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Bronson Arroyo versus Brad Thompson engage in a battle of wills tonight as the Reds look to continue what they started last night. In his last two starts, Arroyo has pitched 17 innings and given up just two runs. We can’t ask for any more than that, so I’ll be satisfied with 8 innings of one-run ball tonight. Won’t you?
B-R has the preview. Discuss the game here!
Thompson hasn’t pitched since May 17th. The Reds’ offense better take advantage of his rust.
Nothing about Burton coming back up?
I cannot believe Burton is coming back. They sent him down to try and fix him. Plus won’t he go back down on Saturday to make room for a starter?
Probably, unless they give Masset a spot start.
Which Bronson Arroyo will show up to night???
give maloney or thompson a shot
Burton needs a couple weeks to figure it out.
I wouldn’t be against Masset getting a start. I’d rather see them go to Maloney though, just because he has earned it in AAA. Is he even on the 40 man though?
I would be interested to see how Maloney would perform in the big leagues, he has some talent.
Jay in the 2 hole tonight to hopefully see more fastballs.
Didn’t the Enquirer imply it would probably be Maloney?
Yeah, I keep hearing Maloney doesnt have ML talent, lets find out.
John Fay hinted at it, in regards to Maloney.
New here. And not planning jump off the bandwagon soon. I maybe violating the etiquette here.
But asking before the first pitch were are we all from??
Fort Wayne here.
I certainly would take Maloney over Thompson. I agree it is time to see what Maloney does against MLB hitters.
Hi guys.
From New York City.
Jason: The Maloney experience is about to begin. Book it.
And I’ve shown considerable restraint in not calling in to find out what’s the story on Joey Votto. I’m as curious as anyone else.
How is everyone? I’ve been in Paris.
Votto seems to be a closely guarded state secret.
Toledo, OH, ugh.
Jason:
My brother-in-law is completing his doctorate at Iowa and jost got a Psychology position at Toledo.
Well, Iowa to Toledo might not be that awful for him then.
Everytime I think Broyo is going to be good Broyo we get bad Broyo and visa versa. I REALLY think we get good Broyo tonight.
Zanesville, Ohio
Home of:
Richard Basehart (Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea)
Mark Dantonio (Michigan State head football coach)
Zane Grey (author)
Kevin Martin (NBA-Sacramento Kings)
Jay Peyton (MLB outfielder)
Dan Patrick (ESPN)
Michelle Redman (LPGA)
Fred Taylor (Ohio State head basketball coach-last NCCA championship)
Y-City-I thought Dan Patrick was from my hometown of Dayton, OH?
Wikipedia says we are both wrong…Mason, OH. I do know he went to UD.
Philly PA
Come on, Jay! Thats all you, kid.
Somebody has got to get to that.
Patrick actually just lived in Zanesville for a while as a child. He wasn’t born here.
Coming to you live from near Richmond, VA.
Baton Rouge, LA. Looks like it might be bad Arroyo thus far. Although he did give up a run i the first in his last two starts I think.
I sure hope Arroyo is going to get in some kind of groove. A good one preferably.
Does every game have to include a George and Chris pity party for the Reds woes? We know that it has been tough due to the injuries.
Coming live from Erie, PA. Laynce Nix needs regular playing time.
Nice inning for Arroyo.
It’s really that hard to believe none of the Molinas have made an All-Star team? Really, George?
And what the heck is up with Phillips’ swing and followthrough? If you’re hurting that bad, take yourself out of the lineup. We don’t need any of this tough guy crap.
I feel pretty good about Bronson after that inning. I think he’s going to be alright tonight.
Double for Bronson!
Since when did the Reds pitchers learn to get hits? Harang has been getting hits, and Arroyo now with the 2B.
Too bad nobody else is getting any hits.
Owings gives hitting lessons on the side for extra cash.
I think Matt may be on to something there..
I wish they would stop talking like Hernandez never played 1B before. He played it a lot in winter ball. He’s not inexperienced at the position.
Man this guy is annoying! A big at bat here.
Man, get this guy out already.
Jeeesh. Foul ball number 800.
Finally! K.
14-pitch AB. A freakin’ inning to one hitter. Thank goodness it resulted into an out.
