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		<title>By: Plowboy</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/03/05/bp-and-obp-continued/#comment-1502706</link>
		<dc:creator>Plowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get off his back.

Why?  ONLY because he&#039;s the only established &quot;superstar&quot; the Reds have, and that enough should tell us to cut him some slack.

There&#039;s no Griffey or Dunn to kick around anymore.

Fact: He IS a ridiculously good defensive player and should be moved to shortstop - yeah, right, but still true, nonetheless.  SS is still the most athleticially challenging position on the field, and BP is THE BEST overall player on the field - hands down and not even close at this point. 

Fact:  He IS seemingly clueless when it comes to smart offensive baseball - hence, his way-too-low OBP, regardless of his speed and skillset.  

As we all know, BP is darn near singularly gifted with the holy &quot;5 tools.&quot;  The problem is - HE DOESN&#039;T KNOW IT! Or more accurately, he knows it, yet doesn&#039;t know how to utilize it.

Someone in the Reds organization please personally have Eric Davis trail this guy every single day before he shortchanges his career with delusions of grandeur!

I agree:  Hit him cleanup against lefties and 6th against righties......but it won&#039;t happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get off his back.</p>
<p>Why?  ONLY because he&#8217;s the only established &#8220;superstar&#8221; the Reds have, and that enough should tell us to cut him some slack.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no Griffey or Dunn to kick around anymore.</p>
<p>Fact: He IS a ridiculously good defensive player and should be moved to shortstop &#8211; yeah, right, but still true, nonetheless.  SS is still the most athleticially challenging position on the field, and BP is THE BEST overall player on the field &#8211; hands down and not even close at this point. </p>
<p>Fact:  He IS seemingly clueless when it comes to smart offensive baseball &#8211; hence, his way-too-low OBP, regardless of his speed and skillset.  </p>
<p>As we all know, BP is darn near singularly gifted with the holy &#8220;5 tools.&#8221;  The problem is &#8211; HE DOESN&#8217;T KNOW IT! Or more accurately, he knows it, yet doesn&#8217;t know how to utilize it.</p>
<p>Someone in the Reds organization please personally have Eric Davis trail this guy every single day before he shortchanges his career with delusions of grandeur!</p>
<p>I agree:  Hit him cleanup against lefties and 6th against righties&#8230;&#8230;but it won&#8217;t happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Price</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/03/05/bp-and-obp-continued/#comment-1502234</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will also say this, though, for someone who fell out of favor after getting many chances (hoping that Alonso adjusts better)...

I remember the day Brandon Larson was &quot;recalled&quot; by the Reds after having just been sent down about two days earlier.  He gets in his car and is driving to Cincinnati from Louisville, and he gets a call on his cellphone telling him to return to Louisville.

Turns out the Reds weren&#039;t allowed to recall him for 10 days after being sent down (Bowden made these mistakes somewhat often...I&#039;m in a hurry and can&#039;t think of their names, but I think we lost two AAAA type first basemen/bordering on big league power hitters due to waiver mistakes during Bowden&#039;s time).

Larson could have easily gone home and sulked, but he goes to the Louisville ballpark and signs autographs for the kids in his street clothes with a smile.

