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		<title>By: Chad Dotson</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/04/23/titanic-struggle-recap-15/#comment-1623649</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Dotson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the defense, JJ, but it&#039;s not necessary. I&#039;ve come to terms with the fact that some people want you to praise the Reds about the good stuff and shut up about anything even mildly critical, rather than trying to make counter-arguments (and those counter-arguments are the fun part of this blog). I usually try to ignore it after 4+ years here.

No fewer than four times in this thread alone, I alluded to how much fun it has been to follow this team lately and how much I&#039;m enjoying the wins. Of course, Dallas conveniently ignored that.

Sometimes I wonder why I&#039;ve wasted so much money on this site over the years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the defense, JJ, but it&#8217;s not necessary. I&#8217;ve come to terms with the fact that some people want you to praise the Reds about the good stuff and shut up about anything even mildly critical, rather than trying to make counter-arguments (and those counter-arguments are the fun part of this blog). I usually try to ignore it after 4+ years here.</p>
<p>No fewer than four times in this thread alone, I alluded to how much fun it has been to follow this team lately and how much I&#8217;m enjoying the wins. Of course, Dallas conveniently ignored that.</p>
<p>Sometimes I wonder why I&#8217;ve wasted so much money on this site over the years.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy James</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/04/23/titanic-struggle-recap-15/#comment-1623612</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you should try reading what Chad has written before saying something dumb. We&#039;re ALL enjoying the wins. 

Doesn&#039;t mean we can&#039;t hope for the Reds to play better, does it? And if we can&#039;t analyze this team and what they are doing right and what they are doing wrong, then what&#039;s the point?

Or maybe we should all just say YAY and ignore anything about the team that isn&#039;t peaches and cream! Personally, I prefer discussing the team in all its aspects, warts and all. Feel free to ignore that stuff if you want, but don&#039;t come here and criticizing people for not putting their heads in the sand like you. 

Sorry. Just sick of people criticizing others for discussing the team in anything less than glowing terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you should try reading what Chad has written before saying something dumb. We&#8217;re ALL enjoying the wins. </p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t mean we can&#8217;t hope for the Reds to play better, does it? And if we can&#8217;t analyze this team and what they are doing right and what they are doing wrong, then what&#8217;s the point?</p>
<p>Or maybe we should all just say YAY and ignore anything about the team that isn&#8217;t peaches and cream! Personally, I prefer discussing the team in all its aspects, warts and all. Feel free to ignore that stuff if you want, but don&#8217;t come here and criticizing people for not putting their heads in the sand like you. </p>
<p>Sorry. Just sick of people criticizing others for discussing the team in anything less than glowing terms.</p>
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		<title>By: Dallas</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/04/23/titanic-struggle-recap-15/#comment-1623572</link>
		<dc:creator>Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The point is that many of us are worried about the offense, and the Reds not being able to outscore the opposition on a regular basis. And that’s something we’ve been concerned about since before spring training. Nothing I’ve seen has convinced me that the Reds have a chance to be anything but a bottom-10 offense in MLB.&quot;
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Some people see a 7-3 road trip and say &quot;Yay!&quot;

Others see a 7-3 road trip and say &quot;But they aren&#039;t winning BY ENOUGH!&quot;

Come on, just enjoy the wins already!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The point is that many of us are worried about the offense, and the Reds not being able to outscore the opposition on a regular basis. And that’s something we’ve been concerned about since before spring training. Nothing I’ve seen has convinced me that the Reds have a chance to be anything but a bottom-10 offense in MLB.&#8221;<br />
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Some people see a 7-3 road trip and say &#8220;Yay!&#8221;</p>
<p>Others see a 7-3 road trip and say &#8220;But they aren&#8217;t winning BY ENOUGH!&#8221;</p>
<p>Come on, just enjoy the wins already!</p>
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		<title>By: Surf City Red</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/04/23/titanic-struggle-recap-15/#comment-1623380</link>
		<dc:creator>Surf City Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I enjoyed this road trip. I’d love to see a West Coast road trip go like this one did.&quot;

Me too, I live in Orange County and always go to a few Reds/Dodgers games. It&#039;s been awhile since I&#039;ve seen the Reds win live and in person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I enjoyed this road trip. I’d love to see a West Coast road trip go like this one did.&#8221;</p>
<p>Me too, I live in Orange County and always go to a few Reds/Dodgers games. It&#8217;s been awhile since I&#8217;ve seen the Reds win live and in person.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/04/23/titanic-struggle-recap-15/#comment-1623349</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FanGraphs&#039; numbers show much bigger problems with Range.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=319&amp;position=OF#fielding</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FanGraphs&#8217; numbers show much bigger problems with Range.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=319&amp;position=OF#fielding" rel="nofollow">http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=319&amp;position=OF#fielding</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/04/23/titanic-struggle-recap-15/#comment-1623348</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Just remember how many lazy fly balls landed in shallow left or in the gap when Dunn played out there. And please don’t tell me about Dunns fielding percentage, he caught the balls that were hit at him yes, but the guy had NO RANGE.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t remember a disproportionate number of &quot;lazy fly balls&quot; falling in front, or beside Adam Dunn.  Which is why we can&#039;t rely on what we observe, alone.  (I also suspect that the inclusion of &quot;lazy&quot; into the description says more about your view of Dunn than it does the fly balls.)