George must be thirsty for a beer.
I like the high cuffs on Taveras, but he needs stirrups.
Raise your hand if you wish Pujols were a Red.
Here.
Why does Grande say Pull-hols?
Impressive Jimmy James. Normally, the only kinesthetic activiy I get during is a Reds game is…1. going to the fridge for a beer. 2. Lifting beer to mouth to drink.
Good call on just walking him bye the way.
I think anyone is going to get a big lead everytime they don’t hold you on (not just Albert).
Maloney is already on the 40-man.
I believe Thompson is currently on the AAA DL.
Does anyone else here have a Fantasy Baseball team??
Here we go. Let’s string some more hits.
Sac fly by Nix. Last year’s LF wouldn’t have done that!
:clown:
They should have let Burton go to AAA as planned and called up another reliever temporarily until they needed a Saturday starter. Manual would probably be my first choice, followed by Roenicke. Each are on the 40-man roster.
Did I just hear that right? Hernandez stole?
Why lord!!!!! A Ramon Hernandez SB. What an embarrassment for the Cardinals.
Boy you don’t see that everyday. Or maybe ever again.
A base??
That’s really an outstanding slide by Ramon there. And he gets a stolen base!
Baker got a free lesson on why not to hit and run with Gonzalez.
HA-OC!
Got started on the thread late. Why would you screw around with Massett and start him? In my mind he has surpassed Weathers and is the RH 7th/8th inning guy with Rhodes as the lefty.
Of course Hernandez won’t be able to score on anything but a triple!
Career stolen base #8 for Hernandez.
Are there many guys on this team that he should hit-and-run with? This team has more strikeouts than last year’s team.
I like Adam Rosales.
This isn’t your typical Cardinals team.
Alright!
Yeah baby. Fear the back of the line-up! Even though it’s the middle of the line-up due to injuries.
Are there many guys on this team that he should hit-and-run with? This team has more strikeouts than last year’s team.
Good point.
Post #41-The ONLY position Hernandez plays in winter ball is first base. He never catches in winter ball.
I am thinking Bronson is going to do it again.
What went on there with Thurston?
Yeah, Masset isn’t a spot starter option at this point,IMO.
That was unfortunate.
Grrr. National League baseball for you. Oh well.
Post #41-The ONLY position Hernandez plays in winter ball is first base. He never catches in winter ball.
Which makes a lot of sense. He would be physically unable to play any more if he was behind the plate during winter ball.
First time up, Arroyo used his lessons learned from Owings.
Last time up, he followed Phillips advice.
Bronson hit it hard right back up the middle. Credit the pitcher for fielding his position. I can’t complain about that.
Chris-I missed it, what do you mean?
Nice one Greg. It’s funny because it’s true.
Wow, Bronson has a lot of movement on his pitches tonight.
They’re talking about Lou Brock, but he couldn’t steal bases any better than Ramon Hernandez.
This is such a mismanaged team if they’re bringing up Burton (who never went down) without Maloney or Manuel
Lou Brock looking exceptionally good for a 70-year-old. Heck! He looks exceptional for a 35-year-old.
Whatever reliever they bring up will be sent down Sat for a spot starter…probably Maloney.
Two separate kudos for Dusty Baker today:
1. This quote: “I haven’t had my infield together for I don’t know how long,” said Baker. “All four have been gone at one time or another. We’ve held together because of our extra guys. Our extra guys have done an outstanding job. But how long can we expect our extra guys to perform like this? That’s the question.”
He really gets it – you can’t overexpose guys like Hanigan, Rosales, JHJ, Dickerson(?), Gomes. You need to slot them into situations where they can excel, and keep them out of positions where they won’t.
2. Putting Bruce in #2 hole is pretty smart, assuming the leadoff guy gets on. Either J sees fastballs, or Willy runs wild (as J waves at curveballs). Either way, it’s better than the previous situation.
Just got on here. Bringing Burton back makes no sense.
I praised the Burton move to AAA last nite, so now they undo it. The bullpen needs a long reliever – why not bring up Ramirez or someone who can do long relief, and stick to the plan of getting Burton back on track ?
