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		<title>By: brublejr</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/01/09/do-not-read-this-article/#comment-1380367</link>
		<dc:creator>brublejr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Bill, that was a bad ommission.  

Phil, I agree with that as well, some had to move and I noted that.  I&#039;m not saying that moving him is the best option, but it very well could be a good option.

Talking about an established SS,
Word is that Michael Young wants out of Texas because they are trying to move him to 3b.  I&#039;m not saying that we should go after him, but what would it take to get him?  EE, Arroyo, and a prospect?  I&#039;m sure it would be a lot.  Any thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bill, that was a bad ommission.  </p>
<p>Phil, I agree with that as well, some had to move and I noted that.  I&#8217;m not saying that moving him is the best option, but it very well could be a good option.</p>
<p>Talking about an established SS,<br />
Word is that Michael Young wants out of Texas because they are trying to move him to 3b.  I&#8217;m not saying that we should go after him, but what would it take to get him?  EE, Arroyo, and a prospect?  I&#8217;m sure it would be a lot.  Any thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Phill</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/01/09/do-not-read-this-article/#comment-1380247</link>
		<dc:creator>Phill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 15:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed that they don&#039;t have anyone down the line at this point but Phillips&#039; minor league stats at shortstop read out very similar to Chris Valaikia but BP has shown to be a great defender.

A-Rod switched positions as part of a trade to a new team because the New York Yankees are too stubborn to realize that Derek Jeter is not a shortstop any longer. 

What position did Ichiro swap? Right field to now being center/right? That&#039;s not as major a change as 2b-SS or 1b-3b or however else you draw out an infielder role change.

The problem with a majority of your examples a few excluded such as Craig Biggio is that these guys weren&#039;t top defenders in their prime switching out of the kindness of their hearts. They were switching positions because they were too old to be good there. They had slowed due to injuries and other ailments. 

If we have all these prospects with blocked positions then you can trade them for a major league ready or established player such as a shortstop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed that they don&#8217;t have anyone down the line at this point but Phillips&#8217; minor league stats at shortstop read out very similar to Chris Valaikia but BP has shown to be a great defender.</p>
<p>A-Rod switched positions as part of a trade to a new team because the New York Yankees are too stubborn to realize that Derek Jeter is not a shortstop any longer. </p>
<p>What position did Ichiro swap? Right field to now being center/right? That&#8217;s not as major a change as 2b-SS or 1b-3b or however else you draw out an infielder role change.</p>
<p>The problem with a majority of your examples a few excluded such as Craig Biggio is that these guys weren&#8217;t top defenders in their prime switching out of the kindness of their hearts. They were switching positions because they were too old to be good there. They had slowed due to injuries and other ailments. </p>
<p>If we have all these prospects with blocked positions then you can trade them for a major league ready or established player such as a shortstop.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/01/09/do-not-read-this-article/#comment-1379978</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brublejr...forgot the most important one in Reds history, IMO, Rose. He was a Gold Glover in the OF (&#039;69 &amp; &#039;70) but moved to improve the team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brublejr&#8230;forgot the most important one in Reds history, IMO, Rose. He was a Gold Glover in the OF (&#8216;69 &#038; &#8216;70) but moved to improve the team.</p>
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		<title>By: brublejr</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/01/09/do-not-read-this-article/#comment-1379661</link>
		<dc:creator>brublejr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 09:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been a few to switch positions, most of them because it is toward the end of their career and it needed to be done.  But the biggest comparision would be Arod.  He went to a new team and switched positions because of Jeter and he was a gold glove winner.  Others who have switched include Biggio, Ripkin Jr, Bench, Griffey, and Ichiro. 

I am not saying that you should move a GGW but really who is there to play short in the future?  Janish..NO, Valaikia...Probably not at short...Do you really want to go back into free agency and pick up someone like Gonzalez...No thanks.