But let&#039;s look at the actual numbers:

First, his fielding pct is actually where some of his problems lied:  .969 career, vs. .981 for average LFs.  

Range factor/9:  Dunn 1.97 vs. 1.93 for average LFs.

Zone Rating I can&#039;t get good numbers for right now.  Same with +/-.  That stuff may give us more depth, but based on the two most readily-available numbers, I&#039;d say that Dunn got to plenty of balls . . . then screwed up once he was there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Just remember how many lazy fly balls landed in shallow left or in the gap when Dunn played out there. And please don’t tell me about Dunns fielding percentage, he caught the balls that were hit at him yes, but the guy had NO RANGE.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember a disproportionate number of &#8220;lazy fly balls&#8221; falling in front, or beside Adam Dunn.  Which is why we can&#8217;t rely on what we observe, alone.  (I also suspect that the inclusion of &#8220;lazy&#8221; into the description says more about your view of Dunn than it does the fly balls.)</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s look at the actual numbers:</p>
<p>First, his fielding pct is actually where some of his problems lied:  .969 career, vs. .981 for average LFs.  </p>
<p>Range factor/9:  Dunn 1.97 vs. 1.93 for average LFs.</p>
<p>Zone Rating I can&#8217;t get good numbers for right now.  Same with +/-.  That stuff may give us more depth, but based on the two most readily-available numbers, I&#8217;d say that Dunn got to plenty of balls . . . then screwed up once he was there.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/04/23/titanic-struggle-recap-15/#comment-1623345</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick responses:

* &lt;i&gt;A couple&lt;/i&gt; teams in history made the playoffs with a negative run differential.  &quot;A couple.&quot;  And both in &lt;b&gt;horrible&lt;/b&gt; divisions.

* Yes, BP and EE are likely to improve, but Votto isn&#039;t going to hit like Lou Gehrig all year.  And who knows about Willy.  

* We &lt;i&gt;assume&lt;/i&gt; that Gonzalez and Hernandez can&#039;t hit &lt;i&gt;this bad&lt;/i&gt; all season - or that they&#039;d lose their job.  But then: Corey Patterson.

* I swear I read somewhere reputable yesterday that the Reds are only 7/18 in Steals.  B-R says 8/10.  I think the writer used the Reds&#039; &lt;i&gt;ranks&lt;/i&gt; in each category (7th and 11th), rather than their numbers.  I still thought they&#039;d be running more, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick responses:</p>
<p>* <i>A couple</i> teams in history made the playoffs with a negative run differential.  &#8220;A couple.&#8221;  And both in <b>horrible</b> divisions.</p>
<p>* Yes, BP and EE are likely to improve, but Votto isn&#8217;t going to hit like Lou Gehrig all year.  And who knows about Willy.  </p>
<p>* We <i>assume</i> that Gonzalez and Hernandez can&#8217;t hit <i>this bad</i> all season &#8211; or that they&#8217;d lose their job.  But then: Corey Patterson.</p>
<p>* I swear I read somewhere reputable yesterday that the Reds are only 7/18 in Steals.  B-R says 8/10.  I think the writer used the Reds&#8217; <i>ranks</i> in each category (7th and 11th), rather than their numbers.  I still thought they&#8217;d be running more, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Cary Loughman</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/04/23/titanic-struggle-recap-15/#comment-1623305</link>
		<dc:creator>Cary Loughman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that this offense could be a middling offense after all is said and done.  I know that is outside the comfort zone for Reds fans, who love the mashing.

The beating up on Dickerson&#039;s D is certainly unfair.  He had a bad couple of days in a notoriously tough LF with cold and the wind blowing in for the entire series.  Maybe he should start doing Soriono&#039;s bunny hop.  Counting the number of errors thus far and comparing to Dunn is just silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that this offense could be a middling offense after all is said and done.  I know that is outside the comfort zone for Reds fans, who love the mashing.</p>
<p>The beating up on Dickerson&#8217;s D is certainly unfair.  He had a bad couple of days in a notoriously tough LF with cold and the wind blowing in for the entire series.  Maybe he should start doing Soriono&#8217;s bunny hop.  Counting the number of errors thus far and comparing to Dunn is just silly.</p>
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		<title>By: GregD</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/04/23/titanic-struggle-recap-15/#comment-1623256</link>
		<dc:creator>GregD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course these are all small samples, but...

after the Reds started the season 1-3, they&#039;ve gone 8-3 their last 11 games.  They&#039;ve outscored their opponents during this stretch 40-37.  