Brantley keeps worrying about the fact they’ve called for rain tonight. He assures us it’s still beautiful.
Willy has to get on base.
Red, I was referring to that ball down the 3b line that was called an error. I still don’t see how Thurston missed it.
Hernandez – 67% success rate in steals
Brock – 75% success rate in steals
Homer Bailey is starting for Louisville tonight, so I doubt they bring him up to pitch on 3 days rest.
He is into the 8th inning, 2 hits, 2 walks, 8 Ks and no runs allowed. Bats winning 6-0
#92-Lincoln is the long reliever
Bruce just missed that one
Looks like a decent pitch count for Bailey as well.
George must be reading my comments on this blog.
Oh, sorry. I thought it took a bad hop on him.
GregD made a great point earlier. The 2009 Reds are striking out 6.90 times a game. The 2008 Reds, with the much bemoaned A.Dunn, K.Griffey, and C.Patterson, struck out 6.94 times a game.
This year’s club is hitting 1.10 HR a game. Last year it was 1.15.
“2. Putting Bruce in #2 hole is pretty smart, assuming the leadoff guy gets on. Either J sees fastballs, or Willy runs wild (as J waves at curveballs). Either way, it’s better than the previous situation.”
The problem is, Bruce’s OBP is now under .300 and Taveras is not getting on base anymore. I would not mind seeing Nix in the two hole. With Bruce’s power, I would rather see him in the 5 or 6 spot.
Living in Toledo, 3 hours away from GABP and attending 10-12 games a year myself, I often wonder why The Greater Cincinnati Area stay away from Reds games and McCoy posted a question asking “Why Dont You Go To GABP”. Anyway I found it interesting to read the comments that were left, maybe you will too.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/entries/2009/05/31/u.html
They don’t need Maloney until Saturday so no reason to bring him up today. I would have preferred to see Burton stay down, but evidently they feel like he’s a better option than any of the other relievers in AAA.
Brewers are down 10-1
Bailey in a 3hit SHO against Pawtucket through 7.1 but 2 runners are on and 108 pitch count…Sox AAA team not good offense IMO. Stubbs 2-4
Heisy 1-3 with 2BB @ .383 now. Frazier 3-4 @.338 now. Travis Wood (best ERA in league at 1.34 6ip 3h, 1BB and 6SO
I like what I see in the minors again :love: ….oh, and McPatterson 2-4 with a HR :emotion:
#103-Is this year’s team scoring more runs than last year’s at this point in the year?
Bailey finishes 8ip with 0er 2BB and 8 SO 118 pitches…many balls at the beginning but got better as game went on.
Kevin Gregg just gave up a two-out, two-run home run to Jeff Francouer in the bottom of the ninth to tie the game. I like our closer better than the Cubs.
Probably the game for Bailey.
8 shutout innings, 4 hits, 2 walks, 8 strikeouts.
McDonalds with a HR & a single
Sutton fresh off the DL with a HR
Stubbs & Barker with two hits each
& it must be slow base-runner gets a steal contest in the Reds organization tonight, because Kevin Barker picked up his first SB of the season.
At 118 pitches after 8 innings, I would say Bailey’s night is done. Nice work tonight. Homer.
Great to see Bailey pitch that well. Now I want to see him consistently do that. I have not read cincinnati.com since this morning has there been an update on Volquez? Starting to rain in St. Louis.
Looks like there have been empty seats in St. Louis the last 2 nights. I don’t remember that often in the past.
#98 I suppose, as of last nite, Lincoln is the long reliever. But I think of a long reliever as someone who could start, someone who could go 5 innings if needed.
Either way they should have left Burton at AAA.
Tendonitis for Volquez. 15-day DL.
Why are Heisey and Frazier still in AA?
I used totals for 2008 because they’re much easier to find. Would looking at June 2 2008 tell us something different?
Well probably won’t walk Pujols here. Big at bat.
Probably should have walked him.
Misplayed in left field. Probably gave Cards a run.
That is just plain stupid. Why in the world would you throw him a strike. Actually, why wouldn’t you just intentionally walk him? Bad pitch by Arroyo, but I blame Dusty on that one. JUST WALK HIM.
Why don’t they just walk him. They used to do that to Bonds, why not Pujols?