My point is that they really need to look at what is coming up from below.  Valaikia is projected as a 2b in future, Frazier is projected as a 3b in future.  There isn&#039;t a SS ready in the system and why waste money on a has been/never was FA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been a few to switch positions, most of them because it is toward the end of their career and it needed to be done.  But the biggest comparision would be Arod.  He went to a new team and switched positions because of Jeter and he was a gold glove winner.  Others who have switched include Biggio, Ripkin Jr, Bench, Griffey, and Ichiro. </p>
<p>I am not saying that you should move a GGW but really who is there to play short in the future?  Janish..NO, Valaikia&#8230;Probably not at short&#8230;Do you really want to go back into free agency and pick up someone like Gonzalez&#8230;No thanks.</p>
<p>My point is that they really need to look at what is coming up from below.  Valaikia is projected as a 2b in future, Frazier is projected as a 3b in future.  There isn&#8217;t a SS ready in the system and why waste money on a has been/never was FA.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/01/09/do-not-read-this-article/#comment-1379418</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 06:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up a Reds fan, having had season tickets since 1976. We gave those up a couple of years ago.  Like most Reds fans, I am depressed at the state of this team and this organization.  I&#039;m not going to be a typical Reds fan and harken back longingly to the days of the Big Red Machine, but I will say that it depresses me to see the depths to which this team has sunk in my lifetime.  We have become a laughingstock to MLB. I&#039;m tired of hearing that we&#039;re a small market and can&#039;t compete.  The Yankees buy what they want every year, but it hasn&#039;t brought them a championship in how many years? We, as fans, need to be told what the plan is, and then we need to see actual results! Even if the team is only improving incrementally, at least we can then see progress, and we will be more likely to support this team in their long-term goals.  But we haven&#039;t seen any substantial improvement for such a long period of time, that we&#039;re all getting tired of hearing about &quot;next year.&quot;

I believe that WJ can turn this team and this organization around, as he did in St. Louis; but not without a lot of support  both from fans, and especially ownership.  But if this orgnanization expects its fans to hang in there, then it&#039;s time to look in the mirror, and realize that this is not a second-tier town, and we don&#039;t deserve a second-tier team.  We already have that in the Bengals, but that&#039;s a comment for another time and place.

Please, front office, give us a reason to keep believing!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up a Reds fan, having had season tickets since 1976. We gave those up a couple of years ago.  Like most Reds fans, I am depressed at the state of this team and this organization.  I&#8217;m not going to be a typical Reds fan and harken back longingly to the days of the Big Red Machine, but I will say that it depresses me to see the depths to which this team has sunk in my lifetime.  We have become a laughingstock to MLB. I&#8217;m tired of hearing that we&#8217;re a small market and can&#8217;t compete.  The Yankees buy what they want every year, but it hasn&#8217;t brought them a championship in how many years? We, as fans, need to be told what the plan is, and then we need to see actual results! Even if the team is only improving incrementally, at least we can then see progress, and we will be more likely to support this team in their long-term goals.  But we haven&#8217;t seen any substantial improvement for such a long period of time, that we&#8217;re all getting tired of hearing about &#8220;next year.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe that WJ can turn this team and this organization around, as he did in St. Louis; but not without a lot of support  both from fans, and especially ownership.  But if this orgnanization expects its fans to hang in there, then it&#8217;s time to look in the mirror, and realize that this is not a second-tier town, and we don&#8217;t deserve a second-tier team.  We already have that in the Bengals, but that&#8217;s a comment for another time and place.</p>
<p>Please, front office, give us a reason to keep believing!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/01/09/do-not-read-this-article/#comment-1378900</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really wish they would go after Nady or possibly offer a nice deal for Rios like they were talking a year or so ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really wish they would go after Nady or possibly offer a nice deal for Rios like they were talking a year or so ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Phill</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/01/09/do-not-read-this-article/#comment-1378339</link>
		<dc:creator>Phill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bruble, how many of them are gold glovers at the position they are leaving?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bruble, how many of them are gold glovers at the position they are leaving?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/01/09/do-not-read-this-article/#comment-1378308</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He was all for it in Sep. 2006 when they were looking at letting him finish the year out there before he hurt his hand and they decided to put the trial at SS off.  Larkin was his idol and he had always wanted to be a SS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was all for it in Sep. 2006 when they were looking at letting him finish the year out there before he hurt his hand and they decided to put the trial at SS off.  Larkin was his idol and he had always wanted to be a SS.</p>
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		<title>By: brublejr</title>
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		<dc:creator>brublejr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he is against it, but I think if you want to be a leader or captain you lead by example and do what helps the team win.  There has been many players not want to move from their current position but do it anyways because it is better for the team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he is against it, but I think if you want to be a leader or captain you lead by example and do what helps the team win.  There has been many players not want to move from their current position but do it anyways because it is better for the team.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Steele</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/01/09/do-not-read-this-article/#comment-1377933</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 15:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>regarding the Dunn thing from comment #14

I honestly just believe that Dunn is making it difficult for the Nats to sign him because he doesn&#039;t want to play there.  He&#039;s probably asking a lot more from the Nationals but if a contender came calling, I bet he&#039;d take less


We all keep talking about moving Phillips to short.  Is there any interview with him anywhere that asks him if he would?  Maybe he really likes playing second and would fight a move to short.  Maybe the Reds brought up the idea to him before and he said he didn&#039;t want to? 