They&#039;ve also won 4 of their last 5, outscoring the opponent 20-13.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course these are all small samples, but&#8230;</p>
<p>after the Reds started the season 1-3, they&#8217;ve gone 8-3 their last 11 games.  They&#8217;ve outscored their opponents during this stretch 40-37.  </p>
<p>They&#8217;ve also won 4 of their last 5, outscoring the opponent 20-13.</p>
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		<title>By: GregD</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/04/23/titanic-struggle-recap-15/#comment-1623246</link>
		<dc:creator>GregD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The big question about the close ones is: How well will this bullpen hold up ?&quot;

I think the question could be applied to the pitching as a whole.  How consistent will the starters be?  

While the pythag works &quot;on average&quot; the team hasn&#039;t had an &quot;average&quot; pitching performance yet.  They&#039;ve allowed an average of 4.3 runs per game, but they either allow very little runs (2 or fewer runs 7 times) or a lot of runs (6 or more runs 7 times.)

They&#039;ve been more consistent offensively, scoring 2-4 runs 8 times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The big question about the close ones is: How well will this bullpen hold up ?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the question could be applied to the pitching as a whole.  How consistent will the starters be?  </p>
<p>While the pythag works &#8220;on average&#8221; the team hasn&#8217;t had an &#8220;average&#8221; pitching performance yet.  They&#8217;ve allowed an average of 4.3 runs per game, but they either allow very little runs (2 or fewer runs 7 times) or a lot of runs (6 or more runs 7 times.)</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve been more consistent offensively, scoring 2-4 runs 8 times.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/04/23/titanic-struggle-recap-15/#comment-1623215</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I didn’t quite get why the Cubs dropped the cash for Bradley when they could have gotten Dunn as a left handled bat&lt;/i&gt;
Maybe they tried....  maybe Dunn didn&#039;t want to play for the sucky Cubs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I didn’t quite get why the Cubs dropped the cash for Bradley when they could have gotten Dunn as a left handled bat</i><br />
Maybe they tried&#8230;.  maybe Dunn didn&#8217;t want to play for the sucky Cubs</p>
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		<title>By: brublejr</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/04/23/titanic-struggle-recap-15/#comment-1623175</link>
		<dc:creator>brublejr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This game was a great game all around outside of the errors.  It sure is fun when they are winning.  I think the offense is bad, but there is no way it will continue to be that bad.  And as noted above, other than a couple of meltdowns by the bullpen and the errors that caused Owings 3 extra unearned runs...the difference would not be as bad as it appears.

By the way Joey Votto is a stud and the stupid cubs suck.  Nothing is better than beating the crap out of the cubs. :grin:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This game was a great game all around outside of the errors.  It sure is fun when they are winning.  I think the offense is bad, but there is no way it will continue to be that bad.  And as noted above, other than a couple of meltdowns by the bullpen and the errors that caused Owings 3 extra unearned runs&#8230;the difference would not be as bad as it appears.</p>
<p>By the way Joey Votto is a stud and the stupid cubs suck.  Nothing is better than beating the crap out of the cubs. <img src='http://redlegnation.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':grin:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: pinson343</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/04/23/titanic-struggle-recap-15/#comment-1622906</link>
		<dc:creator>pinson343</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dbacks made the playoffs while being outscored a couple years ago, and the SF Giants did it at least once in their good stretch early in this decade. 

The pythag formula gives a better projection on average than the current record. &quot;Better&quot; doesn&#039;t mean you can predict the future with it and &quot;on average&quot; speaks for itself. Teams with good bullpens win most of their close games and overachieve wrt pythag. 

The big question about the close ones is: How well will this bullpen hold up ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dbacks made the playoffs while being outscored a couple years ago, and the SF Giants did it at least once in their good stretch early in this decade. </p>
<p>The pythag formula gives a better projection on average than the current record. &#8220;Better&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean you can predict the future with it and &#8220;on average&#8221; speaks for itself. Teams with good bullpens win most of their close games and overachieve wrt pythag. </p>
<p>The big question about the close ones is: How well will this bullpen hold up ?</p>
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		<title>By: Abner</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/04/23/titanic-struggle-recap-15/#comment-1622646</link>
		<dc:creator>Abner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t the Diamondbacks make the playoffs a few years back while being outscored over the course of a year. While I appreciate the lopsided victories, like Karl Rove says, you just have to win by 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t the Diamondbacks make the playoffs a few years back while being outscored over the course of a year. While I appreciate the lopsided victories, like Karl Rove says, you just have to win by 1.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Dotson</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/04/23/titanic-struggle-recap-15/#comment-1622414</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Dotson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 02:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have no idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have no idea.</p>
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