I’m not at all clear how a guy goes on the DL with a back strain and comes off with tendonitis. Any ideas on that one?
barker last had a SB in 2007
115-They don’t need anybody to start (Lincoln has started before I believe, but I might be wrong), regardless Lincoln and Herrera can both go three innings.
I think that ball hit by Pujols exceeded the speed of light. Man! Did he drill that thing.
Marty killing Nix on that last play…hard.
He should be killing Nix. It really was an error.
Marty’s more pissed about the way the home-team scores it a hit for Pujols so he keeps the RBI.
I’m not at all clear how a guy goes on the DL with a back strain and comes off with tendonitis. Any ideas on that one?
Welsh insinuated that maybe it wasn’t that bad but that Volquez had never experienced anything like it. I think it is a good thing that Welsh isn’t the team physician.
Brewers are getting pounded by the Marlins 10-1!!
Do you really want Lincoln to go 3 innings? There are plenty of good pitchers in this organization and no excuses for not having someone who’s doing better than Burton and Lincoln.
Oh well, Marty on a rant now about the scoring of Nix
Chris-All I’m saying is I believe this team is outscoring last year’s. Strikeouts not quite as much, but close, Home runs down, but scoring more runs (although I think it is close), so despite not having EE, Phillips and Votto off and on the entire year this team is STILL scoring more runs than the Dunn, Griffey, Phillips team (isn’t Griffey hitting .200 in Seattle?)
It was not well played by Nix. Arroyo did not get the pitch down enough to Pujols.
Juan Francisco walk off 10th inning homer. 1-0 Carolina
Yeah, he is all kinds of steamed on that being called a hit. Let me guess, Captain Chipiness is giggling through the telecast talking about his next door neighbors fruit cake…again, ugh.
If Marty and George had a baby sportscaster, would we finally have the happy medium?
Y-City, let us never speak of such a creature again.
mhopp-If Lincoln is pitching three innings that means (usually last night was an odd circumstance) your starter probably got pounded. What great long reliever is down in AAA that should be called up? Guys are long relievers for a reason, they can’t start and they can’t pitch in the late innings. Lincoln will be fine in that role.
Ha! Nicely done, Y-City. This is me tipping cap.
Horribly played by Nix, should have been an error and no RBI. Funny though if that was Brandon Phillips he would have been crucified on this board (and I like Nix).
That official scorer really is full of it, though. They called the one ball an error to protect Thompson’s ERA; now Pullholes gets an undeserved RBI.
I keep meaning write about this sometime – the official scorer situation is one of the more ridiculous historical artifacts in sports. It boggles the mind that the home ballclub gets to hire some local part-timer, who sits in a room full of sportswriters, making “official” decisions that directly affect players’ salaries, bonuses, etc. There is absolutely no reason MLB can’t hire a true, dispassionate professional to make those decisions.
Is anyone else tired of watching Gonzalez attempt to hit?
Let me also well-put Y-City.
Maybe we should have sacrificed?
Chris-Totally agree on you. I actually thought Rosales should have been credited with a double (Chad that is why I was confused by your question, I had no idea they called it an error) and the Pujols hit was clearly a single, error, no RBI. Not even close.
When exactly did Marty become “Grumpy Old Man”? Was there a crucial moment? Or just years of losing?
Reds1-Marty isn’t half as grumpy as some posters on here, that is why I always laugh when people complain about Marty. :p
When he was forced to work with The Bad Boy Steve Stewart.
Manual is frequently pitching 2-3 innings at a time and having a great past two seasons.
That’s a lot of grumps!
Red, I just thought it was interesting that this club was supposed to be “getting away from the all-or-nothing, too many strikeout” offense – yet is whiffing more then before.
2009: 4.54 R/G (League average is 4.58)
2008: 4.35 (League average was 4.54)
So it’s a definite improvement, so far. I give Micah Owings all the credit.
But in all seriousness, it may be as simple as: Hernanigan > Bako, and Everyone > Patterson.
Was Stewart that bad? I remember so many people complaining about him. But I didn’t think he was so bad. I do remember always sounding so condescending toward him.
I didnt like him bc he was horribly bland, but give the guy credit he had HUGE shoes to fill.