I have no idea if that&#039;s true but it would be interesting to hear what his thoughts on playing short would be</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>regarding the Dunn thing from comment #14</p>
<p>I honestly just believe that Dunn is making it difficult for the Nats to sign him because he doesn&#8217;t want to play there.  He&#8217;s probably asking a lot more from the Nationals but if a contender came calling, I bet he&#8217;d take less</p>
<p>We all keep talking about moving Phillips to short.  Is there any interview with him anywhere that asks him if he would?  Maybe he really likes playing second and would fight a move to short.  Maybe the Reds brought up the idea to him before and he said he didn&#8217;t want to? </p>
<p>I have no idea if that&#8217;s true but it would be interesting to hear what his thoughts on playing short would be</p>
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		<title>By: brublejr</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/01/09/do-not-read-this-article/#comment-1377630</link>
		<dc:creator>brublejr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing to add to my previous post, look at what the Rays did the last couple of years to get competitive.  It took them moving a IF to CF, their 3B to 2B to replace him with a Rookie at 3B.  They bought in a cheap, very good defender at SS, and had a nicely developed pitching staff who lowered their ERA largely to the defensive help by those position moves.  Bam, they go from laughing stock to the WS in one year.

Lastly,

Let&#039;s look at a couple of the last few FA signed and you see how much money was/is wasted.  Cordero 12 mil per, Taveras 3 mil per, Crappy 3 mil, and of course Gonzalez.  I don&#039;t buy a small market team paying a closer 12 mil, that is just downright crazy.  You have to have the lead to get him in the game and lesser expensive guys could do just as well.  Gonzalez&#039;s contract was a laughing stock when it was signed and looks even worse now.  Crappy was rediculous and Taveras is as well.

I am more willing to watch my team losing if they are developing for the future so I can see a light at the end of the tunnel.  I can&#039;t stand watching &quot;veterans&quot; blocking development of younger, cheaper talent to have a false hope of contention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing to add to my previous post, look at what the Rays did the last couple of years to get competitive.  It took them moving a IF to CF, their 3B to 2B to replace him with a Rookie at 3B.  They bought in a cheap, very good defender at SS, and had a nicely developed pitching staff who lowered their ERA largely to the defensive help by those position moves.  Bam, they go from laughing stock to the WS in one year.</p>
<p>Lastly,</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at a couple of the last few FA signed and you see how much money was/is wasted.  Cordero 12 mil per, Taveras 3 mil per, Crappy 3 mil, and of course Gonzalez.  I don&#8217;t buy a small market team paying a closer 12 mil, that is just downright crazy.  You have to have the lead to get him in the game and lesser expensive guys could do just as well.  Gonzalez&#8217;s contract was a laughing stock when it was signed and looks even worse now.  Crappy was rediculous and Taveras is as well.</p>
<p>I am more willing to watch my team losing if they are developing for the future so I can see a light at the end of the tunnel.  I can&#8217;t stand watching &#8220;veterans&#8221; blocking development of younger, cheaper talent to have a false hope of contention.</p>
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		<title>By: brublejr</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/01/09/do-not-read-this-article/#comment-1377609</link>
		<dc:creator>brublejr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,  I agree, I don&#039;t see Phillips as a franchise type player.  He is a nice player that would be good in about the 6th spot in the lineup protecting a guy like Bruce, but if he is your 4 hitter your in trouble.  

World, I agree with your moves for the most part, but only if Crede is healthy otherwise you have Kepp in a power hitters position and that&#039;s not good.  

If the Reds plans are to be better defensively in the middle, they should move Phillips to SS and sign Grudzeilanek to play 2B until Valikia or somebody from the minors is ready in a year or two.  I don&#039;t buy being better in the middle with Gonzalez coming back.  He is coming off serious injury and his range will probably be no better than Hairston or Keppinger which is not good.  This fanchise has been very shortsighted and I don&#039;t think they even look at what they have coming up because they could have saved a lot of wasted money.

