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		<title>By: World</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2008/09/09/game-thread-brewers-again/#comment-1169510</link>
		<dc:creator>World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike-

Sorry.  Got into the Paisano vino last night and took out my frustrations on you.  I&#039;m only a Reds fan because I am connected with the intercircle of MLB through work, friendships, fantasy camps, that kind of thing.  I&#039;m actually a Phillies fan from birth and that&#039;s a whole lot of failure right there.

But excusez-moi for my angst last evening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike-</p>
<p>Sorry.  Got into the Paisano vino last night and took out my frustrations on you.  I&#8217;m only a Reds fan because I am connected with the intercircle of MLB through work, friendships, fantasy camps, that kind of thing.  I&#8217;m actually a Phillies fan from birth and that&#8217;s a whole lot of failure right there.</p>
<p>But excusez-moi for my angst last evening.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt Frost</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2008/09/09/game-thread-brewers-again/#comment-1169416</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt Frost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was laying in bed halfway asleep and I thought I was dreaming when Baker pinch hit Hairston for Castillo.  Castillo was 6-7 over the last two days and Hairston hadn&#039;t played for a month.  Baker truly is whacko.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was laying in bed halfway asleep and I thought I was dreaming when Baker pinch hit Hairston for Castillo.  Castillo was 6-7 over the last two days and Hairston hadn&#8217;t played for a month.  Baker truly is whacko.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Martz</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2008/09/09/game-thread-brewers-again/#comment-1169346</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Martz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phillips out for the season with a broken finger he recieved on his bunt attempt!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillips out for the season with a broken finger he recieved on his bunt attempt!</p>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2008/09/09/game-thread-brewers-again/#comment-1169283</link>
		<dc:creator>doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 06:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a quote from Dusty Baker after tonights game when asked about when he is going to play some young guys:

&quot;I&#039;ll use them in spots and try to get them a start if I can,&quot; Baker said. &quot;But for the integrity of the races and the team, you have to go with your best lineup.&quot;

He says this, yet &lt;strong&gt;he started COREY FREAKING PATTERSON for the 100th plus time this season&lt;/strong&gt;. Everytime he talks and I think about what he just said, I wish I could bash my skull in with a hammer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a quote from Dusty Baker after tonights game when asked about when he is going to play some young guys:</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;ll use them in spots and try to get them a start if I can,&#8221; Baker said. &#8220;But for the integrity of the races and the team, you have to go with your best lineup.&#8221;</p>
<p>He says this, yet <strong>he started COREY FREAKING PATTERSON for the 100th plus time this season</strong>. Everytime he talks and I think about what he just said, I wish I could bash my skull in with a hammer.</p>
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		<title>By: pinson343</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2008/09/09/game-thread-brewers-again/#comment-1169239</link>
		<dc:creator>pinson343</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mhopp, I agree with your statement that the problem is Dusty not CP. CP is just doing what he&#039;s told, and I think he consistently goes all out, you can see that in his play in CF (in fact he is a good CF) and his overaggressive (dumb) baserunning. If anything he tries too hard, he lost his confidence somewhere along the way. It&#039;s Dusty job to help the Reds, not Corey, he seems confused about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mhopp, I agree with your statement that the problem is Dusty not CP. CP is just doing what he&#8217;s told, and I think he consistently goes all out, you can see that in his play in CF (in fact he is a good CF) and his overaggressive (dumb) baserunning. If anything he tries too hard, he lost his confidence somewhere along the way. It&#8217;s Dusty job to help the Reds, not Corey, he seems confused about that.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2008/09/09/game-thread-brewers-again/#comment-1169230</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Mike- You couldn’t carry Herm Winninghams’s jock. He’s my buddy.&lt;/em&gt;

 you know what, this is absolutly 100% correct. Sure I run 6+ miles twice a week but I smoke and smoke to much weed to be a professional athlete. Plus I was a terrible hitter in high school, right around Patterson&#039;s level. I can&#039;t hold his jock. 

