Comments on: Titanic Struggle Recap http://redlegnation.com/2009/05/13/titanic-struggle-recap-32/ A Cincinnati Reds Blog | Dishing out hot, creamy bowls of bloggy goodness Wed, 17 Mar 2010 03:05:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: justcorbly http://redlegnation.com/2009/05/13/titanic-struggle-recap-32/#comment-1653857 justcorbly Wed, 13 May 2009 22:19:51 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/?p=6724#comment-1653857 I've ranted on variantions of this before, but I'll say it again: Good pitching and mediocre hitting will get you farther than mediocre pitching and good hitting. I’ve ranted on variantions of this before, but I’ll say it again: Good pitching and mediocre hitting will get you farther than mediocre pitching and good hitting.

]]> By: pinson343 http://redlegnation.com/2009/05/13/titanic-struggle-recap-32/#comment-1653726 pinson343 Wed, 13 May 2009 21:22:08 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/?p=6724#comment-1653726 The "brushback" pitches were much ado about nothing. BP was leaning over the plate and overreacted. Micah meant to pitch the leadoff guy in the 8th tight but certainly not to hit him, that nearly ended up losing the game for us. The “brushback” pitches were much ado about nothing. BP was leaning over the plate and overreacted. Micah meant to pitch the leadoff guy in the 8th tight but certainly not to hit him, that nearly ended up losing the game for us.

]]> By: pinson343 http://redlegnation.com/2009/05/13/titanic-struggle-recap-32/#comment-1653716 pinson343 Wed, 13 May 2009 21:16:19 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/?p=6724#comment-1653716 Hopper's not on the 40 man roster, I've presumed putting him on it is not a problem if McD is released. Hopper’s not on the 40 man roster, I’ve presumed putting him on it is not a problem if McD is released.

]]> By: mike http://redlegnation.com/2009/05/13/titanic-struggle-recap-32/#comment-1653664 mike Wed, 13 May 2009 20:14:11 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/?p=6724#comment-1653664 I don't think it "ties their hands" much at all. Why? Because there is dead weight on the 40-man roster. so if the Reds want or need to make room it won't be a big deal at all. Hell. Would anyone even notice if McDonald was released? There is a spot right there I don’t think it “ties their hands” much at all.
Why? Because there is dead weight on the 40-man roster. so if the Reds want or need to make room it won’t be a big deal at all.

Hell. Would anyone even notice if McDonald was released? There is a spot right there

]]> By: RiverCity Redleg http://redlegnation.com/2009/05/13/titanic-struggle-recap-32/#comment-1653622 RiverCity Redleg Wed, 13 May 2009 18:55:40 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/?p=6724#comment-1653622 This is one reason why it was crazy to start Alonso on the 40 man, it takes a spot away from someone is is ML-ready that we could use this year. I know that was a condition of him signing, but it really ties their hands. This is one reason why it was crazy to start Alonso on the 40 man, it takes a spot away from someone is is ML-ready that we could use this year. I know that was a condition of him signing, but it really ties their hands.

]]> By: Matt WI http://redlegnation.com/2009/05/13/titanic-struggle-recap-32/#comment-1653615 Matt WI Wed, 13 May 2009 18:31:59 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/?p=6724#comment-1653615 Chris beat me to a citation... it attests to Greg's assertion, with a few more specific circumstances. Chris beat me to a citation… it attests to Greg’s assertion, with a few more specific circumstances.

]]> By: Chris Garber http://redlegnation.com/2009/05/13/titanic-struggle-recap-32/#comment-1653613 Chris Garber Wed, 13 May 2009 18:29:08 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/?p=6724#comment-1653613 Rob Neyer's Transactions Primer http://assets.espn.go.com/mlb/s/transanctionsprimer.html Rob Neyer’s Transactions Primer

http://assets.espn.go.com/mlb/s/transanctionsprimer.html

]]> By: Matt WI http://redlegnation.com/2009/05/13/titanic-struggle-recap-32/#comment-1653607 Matt WI Wed, 13 May 2009 18:24:18 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/?p=6724#comment-1653607 I share Greg's understanding of the 40 man and moving a player up and down such as the case with Bailey (or Rosales)... they can yank them up and down like a yo-yo if they want, at no extra "cost" as long as they stay on the 40 man. I share Greg’s understanding of the 40 man and moving a player up and down such as the case with Bailey (or Rosales)… they can yank them up and down like a yo-yo if they want, at no extra “cost” as long as they stay on the 40 man.

