951
55 218 Willy Taveras 2009
57 501 Bobby Tolan 1973
63 358 Cesar Geronimo 1973
64 375 Taylor Douthit 1932
67 304 Ryan Freel 2007
67 217 Wally Westlake 1952
67 391 Dain Clay 1944
68 310 Lloyd Merriman 1949
You should have had Patterson in bold as well, Mike.
Maloney did NOT pitch a four pitch inning. Wow.
Gah, don’t blink or you’ll miss the “offense”
Hernandez has got to wonder what he has to do to get a hit these days.
Luke Hochevar on pace for a 50 pitch complete game shutout.
That’s what I’m saying Jared. They never let the pitcher get himself in trouble. I don’t know but I’d be surprised if pitchers who start against the Reds don’t have the lowest pitch counts going.
11 pitches,6 outs.
Jacoby’s got to be scratching his head. What’s it take to get through to these guys?
Taveras is a bad player and should have never been signed. Of course he is still batting lead off.
I know I thought about bolding Patterson. He is one of my least favorite Reds of all time
Sorry…next time
11 pitches for KC – 6 outs for the Reds
that is impressive on many levels
Hard to believe there are 3 teams in the NL with worst OBP
Of course 2 of the 3 teams have higher SLG
Glenn why do you assume Jocoby is telling these guys the right thing?
Maybe the reason the Reds hit like they do is because of Jacoby
Just dropping in for a minute and I must say this lineup is so freakin’ awful, I can’t stand it! Taveras 1st, Gonzo 2nd basically putting the two worst hitters on the team 1-2…nice
He’s on pace to pitch a complete game with under 60 pitches…
Been listening to the radio, but just came inside in time to see Willy Taveras hit a very weak grounder to shortstop to end the inning.
I really didn’t expect Dusty to actually hit Willy and Gonzo 1-2. I just didn’t think that even Dusty would be that insane. Bob Boone or Ray Knight, I could see it.
Dusty surprises me every day.
Gomes batting down where his doubles will leave him stranded.
Mike, I realize its an assumption. I’m basing that opinion by the sight of him walking up and down in the dugout with a po’d look on his face. Everytime there’s a shot of him during the game he doesn’t look look happy. Maybe I’m reading too much into that but I just can’t see how a former big leaguer who had good success at the plate, can think that, when your not good at something…ie hitting, doing the same thing over and over will change the outcome.
Again, maybe I’m wrong but I’m just of the opinion that Jacoby is smarter than that.
Taveras right now is a more automatic out than CP was last year.
How many ABs has it been since Taveras has made it to 1B?
I think its 24 or 25.
One thing I’ve learned from this season is that Jay Bruce’s arm is the real deal.
Now, about his bat….
I should warn people what I’m about to write might induce vomiting
Venable -> Winningham -> D Lewis -> Coleman -> Owens -> Goodwin -> Sanders -> Taylor -> Patterson -> Taveras
The Reds did not have a single OFer like these guys from 1955-1986.
Hanigan’s arm is the real deal too! He guns down another baserunner.
I’m liking Hanigan more and more these days.
But he is fast…
Thanks, Glenn. It has been 24 since he singled in his last AB against Houston on May 27th.
Yeah, that’s bad, Mike. I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
Actually 26 counting tonight’s ABs.
Hanigan has been a very pleasant surprise this year. Great kid, good player with good skills.
He’s up to a 57 pitch pace
and Taveras is 0 for 26 (without a BB)
The Reds have to have a CF’dr somewhere that can do better than that. Maybe Dickerson?
or STUBBS!
Hanigan has been great at throwing runners out going to 3rd. Odd choice by KC, especially with 2 outs and their #3 hitter up.