That&#039;s not the point. 

and his jock probably stinks

I&#039;m glad your friends with a mediocre to bad major league hitter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Mike- You couldn’t carry Herm Winninghams’s jock. He’s my buddy.</em></p>
<p> you know what, this is absolutly 100% correct. Sure I run 6+ miles twice a week but I smoke and smoke to much weed to be a professional athlete. Plus I was a terrible hitter in high school, right around Patterson&#8217;s level. I can&#8217;t hold his jock. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not the point. </p>
<p>and his jock probably stinks</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad your friends with a mediocre to bad major league hitter</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2008/09/09/game-thread-brewers-again/#comment-1169229</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The rumors that Dunn didn’t want to play 1B were apparently false. &lt;/em&gt;

 Dunn said this in an interview after the trade and added that he &quot;took groundballs at 1B EVERY DAY&quot;

 Imagine for a second we trade Jr and not Dunn and move him to 1B and Votto to RF. We move Phillips to SS and Keppinger to 2B  Bruce to RF and Dickerson to CF. We get Phillips a long ways away fromt the 3rd or 4th spot in the lineup and we don&#039;t carry 3 catchers and keep Ross. 

we improve the defense and we have something like

Dickerson
Bruce
Dunn
Votto (I don&#039;t give a rats ass about 3 lefties in a row) 
EE
Phillips
Ross
some SS I don&#039;t care who</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The rumors that Dunn didn’t want to play 1B were apparently false. </em></p>
<p> Dunn said this in an interview after the trade and added that he &#8220;took groundballs at 1B EVERY DAY&#8221;</p>
<p> Imagine for a second we trade Jr and not Dunn and move him to 1B and Votto to RF. We move Phillips to SS and Keppinger to 2B  Bruce to RF and Dickerson to CF. We get Phillips a long ways away fromt the 3rd or 4th spot in the lineup and we don&#8217;t carry 3 catchers and keep Ross. </p>
<p>we improve the defense and we have something like</p>
<p>Dickerson<br />
Bruce<br />
Dunn<br />
Votto (I don&#8217;t give a rats ass about 3 lefties in a row)<br />
EE<br />
Phillips<br />
Ross<br />
some SS I don&#8217;t care who</p>
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		<title>By: mhopp</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2008/09/09/game-thread-brewers-again/#comment-1169224</link>
		<dc:creator>mhopp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually you must blame the manager more than Patterson...he&#039;s getting a little older and not getting any better, he can&#039;t help that. What can be helped is the STUPID MANAGER who put him at lead off. Corey Patterson can only do so much with what he&#039;s been told. By the way, I&#039;d rather see Bronson Arroyo lead off than Patterson. It&#039;s just more of a testament to how Dusty Baker needs some Psychiatric help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually you must blame the manager more than Patterson&#8230;he&#8217;s getting a little older and not getting any better, he can&#8217;t help that. What can be helped is the STUPID MANAGER who put him at lead off. Corey Patterson can only do so much with what he&#8217;s been told. By the way, I&#8217;d rather see Bronson Arroyo lead off than Patterson. It&#8217;s just more of a testament to how Dusty Baker needs some Psychiatric help.</p>
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		<title>By: pinson343</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2008/09/09/game-thread-brewers-again/#comment-1169220</link>
		<dc:creator>pinson343</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS Mike, my comment wasn&#039;t in response to yours. I hadn&#039;t seen yours when posting mine. Yes CP sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS Mike, my comment wasn&#8217;t in response to yours. I hadn&#8217;t seen yours when posting mine. Yes CP sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: mhopp</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2008/09/09/game-thread-brewers-again/#comment-1169219</link>
		<dc:creator>mhopp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Reds will take 2 of 3 from Cubs and same from the Brewers? Amazing what bringing up some youth will do. Too bad Ramirez doesn&#039;t get the win...Great game...even with Crappy P. and Crusty B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Reds will take 2 of 3 from Cubs and same from the Brewers? Amazing what bringing up some youth will do. Too bad Ramirez doesn&#8217;t get the win&#8230;Great game&#8230;even with Crappy P. and Crusty B.</p>
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		<title>By: pinson343</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2008/09/09/game-thread-brewers-again/#comment-1169218</link>
		<dc:creator>pinson343</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, CP&#039;s a hero and Coco closes it out. I notice that Coco doesn&#039;t screw up against the Brewers. Let&#039;s not lament CP being in the lineup for the rest of the season, let&#039;s enjoy the win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, CP&#8217;s a hero and Coco closes it out. I notice that Coco doesn&#8217;t screw up against the Brewers. Let&#8217;s not lament CP being in the lineup for the rest of the season, let&#8217;s enjoy the win.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2008/09/09/game-thread-brewers-again/#comment-1169216</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Corey Patterson watch: 0-3, .202 average so far tonight. &lt;/em&gt;

 I don&#039;t care much about batting average. (note: has any player ever hit under .225 and had a good season, I&#039;ll look that up in a minute). 
 