]]> By: GregD http://redlegnation.com/2009/05/13/titanic-struggle-recap-32/#comment-1653579 GregD Wed, 13 May 2009 17:24:54 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/?p=6724#comment-1653579 From yesterday's TSR (Titanic Struggle Recap) comments on the topic of options and the 40-man roster. Redblooded asked if anyone understood the 40-man roster situation: I wrote: <i>Redblooded, If they are in the minors, then they’ve already used their player option for this year. Those players (already on the 40-man) can go up and down all year and it only “costs” the one option. Sutton (who was on the DL when Gonzalez was first hurt but is playing now) and Castillo are both infielders who are already on the 40-man roster.</i> RedBlooded wrote: <i>Greg, This is not quite the story. For instance you can only call up Homer Bailey once. He can not go up and down all year. If he struggles in the majors you can not send him back without exposing him to waivers.</i> Yes, Bailey can go up and down. Any player on the 40-man roster currently in the minor leagues has already used their option year. They can be called up and sent down all year on that option without being exposed to waivers. The only time they would be exposed to waivers is if the Reds attempted to remove a player from the 40-man roster. <i>I’m not sure what the situation is with all the players. I do know that once you call up Stubbs you start the clock since he has not ever been on ML roster. I don’t think you or anyone else wants to call up Sutton or Castillo. Everybody else that has been mentioned is not on the 40 man. So you have to kick someone off the 40 man when EE comes back. </i> Other players who are not on the 40-man roster, would require removing another player. Add Gomes? Have to remove McDonald. Most people would say that is not a problem, but to your point, it would be a problem when Gonzalez is activated from the 15-day DL. Someone has to get sent to the minors. Either a player with options (Dickerson or Rosales) or outright another player from the 40-man roster. Castillo and Sutton aren't optimal solutions, but they are better than playing with a 22-man roster. From yesterday’s TSR (Titanic Struggle Recap) comments on the topic of options and the 40-man roster. Redblooded asked if anyone understood the 40-man roster situation:

I wrote:
Redblooded, If they are in the minors, then they’ve already used their player option for this year. Those players (already on the 40-man) can go up and down all year and it only “costs” the one option. Sutton (who was on the DL when Gonzalez was first hurt but is playing now) and Castillo are both infielders who are already on the 40-man roster.

RedBlooded wrote:

Greg, This is not quite the story. For instance you can only call up Homer Bailey once. He can not go up and down all year. If he struggles in the majors you can not send him back without exposing him to waivers.

Yes, Bailey can go up and down. Any player on the 40-man roster currently in the minor leagues has already used their option year. They can be called up and sent down all year on that option without being exposed to waivers. The only time they would be exposed to waivers is if the Reds attempted to remove a player from the 40-man roster.

I’m not sure what the situation is with all the players. I do know that once you call up Stubbs you start the clock since he has not ever been on ML roster. I don’t think you or anyone else wants to call up Sutton or Castillo. Everybody else that has been mentioned is not on the 40 man. So you have to kick someone off the 40 man when EE comes back.

Other players who are not on the 40-man roster, would require removing another player. Add Gomes? Have to remove McDonald. Most people would say that is not a problem, but to your point, it would be a problem when Gonzalez is activated from the 15-day DL. Someone has to get sent to the minors. Either a player with options (Dickerson or Rosales) or outright another player from the 40-man roster.

Castillo and Sutton aren’t optimal solutions, but they are better than playing with a 22-man roster.

]]> By: taoistlumberjak http://redlegnation.com/2009/05/13/titanic-struggle-recap-32/#comment-1653572 taoistlumberjak Wed, 13 May 2009 17:16:55 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/?p=6724#comment-1653572 Steve Nebraska continues to pull through for us. I still can't get over the fact that there's not a hole rended in our rotation when it's time for number five to hurl that ball. Oh, and he can hit as well. Steve Nebraska continues to pull through for us. I still can’t get over the fact that there’s not a hole rended in our rotation when it’s time for number five to hurl that ball.