Hanigan has quickly become on of my favorite Reds
I believe his OBP is for real and he plays great defense
I think he could be our every day catcher
just like I think a combination of Dickerson/Stubbs/Heinsey could be our every day CF
Essentially you get great defense and not horrible hitting, for free
then spend the money on a LF
Mike,
The Reds had a bad OF in 1982 and ‘83, after the entire 1981 OF (Foster, Griffey, Collins) left for NY. Over the hill Cedeno, Householder, etc. Eddie Milner was the best of them.
See what I mean. Did Jacoby look like a happy man? Actually for a second there it looked like he’d been drinking.
Is hopper healthy? Even if they do not want to burn an option with Stubbs, could Hopper be much worse at this point. DL Willie and see if he can get it back together on rehab assignment.
I saw that Glenn…..agreed
This is so pathetic. Hernandez has gotten tired from playing every day, but Dusty puts him out there every day.
They’re driving Jacoby to drink.
Before I forget, good outing by Maloney. He seems to have it together thus far.
Regarding all the stuff about who’s hot/who’s not: I read something recently (if I could remember where, I’d link to it) where a study was done that basically showed that recent, small sample success (a hot streak) is not a predictor of future success (continued hot streak) over any stretch, even a game or two. What that means is that, no matter how hot he is, someone like Gonzalez should NEVER bat second. I mean, I don’t really expect Dusty to think about this kind of thing, but it makes sense if you think about it. Gonzalez (for instance) is NOT a good hitter and though he may have been hot, it’s impossible to guess when he’ll cool off. Thus, it makes more sense to bat him according to his true ability.
I think he could be our every day catcher
The day Votto returns Hernandez goes back behind the plate every day even if Hanigan is in the running for the Triple Crown.
pinson no doubt, that 1982 OF was the worst Reds OF in the last 50 years
1966 is a close second
In the last 50 years the Reds have had 12 seasons with an OF that hit significantly below average. 1982, 83 and 84 are 3 of those seasons
After four innings, Maloney has thrown 70 pitches. Hochevar has thrown 29.
and being 10 for 38 with one BB over the past ten games is a pretty tame hot streak.
Maloney’s 2 seam fastball has them swinging and missing.
Will the Reds score a run tonite ?
The thought of batting Gonzo second would never have crossed my mind, but Dusty’s no doubt trying to get this offense moving. Let’s hope Votto comes back soon.
Scoring 2 runs a game will get a manager thinking funny things.
Maloney is throwing a lot of pitches, but to me that is not unusual for a young pitcher.
What Hoch. is doing seems to say more about our offense than anything else…
through 4 innings the Reds have taken only 9 balls
JONNY!!!!!
Gomes knew he had to hit more than a double.
Time for the Sombero pictue!!!
Hanigan helped our number for taking pitches,taking two right over the plate.
Jacoby smiled…I saw it! Even so I think that by the end of the season they’ll be toting him off in a straight jacket.
pinson I’m just now realizing what you might be saying by pointing out the horrible Reds OF of the early 80s and it’s relation to my list of Reds OF
see the difference is that while those early 80s OF were HORRIBLE they were as an entire group with almost nobody very good. BUT none of those players hit as bad as the players I listed and not only did the players I list not hit they were FAST
Can you imagine being the hitting instructor for Dusty Baker? While I think Jacoby leaves something to be desired as a hitting coach, his job is made increasingly difficult by Baker intervening with select hitters.
Rosales has been in quite a funk too. How many virtual automatic outs do we have in our lineup ?
Would Janish have had that ball?
Mike, Good point. Gary Redus though was fast and hit for about 6 weeks and then stopped hitting.
Don’t worry, GRF. You’ll be getting the sombrero picture tonight.
Well, that stinks.
That ground ball that Gonzalez didn’t get to looks costly.
Phillips almost gets killed by the runner at 2B.
Now THAT’S range. Good work, BP.
The ball was hit hard and he was shading towards 2nd Base, but, it did look like Agon’s feet were stuck in mud.
Nice play by Phillips. Glad he survived from the play before.
Saved a run!
Minimized the damage, now we need some hits…
What, it could happen.