Chris-Strikeouts may be up too because of all the reserve players they have had to play. I am actually stunned they are scoring more runs this year with the team they have.
Stewart was awful.
2009 team through 50 games compared to 2008 team
Through 50 games this year, Reds batting
1942PA, 1697AB, 227 runs, 55 HR, 345 K, .256/.331/.412(743ops)
Last year’s team after 50 games:
1896PA, 1672AB, 216 runs, 55 HR, 300 K, .256/.328/.415(743ops)
Good throw by Bruce and he would have been out.
Thurston is killing us! Outfield play not-so-solid tonight.
Arroyo is going to give up a stupid run here, then the rain will end the game. Crap.
Anyone ever listen to Krukow and Kuiper on the Giants broadcasts? I hear they are hilarious.
I am also surprised that they’re scoring more, with this motley crew.
Stewart was inoffensive to me, but I was out of town at the time.
Wow, nice post GredD.
Where did you get those stats, GregD?
Christ, what the hell was Taveras doing. That is inexcusable.
Why does Taveras play so friggin SHALLOW
Was the throw bad or did it hit the seam between the dirt and turf?
If Taveras had sprinted after that ball, it would have been an easy out!!!!!
Willy starts in and then over his head! Ugh! Some bad play here.
I can’t beat Bruce up for that one. He went a long way, fast, and got rid of it quick.
Willy, on the other hand, just effed that up. Pitching and defense, and so on.
Now Dusty comes out? It’s a little late now, common sense told you Arroyo was losing it fast. Dam Dusty X(
That was abso AWFUL!
Taveras may have just lost this game for us.
Bronson was not happy. He looked out to center before he left.
Jim-Giants broadcasters are really good.
That’s how I played the outfield in high school. My best position was DH.
I think he went one too many batters with Arroyo. Dusty should have gone to a live arm with 2nd & 3rd and 1 out.
Bronson should be unhappy. Taveras cost him two runs.
MHopp-Do you blame Dusty for global warming? That wasn’t his fault. It was a routine fly ball that our CF misplayed.
I missed Bronson looking out to center, damn.
I blame that on Dusty, Taveras playing shallow and Arroyo losing it fast…idiot
Earl-Easy to say now, but he was pitching pretty well and we used most of the bullpen last night. I didn’t have a problem with it.
If you instinctively take a step in, maybe your brain is telling you that you should play deeper in the first place.
I don’t blame him for global warming, but the way Dusty goes through toothpicks, I blame him for the deforestation in the rain forests.
#183 ha!
His pitch count was climbing, but you cant really crush Dusty on that. It was all Willy.
mhopp-Why does every other post blame Dusty for something (and I don’t like Dusty and I think it was his fault for not intentionally walking Pujols, but you are over the top).
Pull-holes. Take a drink.
Red, are you talking about Krukow and Kuiper? They are quite good.
Come on!
The wheels are coming off.
MHopp-There is your boy throwing two wild pitches. I am sure that is Dusty’s fault.
Funny one Jimmy!
Taveras doesn’t get good enough jumps to play as shallow as he does.
Thank you Willy Taveras and Carlos Fisher.
I will have to check out this, Krukow and Kuiper. I heard they were quite bad just the other day.
No, they’re great, Jason. Isn’t one of them on MLB The Show?
Chris G-Yes I am. They are great, love them. Very underrated, probably because nobody wants to watch the Giants.
This is Milwaukee redux.
Me, I put the blame on the players. BUT, I keep hearing from beat writers, announcers, and former players (i.e. experts) that the manager can control his team’s focus, preparation, and performance on “the little things.”
Regardless of who’s to blame, they ain’t getting it done tonight. Sloppy field, sloppy play.
And these guys do the radio side for the Giants?
#175-That is why I played first base. I was horrible at judging fly balls.
Hanigan has a GUN.
Krukow was on a video game a few years ago. May still be.
I watched them a lot when I lived on the West Coast. Giants games seemed to run longer than Padres and Dodgers games, for whatever reason.
I got the numbers from baseball-reference dot com
2009 from team totals.