I kept rooting for him (he played catch with my oldest son in Louisville the first time he ever went to a game), but it just didn&#039;t happen for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will also say this, though, for someone who fell out of favor after getting many chances (hoping that Alonso adjusts better)&#8230;</p>
<p>I remember the day Brandon Larson was &#8220;recalled&#8221; by the Reds after having just been sent down about two days earlier.  He gets in his car and is driving to Cincinnati from Louisville, and he gets a call on his cellphone telling him to return to Louisville.</p>
<p>Turns out the Reds weren&#8217;t allowed to recall him for 10 days after being sent down (Bowden made these mistakes somewhat often&#8230;I&#8217;m in a hurry and can&#8217;t think of their names, but I think we lost two AAAA type first basemen/bordering on big league power hitters due to waiver mistakes during Bowden&#8217;s time).</p>
<p>Larson could have easily gone home and sulked, but he goes to the Louisville ballpark and signs autographs for the kids in his street clothes with a smile.</p>
<p>I kept rooting for him (he played catch with my oldest son in Louisville the first time he ever went to a game), but it just didn&#8217;t happen for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Price</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/03/05/bp-and-obp-continued/#comment-1502221</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 20:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No question...we were touring the Bats clubhouse a couple of years ago and someone had &quot;Big League&quot; taped over Jared Burton&#039;s locker...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No question&#8230;we were touring the Bats clubhouse a couple of years ago and someone had &#8220;Big League&#8221; taped over Jared Burton&#8217;s locker&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/03/05/bp-and-obp-continued/#comment-1502135</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, I know I&#039;m not telling you anything you don&#039;t know, but many minor leaguers have big egos too...&lt;g&gt;&lt;/g&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, I know I&#8217;m not telling you anything you don&#8217;t know, but many minor leaguers have big egos too&#8230;<g></g></p>
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		<title>By: per14</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/03/05/bp-and-obp-continued/#comment-1502117</link>
		<dc:creator>per14</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he too shouldn&#039;t be taken too literally in his interviews. Heck, I even like him and his fun enthusiasm.  That doesn&#039;t mitigate the fact that he can&#039;t get on base and grounds into double plays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he too shouldn&#8217;t be taken too literally in his interviews. Heck, I even like him and his fun enthusiasm.  That doesn&#8217;t mitigate the fact that he can&#8217;t get on base and grounds into double plays.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see Phillips lay off the low outside slider, and also to drive the pitch on the outside corner into the RCF gap for a double like Larkin used to do.

Swinging at everything, and trying to yank everything for a HR, gets him trouble, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see Phillips lay off the low outside slider, and also to drive the pitch on the outside corner into the RCF gap for a double like Larkin used to do.</p>
<p>Swinging at everything, and trying to yank everything for a HR, gets him trouble, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Price</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion, Phillips is the most fun to watch player on the Reds right now.  I do like his enthusiasm, and I think he&#039;s substantially subdued from his Indian days when he they couldn&#039;t have found a faster way to get him into Lake Erie.

I think Preach is on target with how the Reds&#039; players are managed.  Yes, they have egoes, and I think they need big egoes at this level to be successful...

Still, he&#039;s not as good as advertised....and I think he may be able to bring the most value back to the Reds in a deal....and may be the one of the most replaceable (after over paid middle relievers, centerfielder, and catcher).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, Phillips is the most fun to watch player on the Reds right now.  I do like his enthusiasm, and I think he&#8217;s substantially subdued from his Indian days when he they couldn&#8217;t have found a faster way to get him into Lake Erie.</p>
<p>I think Preach is on target with how the Reds&#8217; players are managed.  Yes, they have egoes, and I think they need big egoes at this level to be successful&#8230;</p>
<p>Still, he&#8217;s not as good as advertised&#8230;.and I think he may be able to bring the most value back to the Reds in a deal&#8230;.and may be the one of the most replaceable (after over paid middle relievers, centerfielder, and catcher).</p>
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		<title>By: preach</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/03/05/bp-and-obp-continued/#comment-1502027</link>
		<dc:creator>preach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, the guy does seem to have a lot of fun with interviewers and I don&#039;t think that translates so well to the written word sometimes. I think he&#039;s a good guy and I&#039;m glad he&#039;s here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the guy does seem to have a lot of fun with interviewers and I don&#8217;t think that translates so well to the written word sometimes. I think he&#8217;s a good guy and I&#8217;m glad he&#8217;s here.</p>
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		<title>By: pinson343</title>
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		<dc:creator>pinson343</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 09:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard BP give a long live radio interview to Paul Daughtery last nite, and in his case I think you can&#039;t jump on a quote or even a full text of what he said and conclude much. He has a lively sense of humor and likes to have fun with the interviewer.  
He enjoys NOT telling the interviewer (and the listening audience) what they want to hear. 

He&#039;s so full of enthusiasm and positive energy that even as he was ridiculing Daughtery&#039;s shirt and some of his questions, he was respectful.  He said a dozen different things that, taken out of context, would sound egotistical or just plain dumb.