At least Gonzo does the FSN Ohio promo better than CoCo.
Man that’s weak.
I don’t blame Jacoby. You can’t make chicken salad out of chicken @$#$#$#.
Hanigan has had a heck of a year behind the plate, but before we annoint him as Johnny Bench he is something like 4-21 with runners in scoring position (came up tonight with a runner at second and nobody out and couldn’t even get the runner to third). I understand we have very little to cheer about offensively so he looks better offensively than he is.
Agree that Hernandez is tired.
It makes no sense that Dickerson had such a great series against Chicago and has not started sense.
Anybody catch what Milton Bradley did today? What a moron.
Man, someone shut Jim Day up and get back to the game.
Lots of patience from the top two spots in the line up. Taveras is BAD!
Sorry for the typo, I meant since.
It is cruel and unusual punishment to have to watch Patterson and Taveras in back-to-back years.
What did Milton Bradley do this time?
We are down 2-1 and I feel like it’s 10-1. Phillips isn’t even hitting right now.
TOS (except for Gomes)
When Taveras reaches 0-30 he’ll start getting attention from the national media. Dusty will love that. The amazing thing is that he doesn’t even have a walk in there.
Bradley: 1st and 3rd, one out, fly ball to Bradley, he catches the ball and then throws it in the stands. Now, the guy on third probably would have scored anyway, but he thought it was two outs.
Hey, there’s that motorcycle promo again. I haven’t seen that in a while.
Bradley is the gift that keeps giving.
He’s not the first person to do that, but still embarrassing.
“The Royals Hall of Fame is not as large as the Reds”. Ya’ think?
It would be George Brett and……….Paul Splitorff?
Did you see the way Brandon hobbled up as he fell on that swing? I was thinking what would happen if he went down for a few days as well. Yikes.
Hanigan needs to hurry up and get some veteran presence so he can move up in the order.
Matt Maloney has been way better tonight than he was in the first game. He has pitched very well.
watching these two offenses is painful
it’s like watching a t-ball game where the 6 year olds get paid millions
Excellent Paul Splittorf reference.
Next we’ll hear talk of Larry Gura.
Well, Ramon Hernandez screwed that one up.
Actually there are some players in the Royals Hall of Fame:
George Brett, 3B 1973-1993 1994
Steve Busby, P 1972-80 1986
Mark Gubicza, P 1984-96 2006
Larry Gura, P 1976-1985 1992
Whitey Herzog, Manager 1975-1979 2000
Dick Howser, Manager 1981-1987 1987
Dennis Leonard, P 1974-1986 1989
John Mayberry, 1B 1972-1977 1996
Hal McRae, DH 1973-1987 1989
Fred Patek, SS 1971-1979 1992
Amos Otis, OF 1970-1983 1986
Dan Quisenberry, P 1979-1988 1998
Cookie Rojas, 2B 1970-77 1987
Bret Saberhagen, P 1984-91 2005
Paul Splittorff, P 1970-84 1987
Willie Wilson, OF 1976-1990 2000
Frank White, 2B 1973-1990 1995
Two run homer. We’re down three now. I can’t see the Reds scoring four more runs tonight.
and I spoke to early about Maloney, what a killer. I have a bad feeling about this series. I feel a sweep coming on.
That could be a game breaker.
A guy who is fighting to be a number 5 starter with the Royals is shutting us down. TOS.
KC has a weak offense, but it seems so much better than ours.
What about our ol’ buddy Kurt Stillwell for Royals HOF? He made the all star game one year as a Royal.
The KC HOF would probably not only include Brett but
Hal McRae, Amos Otis, Tartabull, Appier, Saberhagen, Quisenberry, and Montgomery
That should have been two unearned runs against Maloney, though. They should have given Ramon an error on that crappy throw.
Not that it really matters now….
I don’t either, especially with Taveras there to kill any potential rally. Annapolis you are right. Dickerson should be in this game. The kid finally starts playing and Dusty sits him.