With some of the quality guys in the minors you could easily move Phillips to short, and move EE to LF to get ready for Valaikia at 2B and either Frazier or Fransico at 3B in &#039;10.  How good potentially (I know I hate that word too) could the infield be in &#039;10...Votto, Valaikia, Phillips, Fransisco...With OF of EE, Stubbs, and Bruce, then on the bench you have Frazier, Dickerson, and Dorn.  If you moved EE to LF this year, you could determine if he could handle it, if not trade him to a team like SF and you still have Dickerson or Dorn to play in the OF.  That lineup looks far more pomising than we are going to see this year and probably the year after because management won&#039;t see things correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,  I agree, I don&#8217;t see Phillips as a franchise type player.  He is a nice player that would be good in about the 6th spot in the lineup protecting a guy like Bruce, but if he is your 4 hitter your in trouble.  </p>
<p>World, I agree with your moves for the most part, but only if Crede is healthy otherwise you have Kepp in a power hitters position and that&#8217;s not good.  </p>
<p>If the Reds plans are to be better defensively in the middle, they should move Phillips to SS and sign Grudzeilanek to play 2B until Valikia or somebody from the minors is ready in a year or two.  I don&#8217;t buy being better in the middle with Gonzalez coming back.  He is coming off serious injury and his range will probably be no better than Hairston or Keppinger which is not good.  This fanchise has been very shortsighted and I don&#8217;t think they even look at what they have coming up because they could have saved a lot of wasted money.</p>
<p>With some of the quality guys in the minors you could easily move Phillips to short, and move EE to LF to get ready for Valaikia at 2B and either Frazier or Fransico at 3B in &#8216;10.  How good potentially (I know I hate that word too) could the infield be in &#8216;10&#8230;Votto, Valaikia, Phillips, Fransisco&#8230;With OF of EE, Stubbs, and Bruce, then on the bench you have Frazier, Dickerson, and Dorn.  If you moved EE to LF this year, you could determine if he could handle it, if not trade him to a team like SF and you still have Dickerson or Dorn to play in the OF.  That lineup looks far more pomising than we are going to see this year and probably the year after because management won&#8217;t see things correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im depressed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im depressed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Hurricane</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/01/09/do-not-read-this-article/#comment-1377119</link>
		<dc:creator>The Hurricane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 04:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not a Reds fan, but I really sympathize with you guys.  The Taveras signing is definitely not going to optimize your ability to score runs.  If I was GM, and that is a big &quot;if, I would be giving Dickerson a long look.  I think he has what it takes to lead off and get on base enough to give Bruce and Votto the chance to knock in some runs.  One of the other posts mentioned signing Joe Crede.  I wouldn&#039;t do that in a million years.  His career OBP is under .310 and he&#039;s never gotten on base at more than a .323 clip.  He is also not that healthy and he plays a position where you should actually have a solid bat.  His is far from plus.  

I think your ideal lineup would be something like this (try not to cry):

Dickerson
Encarnacion
Bruce
Votto
Phillips 
Keppinger 
Taveras--if he all of a sudden starts taking walks and getting on base, then maybe you could hit him leadoff, but who really sees that happening?
Hernandez</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a Reds fan, but I really sympathize with you guys.  The Taveras signing is definitely not going to optimize your ability to score runs.  If I was GM, and that is a big &#8220;if, I would be giving Dickerson a long look.  I think he has what it takes to lead off and get on base enough to give Bruce and Votto the chance to knock in some runs.  One of the other posts mentioned signing Joe Crede.  I wouldn&#8217;t do that in a million years.  His career OBP is under .310 and he&#8217;s never gotten on base at more than a .323 clip.  He is also not that healthy and he plays a position where you should actually have a solid bat.  His is far from plus.  </p>
<p>I think your ideal lineup would be something like this (try not to cry):</p>
<p>Dickerson<br />
Encarnacion<br />
Bruce<br />
Votto<br />
Phillips<br />
Keppinger<br />
Taveras&#8211;if he all of a sudden starts taking walks and getting on base, then maybe you could hit him leadoff, but who really sees that happening?<br />
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		<title>By: CeeKeR</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2009/01/09/do-not-read-this-article/#comment-1376967</link>
		<dc:creator>CeeKeR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 02:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Just because he talks more than Krivsky doesn’t mean he’s actually saying anything.&quot;

Pinson343, that&#039;s entirely true.  I hope that there is some secret plan to make the Reds better than they currently appear to be.  I want to watch the Reds play meaningful ball at least through August, that seems like a fair goal (and a sign of how far this team has sunk in the past decade or so).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just because he talks more than Krivsky doesn’t mean he’s actually saying anything.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pinson343, that&#8217;s entirely true.  I hope that there is some secret plan to make the Reds better than they currently appear to be.  I want to watch the Reds play meaningful ball at least through August, that seems like a fair goal (and a sign of how far this team has sunk in the past decade or so).</p>
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