He refused to say that he&#039;d be more &quot;selective&quot; this year, as he doesn&#039;t like the word &quot;selective&quot; applied to hitting. But he did say that he knows pitchers were pitching a little away from him the second half of last year and getting him to chase, and that he would have to adjust to that.  Then he was asked what he would do this year when he goes a while without getting a hit (he doesn&#039;t like the word &quot;slump&quot;). His reply:  &quot;Swing at the first pitch.&quot;  I couldn&#039;t stop laughing.

He&#039;s the rare athelete who interviews without cliches and is unguarded,  spontaneous, and having a lot of fun. I think it&#039;s his approach to everything, I&#039;m glad he&#039;s a Red.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard BP give a long live radio interview to Paul Daughtery last nite, and in his case I think you can&#8217;t jump on a quote or even a full text of what he said and conclude much. He has a lively sense of humor and likes to have fun with the interviewer.<br />
He enjoys NOT telling the interviewer (and the listening audience) what they want to hear. </p>
<p>He&#8217;s so full of enthusiasm and positive energy that even as he was ridiculing Daughtery&#8217;s shirt and some of his questions, he was respectful.  He said a dozen different things that, taken out of context, would sound egotistical or just plain dumb.</p>
<p>He refused to say that he&#8217;d be more &#8220;selective&#8221; this year, as he doesn&#8217;t like the word &#8220;selective&#8221; applied to hitting. But he did say that he knows pitchers were pitching a little away from him the second half of last year and getting him to chase, and that he would have to adjust to that.  Then he was asked what he would do this year when he goes a while without getting a hit (he doesn&#8217;t like the word &#8220;slump&#8221;). His reply:  &#8220;Swing at the first pitch.&#8221;  I couldn&#8217;t stop laughing.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s the rare athelete who interviews without cliches and is unguarded,  spontaneous, and having a lot of fun. I think it&#8217;s his approach to everything, I&#8217;m glad he&#8217;s a Red.</p>
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		<title>By: preach</title>
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		<dc:creator>preach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 06:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know, BP has done everything asked of him and I believe has been a positive addition to the ball club in every way. I think it&#039;s unfortunate that what is being asked of him isn&#039;t the best use of his skill set. I think he&#039;s come a long way from his &#039;franchise&#039; days. But like so many other players on this team I have to question how he is being managed.  And if we had signed a couple of decent bats in the off season perhaps he would say &#039;anywhere&#039; instead of &#039;anywhere one through four&#039;.

Does he have a big ego? Certainly. But name me a club that doesn&#039;t, especially amongst its better players. Perhaps if he wasn&#039;t one of the best players on the team his ego would be a little more in check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, BP has done everything asked of him and I believe has been a positive addition to the ball club in every way. I think it&#8217;s unfortunate that what is being asked of him isn&#8217;t the best use of his skill set. I think he&#8217;s come a long way from his &#8216;franchise&#8217; days. But like so many other players on this team I have to question how he is being managed.  And if we had signed a couple of decent bats in the off season perhaps he would say &#8216;anywhere&#8217; instead of &#8216;anywhere one through four&#8217;.</p>
<p>Does he have a big ego? Certainly. But name me a club that doesn&#8217;t, especially amongst its better players. Perhaps if he wasn&#8217;t one of the best players on the team his ego would be a little more in check.</p>
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		<title>By: Y-City Jim</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/03/05/bp-and-obp-continued/#comment-1501366</link>
		<dc:creator>Y-City Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 04:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, that is exactly what drove Wedge and Shapiro up the wall. Every attempt to get him to make some adjustments was meant with that egotistical arrogance of his so off to Buffalo they would send him. 

His most popular spot in the order in Cleveland?

The 9th spot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, that is exactly what drove Wedge and Shapiro up the wall. Every attempt to get him to make some adjustments was meant with that egotistical arrogance of his so off to Buffalo they would send him. </p>
<p>His most popular spot in the order in Cleveland?</p>
<p>The 9th spot.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Price</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 03:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow...I had grown so benign to Phillips batting fourth, I didn&#039;t realize....114 out of 162 games last year...

as for saving runs, Baseball Prospectus estimates Phillips saved 13 runs more than the average second baseman last year, saving 14 more the previous year, but allowed 15 more than the average second baseman his first year with the Reds.  For his three years with the Reds, it&#039;s estimated that he&#039;s saved 18 more runs than the average second baseman total over that period.