Amos Otis was an underrated player.
And I bet Willie Wilson could still get on base at a better clip than the jokers at the top of the Reds lineup tonight.
I liked Freddie Patek.
Paul Splitorff could get on base at a better clip than those guys. TOS.
Goodness guys, don’t start talking about the Reds getting swept by KC. I won’t be able to sleep tonight.
Hochevar 53 pitches through six. That is amazing.
I forgot about Mayberry. He and Brett were a really good corner infield.
BTW, I never blamed Jacoby. I’m siding with him. There are very few smart hitters on this club right now. Players who continually swing at the first strike they see have driven hitting coaches crazy forever.
Don’t mind me, just pitching to contact.
Mike-See post #105 for the Royals Hall of Fame. I left off a couple but that is the majority of the list.
Speaking of Mayberry, I watched an episode of Andy Griffith earlier tonight. Aunt Bee led a protest to keep Andy from foreclosing on an old farm.
Turned out the old guy had a still (Otis’s source), and a rooster ended up getting drunk. Good times.
53 pitches through six is more a comment on the inabilities of the Reds hitters than anything Hochevar’s doing. He’s pitching a fine game, but the opposition’s helping out too.
The Royals announcers said in his last at bat that Willie Taveras is fast. Now where did they here that?
John Mayberry was a big ‘ol boy.
Wait, Taveras is fast? Has anyone told Dusty?
Yeah he runs from home plate back to the dugout faster than anyone I’ve seen in years. Maybe that’s what they were referring to.
The Pittsburgh Penguins have outscored the Reds tonight. It is sad that I have to turn it over to hockey to see some offense.
TOS
Jay Bruce has been bad for a loooooooong stretch now. Laynce Nix has not done much either in a while and neither has, wait I am going to name the entire team. We had one guy playing well, Dickerson, and I just saw his picture on the back of a milk carton.
the more I think about it I’m not even sure KC can field a team-HOF lineup
1B: John Mayberry
2B: Jose Offerman??
SS: Freddie Patek??
3B: George Brett
LF: Willie Wilson??
CF: Amos Otis
RF: Danny Tartabull
C: Darrell Porter
that’s the best players they’ve had?? Ouch. I guess I could count Carlos Beltran
starter
Appier
Saberhagen
Gubicza
Leibrandt
Leonard
and then a great bullpen of Quisenberry, Montgomery, and Steve Farr
Maybe after 0 for 30 we’ll see Dickerson again.
Otis’s source? Amos Otis? Otis Nixon? Oooohhhhhh……
There’s been a Mike Lincoln sighting.
Is that the milk carton Phillips drinks from?
Way to turn that back around at me, preach.
By God, that’s improvement on Lincoln’s part the first batter he faced didn’t hit it over the wall!
He walks the second batter, though.
That outta keep his era under 10
Lucky break for Lincoln there. A line shot goes right to Ramon, and the runner is doubled up.
I’ll take it. At least Lincoln’s ERA is below 9 now.
Lincoln outsmarted them.
Blind squirrel, meet nut.
I will take it however.
I’m too lazy to look it up right now, but I wonder if there are any other pitchers in the majors who have been on a team’s roster all season…and have a worse ERA than Lincoln.
Mike, where are you?
It is cruel and unusual punishment to have to watch Patterson and Taveras in back-to-back years.
Amen, Brother!!!
Poor Corey Patterson can’t even drift into memory. Good old Willy Taveras is reminding us of Patterson every night.
Can Gomes hit a grand slam here?
Danny Tartabull did a good job in that Seinfeld episode where George thought a guy had given them the finger.
Imagine if Corey Patterson and Willy Taveras had a child.
:p
The Royals have developed some good outfielders – Johnny Damon, Carlos Beltran, Jermaine Dye.