Oh, and he can hit as well.

]]> By: GregD http://redlegnation.com/2009/05/13/titanic-struggle-recap-32/#comment-1653569 GregD Wed, 13 May 2009 17:11:06 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/?p=6724#comment-1653569 Yes, I'd compare ERA of the #5 starters last year (over 7) to Owings this year (under 5). W-L record of the starters ignores the Reds 7-5 record in last year's #5 starter no-decision starts. Yes, I’d compare ERA of the #5 starters last year (over 7) to Owings this year (under 5). W-L record of the starters ignores the Reds 7-5 record in last year’s #5 starter no-decision starts.

]]> By: Chris Garber http://redlegnation.com/2009/05/13/titanic-struggle-recap-32/#comment-1653557 Chris Garber Wed, 13 May 2009 16:49:34 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/?p=6724#comment-1653557 I'm not sure Owings hit him on purpose. The ball came out of his hand funny. BP did overreact, but that's b/c he dives in, a little. And pitching him inside was appropriate - not because he watched that moonshot for 0.5 seconds, but because he has been killing the ball and they needed to "change his eye level." That said, this is the type of nonsense that often starts a minor beanball war. I’m not sure Owings hit him on purpose. The ball came out of his hand funny.

BP did overreact, but that’s b/c he dives in, a little. And pitching him inside was appropriate – not because he watched that moonshot for 0.5 seconds, but because he has been killing the ball and they needed to “change his eye level.”

That said, this is the type of nonsense that often starts a minor beanball war.

]]> By: Sultan of Swaff http://redlegnation.com/2009/05/13/titanic-struggle-recap-32/#comment-1653548 Sultan of Swaff Wed, 13 May 2009 16:11:13 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/?p=6724#comment-1653548 The only negative I saw last night was Bruce's struggles against lefties. Pretty hapless. But yeah, his range is phenomenal. The AZ broadcasters we're making a huge deal out of Owings beaning Roberts after the two brushback pitches to Phillips, who overreacted big time. Mark Grace was SURE that there would be retaliation in the 9th. When that didn't happen, he was SURE there would be payback tonite. What a bonehead. The only negative I saw last night was Bruce’s struggles against lefties. Pretty hapless. But yeah, his range is phenomenal.
The AZ broadcasters we’re making a huge deal out of Owings beaning Roberts after the two brushback pitches to Phillips, who overreacted big time. Mark Grace was SURE that there would be retaliation in the 9th. When that didn’t happen, he was SURE there would be payback tonite. What a bonehead.

]]> By: Dan http://redlegnation.com/2009/05/13/titanic-struggle-recap-32/#comment-1653538 Dan Wed, 13 May 2009 15:21:16 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/?p=6724#comment-1653538 Personally, I've never understood the obsession w/ the terminology "#1 starter," "#2 starter," etc. I suppose it can give you a way to classify how well someone is pitching, but basically at this point, it doesn't matter who's what. If they stay healthy, unless something changes, Arroyo, Cueto, Harang, Owings, and Volquez will all get somewhere between, say, 30 and 34 starts this year. Personally, I’ve never understood the obsession w/ the terminology “#1 starter,” “#2 starter,” etc.

I suppose it can give you a way to classify how well someone is pitching, but basically at this point, it doesn’t matter who’s what. If they stay healthy, unless something changes, Arroyo, Cueto, Harang, Owings, and Volquez will all get somewhere between, say, 30 and 34 starts this year.

]]> By: Bill Lack http://redlegnation.com/2009/05/13/titanic-struggle-recap-32/#comment-1653533 Bill Lack Wed, 13 May 2009 15:15:16 +0000 http://redlegnation.com/?p=6724#comment-1653533 Matt, more importantly, the ERA of the #5 starter was something over 7....wins and losses isn't much of a way to judge (see Arroyo, Bronson)..but I'll take a 4.33 ERA out of my #5 starter. My question is, when are they going to quit calling Cueto the Reds #3 starter? Matt, more importantly, the ERA of the #5 starter was something over 7….wins and losses isn’t much of a way to judge (see Arroyo, Bronson)..but I’ll take a 4.33 ERA out of my #5 starter. My question is, when are they going to quit calling Cueto the Reds #3 starter?

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