It says he produced three less runs than the average second baseman last  year on offense, produced nine more than average in 2007, and one less than average in 2006, for a plus five over three years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow&#8230;I had grown so benign to Phillips batting fourth, I didn&#8217;t realize&#8230;.114 out of 162 games last year&#8230;</p>
<p>as for saving runs, Baseball Prospectus estimates Phillips saved 13 runs more than the average second baseman last year, saving 14 more the previous year, but allowed 15 more than the average second baseman his first year with the Reds.  For his three years with the Reds, it&#8217;s estimated that he&#8217;s saved 18 more runs than the average second baseman total over that period.</p>
<p>It says he produced three less runs than the average second baseman last  year on offense, produced nine more than average in 2007, and one less than average in 2006, for a plus five over three years.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/03/05/bp-and-obp-continued/#comment-1501118</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 01:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really glad Bill posted this, because my headline was going to be &quot;Why I Don&#039;t Like Brandon Phillips.&quot;

It&#039;s one thing to be a stubborn ass and pretend OBP is some newfangled geek stat.  He can be willfully stupid about what matters in winning ballgames.  That&#039;s not that unusual, among ballplayers (and writers, radio announcers, etc).

He can backhandedly bash his former teammates, pretending that Adam Dunn&#039;s 40 HR made the team lose (as opposed to Eric Milton&#039;s 6.00+ ERA).  That&#039;s bush, but whatever.

What he CANNOT do, is blow off his &quot;player-friendly&quot; manager.  Despite his faults, Dusty Baker was giving Brandon Phillips exactly the right advice, in exactly the right way.  He explained WHY Phillips needs to be more selective - not because patience is an end unto itself, but because pitchers were *specifically* taking advantage of BP&#039;s lack of discipline.

But Brandon Me-First Phillips just KNOWS he&#039;s a great hitter with no need for improvement (&quot;especially for a second baseman.”)  (Which explains why there&#039;s no position change).  

The most amusing thing is that, although he &quot;doesn&#039;t believe&quot; in On-Base Percentage, he immediately cherry-picks some stats to make the case for his &quot;good&quot; season.  I never knew &quot;20-20-70&quot; had some special significance. 

I really dislike that guy, actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really glad Bill posted this, because my headline was going to be &#8220;Why I Don&#8217;t Like Brandon Phillips.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing to be a stubborn ass and pretend OBP is some newfangled geek stat.  He can be willfully stupid about what matters in winning ballgames.  That&#8217;s not that unusual, among ballplayers (and writers, radio announcers, etc).</p>
<p>He can backhandedly bash his former teammates, pretending that Adam Dunn&#8217;s 40 HR made the team lose (as opposed to Eric Milton&#8217;s 6.00+ ERA).  That&#8217;s bush, but whatever.</p>
<p>What he CANNOT do, is blow off his &#8220;player-friendly&#8221; manager.  Despite his faults, Dusty Baker was giving Brandon Phillips exactly the right advice, in exactly the right way.  He explained WHY Phillips needs to be more selective &#8211; not because patience is an end unto itself, but because pitchers were *specifically* taking advantage of BP&#8217;s lack of discipline.</p>
<p>But Brandon Me-First Phillips just KNOWS he&#8217;s a great hitter with no need for improvement (&#8220;especially for a second baseman.”)  (Which explains why there&#8217;s no position change).  </p>
<p>The most amusing thing is that, although he &#8220;doesn&#8217;t believe&#8221; in On-Base Percentage, he immediately cherry-picks some stats to make the case for his &#8220;good&#8221; season.  I never knew &#8220;20-20-70&#8243; had some special significance. </p>
<p>I really dislike that guy, actually.</p>
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		<title>By: rpa</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no way the brewers would trade escobar for phillips.  they might trade weeks straight up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no way the brewers would trade escobar for phillips.  they might trade weeks straight up.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 22:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also intrigued by Weeks as an athletic CF or LF in a B.J. Upton-type move, but now I&#039;m just wildly speculating...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also intrigued by Weeks as an athletic CF or LF in a B.J. Upton-type move, but now I&#8217;m just wildly speculating&#8230;</p>
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