Lincoln has done a pretty amazing job at being horrible in many ways
Sure he has a 9.00 ERA which is impressive but some of his other #s are crazy
Left handed hitters are hitting .429/.565/.857 for a 1.422 OPS against
He has a 14.81 ERA at home allowing 3.1 base runners PER INNING
Hitters have a 1.460 OPS against him this month
The 1st batter he faces has hit this shocking line; .385/.556/1.231 for a 1.786
Mayberry thought:
You have Barney’s gun, which only has one bullet. You can do one of the following:
1. Stop Lincoln from coming into the game from the bullpen
2. Stop Taveras from leading off an inning
3. Prevent Dusty from making out a lineup
4. ___________________
So the question, preach, is which one would you use the bullet on.
Crazy numbers for Lincoln.
As for that bullet, if I have to watch much more of this crappy offense, I might have to take that bullet for myself.
This offense is no where near major league quality.
Could we line all three up behind each other and see if the bullet gets them all?
You right Chad…makes you want to hook your teeth over your front sight!
So according to Chris Welch, Lincoln’s issues are due to him not getting enough work?
Good plan Y-city…sort of a Quigley Down Under thing.
Chris should ask Lincoln if he’d accept a trip down to Louisville where he could get all the work he wanted.
Hochevar’s ERA has dropped over 2 points tonite.
Taveras ALMOST got on base there!!!!
Remember to text 37664 after the game to:
FREE DICKERSON
FREE STUBBS
FREE JANISH
FREE PLAYER OF YOUR CHOICE
Ordinarily, wouldn’t you want the top of the lineup at the plate in the ninth?
Not with the Reds. Taveras and Gonzalez are like two automatic outs.
#144-Wang from the Yankees has the higest ERA in MLB history for a player with five or more starts. It is over 20.
the hard part with looking that up Chris is the “been with the team all season”
There are only 10 pitchers that have pitched at least 10 innings in the major leagues this season with an ERA of 9.00 or worse
Javier Lopez (Bos), Chris Ray (Bal), Anthony Ortega (LAA), Walters (Stl), Oliver Perez (NYM), Duaner Sanchez (SD), Rafeal Perez (Cle), Logan Kensing (Fla/Was), Chien-Ming Wang (NYY) and LINCOLN
We know two of those guys, Kensing and Wang haven’t been with their teams all year. Don’t know about the rest but Perez and Wang are the only ones to face more batters than Lincoln
this team sure has a talent for making middle of the road pitchers look like world beaters.
That may have been the worst excuse for an offense that we’ve seen all year. Swinging at first pitches, hitting weak grounders. Just absolutely terrible.
The entire team should be embarrassed.
An 80 pitch complete game. Hochevar could have shut us down for at least 12 innings.
80-pitch complete game. You have to be freakin’ kidding me.
Chad-The last two nights have really hit home for me. I felt yesterday was just as bad.
I agree. Two very frustrating days.
That was a pathetic effort from the moment the lineup card was turned in.
Cy Houchever, or whatever the heck his name is. Like the manager in Major League says: He’ll be baggin’ groceries in six weeks. But not until the Reds leave town, that’s for certain. Give Lincoln more work. Yeah, great plan.
I thought Taveras could bunt. That was two pitiful attempts tonight. Would someone tell Willie that the ‘Cy of the evening’ is right handed, and he’s not suprising anyone by bunting, so he might as well try the THIRD BASE line?
TOS TOS TOS TOS TOS…………………………….
Pretty exciting end to the hockey game, at least.
OK since looking at how bad Lincoln has been has taken my mind off of how bad the offense is…here is another connect the dots (like my Reds-speedy-no-hit-OFers list above)
Tekulve -> Ruskin -> McElory -> X Hernandez -> Service -> Reidling -> Keisler -> Stanton -> Majewski -> Lincoln
Hard to believe KC’s offense has been worse than the Reds for the season after watching tonight
OK, I don’t feel as bad after watching how the Mets lost to the Yankees.