2008 from batting game log, copied game 1-50 to excel, and summed the columns
Jason-TV
Chris G.-I agree with that and like I said, I don’t think Dusty is the greatest manager in the world by a long shot, but it wears me down to see every move critized and called idiotic. Not EVERYTHING he does is dumb. It’s kind of like the boy who cried wolf, when there is something to truly be critical of (like not walking Pujols) it kind of gets lost in all the sound and fury of the other 100 posts ripping Baker for making the correct move or at least not a wrong move.
Jon Miller is the Giants main radio guy.
The whole batch.
http://mlb.mlb.com/team/broadcasters.jsp?c_id=sf
Gary Radnich still has a show in the Bay area as well, doesn’t he? I remember when he was in Columbus as a TV sport newscaster. He broke the mold and was pretty funny.
#201-I blame steroids for the Giants games running longer LOL
Banner ad running atop Giants.mlb.com:
“Vote Bengie. Vote Giants.”
Mike, who’s usually around here, lives in the bay area. As I recall, though, he turns off the sound and listens to music. But that may just be with George and Brantley.
After watching the replay not only did Taveras come in on the ball but then he didn’t bust it to make up for his initial error. He was flat out drifting for the ball.
Man am I tired of seeing him getting out! What is Willy hitting in the last 15 games? .150 Maybe.
bring Gomes in or game over. Bruce can’t hit lefties but once again Dusty will throw the game away to help an individual try and work through problems…this is Dusty’s main problem
I’m glad I defended Willy Taveres last night. He is making me look like a genius.
Nice at-bat by Dickerson. He really shows some nice plate discipline. He works the count fairly well. An interesting player. Now might be the time to let him play every day or 4-5 times a week. It sounds like he’s relaxed from all accounts.
Man Willy Taveras is really starting to live up to his detractors criticism. He is just not a good hitter. How did he go so bad after that 5-5 game in Arizona?
Willy has been speeding downhill fast since Arizona.
JerBear-I completely agree on all fronts on #213.
Mmhopp- ” ” ” ” #211.
:poke:
I now also agree with pinch hitting for Bruce last inning.
Who is your favorite Cardninal of all-time?
I will go with Ozzie.
Another injury for the Reds? Is that possible?
This is one of those games where I start to think, how in the world are we winning any games with these lineups?! We just don’t have the horses a lot of nights.
Is Hairston Jr. hurt by the way? I thought Dusty was not giving Hairston enough rest with Hairston being prone to injury.
I heard Hairball has the flu.
Winning these games? I would say smoke and mirrors. I actually think the manager is doing a good job.
JHJ had a really solid week last week, even with his power #’s.
Wouldn’t it be weird if the simple act of traveling to Louisville and back cured Burton’s pitching issues?
Burton is back and dominating! Maybe he just needed a day or two away from the team.
Micah Owings game winning grand slam coming up in the next few innings.
None of this would’ve happened if Paul Janish was still alive.
223 – put Willy on that shuttle. Lincoln too.
Where In The World Is Paul Janish??
At some point I’m going to start wondering about the Reds medical staff again. There have been a ton of injuries, and very few have been the traumatic, Ray-King-sitting-on-Austin-Kearns variety.
Good game in Atlanta vs. Cubs if you have MLB.com…5-5 in the 12th. At least the Cubs kinda stink these days.
Who is injured now?
and very few have been the traumatic, Ray-King-sitting-on-Austin-Kearns variety.
Wonder if Kearns still has nightmares about that?
I think maybe we call up all of Louisville and send down all of Cincinnati. And in two weeks everyone will be healthy again and we will be ready to go.
looks like burton forgot about his demotion…YES, they need to bring up part of Carolina and part of Lousiville and with few exceptions, you’d have a better team. A better manager would be nice.
I think luck is the primary reason the Reds have won, and taking advantage of mistakes other teams gave.
Burton got one there.
Rally caps!!!!!
Ryan Franklin has the best goatee in America.
I have to disagree. That goatee looks disturbingly weird.
The Reds are going meekly into the night.
Only 1 K all night and just two runs.
Well, that sucks REALLY bad.
Bleck!
Oh well, at least Bruce got to work on hitting lefties :-((
Not so good tonight. But tomorrow is a new day.