 But most know how old the Reds are...over 100 years! And most know that getting on base for a leadoff hitter is important and that getting on base (or not getting OUT) is more important than a hit/avg. In over 100 years of Reds baseball here are the worst OBP vs league average for players with over 325 PA. 

OBA                           YEAR     DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE    RCAA    
1    Bill Bergen              1901    -.131     .199     .331      -36   
2    Bill Bergen              1902    -.107     .214     .322      -34   
3    Corey Patterson          2008    -.100     .239     .338      -27   
4    Hod Ford                 1930    -.098     .272     .370      -40   
5    Virgil Stallcup          1951    -.090     .251     .341      -28   
6    Virgil Stallcup          1948    -.090     .253     .343      -46   
7    Wally Gilbert            1932    -.085     .252     .337      -34   
8    Bob Usher                1951    -.085     .257     .341      -26   
9    Bo Diaz                  1988    -.084     .236     .320      -24   
10   Leo Durocher             1930    -.083     .287     .370      -28   

Patterson is one of the worst Reds at getting on base in over 100 years!?!?!?

Oh the Reds have had plenty of players put in a season of 325+ PA and bat under .210 (oh only 18, oops, PATTERSON SUCKS http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/qFVT )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Corey Patterson watch: 0-3, .202 average so far tonight. </em></p>
<p> I don&#8217;t care much about batting average. (note: has any player ever hit under .225 and had a good season, I&#8217;ll look that up in a minute). </p>
<p> But most know how old the Reds are&#8230;over 100 years! And most know that getting on base for a leadoff hitter is important and that getting on base (or not getting OUT) is more important than a hit/avg. In over 100 years of Reds baseball here are the worst OBP vs league average for players with over 325 PA. </p>
<p>OBA                           YEAR     DIFF   PLAYER   LEAGUE    RCAA<br />
1    Bill Bergen              1901    -.131     .199     .331      -36<br />
2    Bill Bergen              1902    -.107     .214     .322      -34<br />
3    Corey Patterson          2008    -.100     .239     .338      -27<br />
4    Hod Ford                 1930    -.098     .272     .370      -40<br />
5    Virgil Stallcup          1951    -.090     .251     .341      -28<br />
6    Virgil Stallcup          1948    -.090     .253     .343      -46<br />
7    Wally Gilbert            1932    -.085     .252     .337      -34<br />
8    Bob Usher                1951    -.085     .257     .341      -26<br />
9    Bo Diaz                  1988    -.084     .236     .320      -24<br />
10   Leo Durocher             1930    -.083     .287     .370      -28   </p>
<p>Patterson is one of the worst Reds at getting on base in over 100 years!?!?!?</p>
<p>Oh the Reds have had plenty of players put in a season of 325+ PA and bat under .210 (oh only 18, oops, PATTERSON SUCKS <a href="http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/qFVT" rel="nofollow">http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/qFVT</a> )</p>
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		<title>By: pinson343</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2008/09/09/game-thread-brewers-again/#comment-1169214</link>
		<dc:creator>pinson343</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the Dunn comment: seems like Dunn to 1B and Votto to LF might have been a good move. The rumors that Dunn didn&#039;t want to play 1B were apparently false.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the Dunn comment: seems like Dunn to 1B and Votto to LF might have been a good move. The rumors that Dunn didn&#8217;t want to play 1B were apparently false.</p>
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		<title>By: pinson343</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2008/09/09/game-thread-brewers-again/#comment-1169213</link>
		<dc:creator>pinson343</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew Philipps wouldn&#039;t like the IBB to Votto, even though it made sense. Thought he might come thru.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew Philipps wouldn&#8217;t like the IBB to Votto, even though it made sense. Thought he might come thru.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://redlegnation.com/2008/09/09/game-thread-brewers-again/#comment-1169212</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 04:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey one good thing for the Reds their 1B Adam Dunn looks really good there. 

oh, wrong team</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey one good thing for the Reds their 1B Adam Dunn looks really good there. </p>
<p>oh, wrong team</p>
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